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What Does It Take to Fossilize a Brain?
ICR ^ | March 11, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 03/11/2009 8:50:55 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

What Does It Take to Fossilize a Brain?

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Scientists have accidently discovered a rare and perhaps unique fossilized brain of an iniopterygian, an extinct kind of ratfish or chimaera that supposedly lived 300 million years ago. When the researchers scanned the fossilized skull of the iniopterygian with advanced imaging techniques at the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, nobody expected to see a brain.1 British naturalist Charles Darwin predicted that “no organism wholly soft can be preserved.”2 Yet here was fossilized soft tissue. How could this be?

One hypothesis is that the environment in which the fish died was very rich in certain compounds. The skull portion of the fossil is “almost pure calcium carbonate,” and the fossilized brain is mostly calcium phosphate. The researchers surmised that this difference arose from the acidity of the brain tissues, which were more attractive to the dissolved calcium phosphate than to the calcium carbonate from the surrounding environment. In addition, there must have been a “lack of oxygen,” because oxygen readily reacts with delicate soft tissues and quickly disintegrates them. However, this fossil brain did not disintegrate. The scanned images revealed specific brain features: “the cerebellum, spinal cords or optic lobes and tracts, among others.”3

Even with the lack of oxygen, how did calcium carbonate and calcium phosphate replace the bone and brain tissues? The chemicals, dissolved in water, were transported across gaps and pores in the fish. It is possible that the chemical content of the water could have changed rapidly during the time that the different parts of the fish were decaying. Such fast-moving and chemical content-changing water is consistent with cataclysmic flood models based on the biblical account of the Flood.

The fish would have been rapidly buried by a mineral-laden soup and covered with tons of overburden (material that severely warped this specimen and flattened most others within its rock stratum), perhaps within hours. The initial phases of the global Flood very likely sealed off the fish remains from atmospheric oxygen, helping to preserve the extremely soft brain tissues. A similar scenario would have also fossilized jellyfish, which are soft-bodied animals made of 96 percent water and which decay on the beach in mere hours. Darwin would undoubtedly be surprised to learn that such fossils have been discovered in Wisconsin and elsewhere.4

Since the Bible’s historical data is usually ignored in most scientific investigations, it comes as no surprise that this recent discovery “all happened by chance.”3 The researchers would not expect to find fossilized soft brain tissues if today’s slow processes were all that was at work in the past. However, given the catastrophic formation indicated by most of earth’s geologic structures and the massive extermination of life represented in the fossil record—as well as the preservation of soft tissue from creatures supposedly millions of years old—the biblical Flood is a valid and relevant interpretive key to earth’s past. It can be expected that more soft tissue fossils, including brains and perhaps visceral organs, will be found.

References

  1. Pradel, A. et al. 2009. Skull and brain of a 300-million-year-old chimaeroid fish revealed by synchrotron holotomography. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Published online before print March 9, 2009.
  2. Darwin, C. R. 1859. The Origin of Species. Middlesex, England: Penguin Classics, 298.
  3. Scientists discover the first fossil brain. European Synchrotron Radiation Facility press release, March 3, 2009.
  4. Hagadorn, J. W., R. H. Dott, and D. Damrow. 2002. Stranded on a Late Cambrian shoreline: Medusae from central Wisconsin, Geology. 30 (2):147-150.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; ratfish

1 posted on 03/11/2009 8:50:55 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

20 years in the US Senate


2 posted on 03/11/2009 8:51:30 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

3 posted on 03/11/2009 8:51:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Islander7

MSM


4 posted on 03/11/2009 8:52:12 AM PDT by Califreak (1/20/13-Sunrise in America)
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To: GodGunsGuts

What Does It Take to Fossilize a Brain?

Making a decision to vote or support Borat Hussein Fauxbama.


5 posted on 03/11/2009 8:52:16 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ask Teddy Kennedy or Robert Byrd ...


6 posted on 03/11/2009 8:52:23 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: GodGunsGuts

Become a liberal, get instant fossilization for free.


7 posted on 03/11/2009 8:53:26 AM PDT by Tarpon (It's a common fact, one can't be liberal and rational at the same time.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Just one look.......


8 posted on 03/11/2009 8:53:53 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Communist China is doing more to foster capitalism in their country than our politicians are doing.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
What Does It Take to Fossilize a Brain?

Spamming the same guff over and over seems to have done the trick for you.

