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Official: US ship in scrape now has armed escort
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | March 12, 2009 | ANNE GEARAN

Posted on 03/12/2009 12:26:44 PM PDT by Jeff Head

WASHINGTON — The Navy has assigned a heavily armed destroyer to escort the U.S. surveillance ship that got into a high-seas confrontation with Chinese ships last weekend.

A defense official says the Pearl Harbor-based destroyer Chung-Hoon is keeping a close eye on the unarmed sub-hunting ship Impeccable as it continues operations in the South China Sea. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to describe sensitive ship movements.

The official says the escort ship joined the Impeccable on Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chicomms; plan; prc; tm; usnavy
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To: al baby
Who goes out and picks up the spent casings?

More importantly ... Does Hornady make dies for 5" 62 cal?

51 posted on 03/12/2009 12:46:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

I know, I asked for it


52 posted on 03/12/2009 12:46:32 PM PDT by GeronL (....and I won't let it happen again!)
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To: Star Traveler
I believe in getting right to the point and demonstrating overwhelming, unapproachable force to begin with.

The Chinese are not capable of contending with an entire carrier strike group on short notice in a situation like this.

It can be argued, that with one DDG, we are increasing the chance that they would respond...because they can.

But that's just my opinion and thoughts.

53 posted on 03/12/2009 12:46:41 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: al baby

ready to turn them Chinese into BRD!


54 posted on 03/12/2009 12:47:06 PM PDT by GeronL (....and I won't let it happen again!)
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To: Jeff Head
"It is operated by the Military Sea-lift Command (MSC) and is manned principally by civilians.

Although, they're technically civilians, I would wager that a good percentage are either prior-service or fully retired military.

I have very mixed feelings about the move throughout the '90's and well into this century to place civilians in billets that were previously handled by military personnel. I understand the cost saving nature of such policies, but I wonder if we don't lose effectiveness and overall competency in mission capabilities.

55 posted on 03/12/2009 12:47:37 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Jeff Head

Now, how do we know this whole debacle wasn’t set up to make zero look tough in handling the ChiComs? They have the damn Secretary of State in their pocket why would they instigate anything?


56 posted on 03/12/2009 12:47:45 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Dixiekraut

their minds don’t work right, huh?

shouldn’t they be protesting this as an escalation?


57 posted on 03/12/2009 12:48:05 PM PDT by GeronL (....and I won't let it happen again!)
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To: al baby

Why ?? You reload ???


58 posted on 03/12/2009 12:48:34 PM PDT by UPcrawfish
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To: stuartcr
Oh, the carrier would stand well off, and only a single DDG would be anywhere close...and still far enough away for the Impeccable to Charlie Mike.

But a LOT of help would be close at hand that could easily overpower anything the PLAN could sortie.

A single DDG alone could be overwhelmed with what the PLAN has in the area.

They would be foolish to do so...but why even take the chance when you can punctuate your insistance that free passage will be maintained with maximum force if necessary.

59 posted on 03/12/2009 12:49:24 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: UPcrawfish

no recycle its bad out here


60 posted on 03/12/2009 12:50:22 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: ArrogantBustard

We both hope and pray that does not happen...but that would be entirely dependent on the PLAN.


61 posted on 03/12/2009 12:50:31 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: peace with honor

You like that one il be here all week


62 posted on 03/12/2009 12:50:57 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Big_Monkey

Agreed 100%.


63 posted on 03/12/2009 12:53:04 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

I personally believe that large submarines can be easily detected by satellites regardless if they are under power or not.


64 posted on 03/12/2009 12:55:41 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: GeronL

An escalation?

Some did make negative comments...others wanted “The One” to show a little muscle in the face of provocation.

They don’t all march in lockstep over there..unless they’re reveling in BSD ( Bush Derangement Syndrome )..then its pretty much unanimous.


65 posted on 03/12/2009 12:56:19 PM PDT by Dixiekraut (( Rommell...you magnificent bastard . I READ YOUR BOOK !!! ))
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To: Jeff Head

more here.

http://www.msc.navy.mil/PM2/


66 posted on 03/12/2009 12:57:19 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Jeff Head
It can be argued, that with one DDG, we are increasing the chance that they would respond...because they can.

Maybe that is the idea, like Japan in the 30's. Provoke something, poop hits the fan. Treasuries are registered ... BOOM ... 1 trillion dollars debt repudiated against enemy nation.

Not likely, barely possible, but not impossible.

67 posted on 03/12/2009 1:00:54 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: Jeff Head

I thought I remembered correctly on this. Are we sniffing around THIS?!!?
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/192573.php


68 posted on 03/12/2009 1:02:40 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Fump!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

There was another Admiral of Chinese descent who served well, Willis Augustus Lee. One of the first admirals to properly use radar with deadly effect during surface engagements, notably around Guadalcanal.