9 posted on 03/11/2009 8:54:08 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It takes four year to pickel it with booze in College.


10 posted on 03/11/2009 8:54:19 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama voters, your 401 K's are dead. Now what?)
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To: mgc1122

The question is about fossilization, not pickling...


11 posted on 03/11/2009 8:55:01 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 50 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Islander7
20 years in the US Senate

Or 20 minutes watching Doprah.

12 posted on 03/11/2009 8:56:54 AM PDT by Lizavetta (Politicians: When they're not lying, they're stealing.)
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To: Islander7
Honestly, I thought this was going to be a political thread ~ Obama and Byrd came to mind ~ one a relatively young man with a totally fossilized old Bolshevik brain, and the other simply hardened up.

Haven't seen a single NEW IDEA from any of the Democrats in a long time. Fossil brains all around!

13 posted on 03/11/2009 8:58:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts

3 hours of listining to MSNBC with no break or 4 hrs. of CNN. Or 20 minute of Obama.


14 posted on 03/11/2009 8:59:36 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I always wondered if fish think “What’s for dinner? Dammit fish again.”


15 posted on 03/11/2009 9:00:31 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

3 years of High School.


16 posted on 03/11/2009 9:04:17 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


17 posted on 03/11/2009 9:06:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
It will be interesting to see if old-earth advocates are willing to adjust their understanding for how the sediments containing this fossil formed in the light of this evidence. Soft-tissue fossilization is fascinating and definitely involves some unusual circumstances, even more so than the abnormal sedimentary circumstances required for ordinary fossilization.

On the biblical side, we also need to incorporate this evidence in our modeling for the formation of this sedimentary strata (more so than the brief comments in this article, though they are a start). It is helpful to have some insight into an uncommon environment for this fish fossil that was not present on a more general scale during the Cataclysm.

18 posted on 03/11/2009 9:10:08 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If they are truly looking for an answer, all they have to do is examine the brain of any liberal in this country.


19 posted on 03/11/2009 9:17:46 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: Liberty1970

==On the biblical side, we also need to incorporate this evidence in our modeling for the formation of this sedimentary strata

You are quite right. I will write to the author and see if any such research/modeling of this type is underway.

All the best—GGG


20 posted on 03/11/2009 9:19:25 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here are several recent examples. The city inhabited by these creatures contains THOUSANDS more:

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21 posted on 03/11/2009 9:25:43 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: GodGunsGuts
It's interesting that they were able to see this detail with a scanner. I remember how, when I first came to my current manufacturing plant, I told my job mentor (an evolutionist) about my fossil collecting hobby. He had me bring some mucrospirifers (a type of mollusc) in and we tried X-raying them in our lab. (We have a very nice, high-magnification X-ray). We weren't able to see anything interesting, but it was a nice try... maybe we should have kept at it!
22 posted on 03/11/2009 9:34:31 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

so much to - the world exists since 500 years.

In the original literature the theory is, that a certain type of bacteria supported the mineralization of the brain.

Now there’s a theory that ‘the flood’ was the reason the brain mineralized as Ca3(PO4)2 - beacause - it really happened - lmfao.

Seems like somebody took a random piece of research and inserted ‘the flood’ into it.


23 posted on 03/11/2009 9:38:41 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: steve-b

[[Spamming the same guff over and over seems to have done the trick for you.]]

Are you EVER goign to discuss ANY of the science GGG posts? Or are you simply goign to keep posting childish insults and whining about ‘spamming’ while ignoring hte science and spamming yourself?


24 posted on 03/11/2009 9:40:18 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Oh, you like comics too? What a coincidence!

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25 posted on 03/11/2009 9:42:10 AM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: Liberty1970

[[It will be interesting to see if old-earth advocates are willing to adjust their understanding for how the sediments containing this fossil formed in the light of this evidence.]]

Nah- they’re just goign to keep ignoring the issues while attackign hte messenger, and pretending they are ‘defeating’ the message. Sad but true.


26 posted on 03/11/2009 9:42:56 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Boxen

Both begin with a conclusion. Darwinistic Materialism assumes purely naturalistic causes to explain the unobservable, unrepeatable past. Creation Science assumes that Genesis is a true historical account of the unobservable, unrepeatable past. The question is, which approach explains the remnants of the past better. To my mind, Creation Science is the far better explanation.


27 posted on 03/11/2009 9:49:51 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
A couple additional interesting articles:

Scientists Get Rare Look at Dinosaur Soft Tissue

Fossilization of Soft Tissue in the Laboratory

28 posted on 03/11/2009 10:01:33 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

There are reasonable assumptions and there are unreasonable assumptions. Naturalism (I’m not certain what you mean by “Darwinistic Materialism”) is a reasonable assumption. That a certain creation myth must be the true account of the origins of man, life, and the universe is an unreasonable assumption.


29 posted on 03/11/2009 10:42:50 AM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

What’s more, science does not seek to prove or show evidence that naturalism is correct or true. Whereas christian creationism begins with it’s own conclusion, that a certain ancient creation myth is true, which it then it seeks to prove.


30 posted on 03/11/2009 10:51:57 AM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

40 something years, unspecified amounts of cocaine, low-tar KOOLs, and wifey Michelle?


31 posted on 03/11/2009 10:53:39 AM PDT by MortMan (Power without responsibility-the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages. - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: CottShop
[[Spamming the same guff over and over seems to have done the trick for you.]]

Are you EVER goign to discuss ANY of the science GGG posts? Or are you simply goign to keep posting childish insults and whining about ‘spamming’ while ignoring hte science and spamming yourself?

When GGG actually posts science, then it would be of interest to discuss it. Until then, it is best to ignore such cretards. There is no point in discussing with someone who doesn't even know the subject.

32 posted on 03/11/2009 11:03:05 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Islander7

That long, eh?


33 posted on 03/11/2009 1:24:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Boxen

*Here’s the conclusion. What facts can we find to support it?*

Sounds like evos starting with Darwin’s Origin of the Species. He comes up with the theory and people spend decades trying to find evidence to support it. And when they can’t they even try to fake it.

Sad.....


34 posted on 03/11/2009 1:27:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Boxen
Naturalism (I’m not certain what you mean by “Darwinistic Materialism”) is a reasonable assumption. That a certain creation myth must be the true account of the origins of man, life, and the universe is an unreasonable assumption.

Why? For both claims.

Why is naturalism a reasonable assumption when there's simply no precedent for order, complexity, or life arising without an intelligence source?

Why is unreasonable to assume that order, complexity, and life have a intelligent source?

35 posted on 03/11/2009 1:32:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: doc30
When GGG actually posts science, then it would be of interest to discuss it. Until then, it is best to ignore such cretards. There is no point in discussing with someone who doesn't even know the subject.

Then why did you post here?

If you think the threads lack science, contribute some. Explain the fossilized brain.

36 posted on 03/11/2009 1:34:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
If you think the threads lack science, contribute some. Explain the fossilized brain.

Pearls before swine? Dog training is easier than teaching the like of you and the other cretards science. At least dogs can be motivated to learn.

37 posted on 03/11/2009 1:49:14 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

What a cop out as well. Just so you don’t have to answer a question you can’t.

Figures....


38 posted on 03/11/2009 2:01:30 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

39 posted on 03/11/2009 2:03:32 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: TruthWillWin

Was that an example of Natural Selection?


40 posted on 03/11/2009 2:08:22 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Just a tool to speed Fossilization of a brain.


41 posted on 03/11/2009 2:10:45 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: TruthWillWin
{ 8^)
42 posted on 03/11/2009 2:17:42 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: doc30

[[When GGG actually posts science, then it would be of interest to discuss it. Until then, it is best to ignore such cretards.]]

Excellent rebutal to the science- well done

[[There is no point in discussing with someone who doesn’t even know the subject.]]

How owuld you know? You’re so obsessed with just calling the messenger a creatard that you haven’t even bothered discussing hte actual issues


43 posted on 03/11/2009 7:43:30 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: metmom

To Doc: [[If you think the threads lack science, contribute some. Explain the fossilized brain.]]

He won’t- He and Steve.b NEVER bother- apparently calling people names amounts to a ‘defense of Evolution’ in their minds


44 posted on 03/11/2009 7:45:22 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

There are a number of evos whose sole contribution to the crevo threads is merely mocking and ridiculing anyone who takes anything but the hardline naturalistic, no-God evolution position.

They never contribute ANYTHING positive or in support of evolution; they merely pop out from under their rocks, take a few cheap potshots at creationists, and crawl back. Their only contribution is insults and then they whine about how the crevo threads never actually discuss science. Well, no kidding.

People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.


45 posted on 03/11/2009 7:54:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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