69 posted on 03/12/2009 1:03:12 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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To: Jeff Head

Not really. By design, they are to operate by themselves, well away from surface traffic.


70 posted on 03/12/2009 1:03:41 PM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: stuartcr

“all that noise would make it extremely difficult to find subs.”

Nope, we are the best in the world at prosecuting submarines. We have been training and continuously learning that warfare area since before WWI.


71 posted on 03/12/2009 1:04:04 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: Jeff Head

Yeah, I understand what you mean. And yes, some would like to “increment” while others want to show full force.

But, I would keep in mind, if you’re showing full force, right off the bat, you’re also taking significant resources away from other things that may be just as necessary. And you might not “really” need all that force, in that a minor “increment” may be enough to “get the message across”. And thus, you will have saved yourself considerable force being moved from other areas that you need it in, too...

So, that may be part of an “on-going and overall strategy” that the military uses...

Just a thought of mine... :-)


72 posted on 03/12/2009 1:05:16 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Jeff Head

Is that the new 5”/62cal?


73 posted on 03/12/2009 1:05:49 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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To: GeronL

It means “Come and take it.”


74 posted on 03/12/2009 1:06:19 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: randomhero97
Now, how do we know this whole debacle wasn’t set up to make zero look tough in handling the ChiComs?

As opposed to millions of Americans purchasing products manufactured in Communist China, as we speak.

Strange days indeed.

75 posted on 03/12/2009 1:10:18 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Jeff Head
The Chung-Hoon is among the Navy's newest and most sophisticated warships. It joined the fleet in 2004.

Oh, the irony.

76 posted on 03/12/2009 1:13:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Star Traveler
It was a good move...

Agreed. Good response to an intentional provocation.

77 posted on 03/12/2009 1:15:49 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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To: Dixiekraut
guess they didn’t like the Chinese testing O’Bama without a response

DU warmongers!! Racists!

78 posted on 03/12/2009 1:21:48 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: al baby

So he was in Hawaii when the one was born


So he was in Hawaii when the one was born in Kenya.

There...now it’s fixed!


79 posted on 03/12/2009 1:27:46 PM PDT by killerw ("Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.." (Psalm 122:3).)
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To: GeronL

Chung Hoon means “we’ve taken the measure of Zero.”


80 posted on 03/12/2009 1:28:11 PM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: Jeff Head
The Chinese understand the art of confrontation, as do the North Koreans.

Maybe a reflection on the kidnapping of the USS Pueblo by N.K. would be good. It the Chinese do stage a confrontation it will likely create a “do or die” international incident. They would like nothing better than “detaining” a modern ship of the line to learn all its secrets and they would not hesitate to risk the lives of thousands to accomplish such.

Vigilance needs to be the name of the game, as well as military air cover and lots and lots of plane being able to get to the location in a hurry and a commander who is bold and not over ruled by those in WA DC.

81 posted on 03/12/2009 1:29:31 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Islander7

WooHoo! You can see the old shipyard from my family’s Fish Camp on Mary Walker Bayou, in Gautier.


82 posted on 03/12/2009 1:33:45 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Robert357
That's why we need the Stennis (in Korea) or the Washington (in Yololoma) carrier group to get closer.

Okinanawa is too far waay.

The Pueblo was a spy ship taken by the North Koreans in international waters and that was a shameful debacle.

In the current incident, the US DDG, Chung-hoo, is already with the Impeccable so the Chinese are not going to be able to just take her now...it would have to be done after a major shooting war with the USS Chung-hoo. And she is a very capable vessel.

I am hoping that we have air cover and sub surface cover in addition to the Chung-hoo.

83 posted on 03/12/2009 1:34:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Here's a couple of photos of the USNS Impeccable PHOTOs




84 posted on 03/12/2009 1:35:27 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: max americana

Chung Hoon = Ka Boom in Chinese. >:-)


85 posted on 03/12/2009 1:40:32 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Jeff Head

Sending guns is only effective if we are willing to use them.


86 posted on 03/12/2009 1:54:22 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Star Traveler
Unless my recollection of history is wrong, Dims are the one’s that start wars over “less than strategic” things.
87 posted on 03/12/2009 2:03:43 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Live Free or Die)
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To: Jeff Head
Bush got tested over the EP-3 a few months into his term and he blew it. Let's see what happens.

Sending a destroyer sends a message that the U.S. isn't happy over what happened to the Impeccable. Sending an entire strike force would be premature. If China ups the ante and messes with the Chung Hoon then yes, our response should be to reply in kind. If the matter dies with the harassment of last Sunday then the U.S. has sent its message without China loosing much face, if any.

88 posted on 03/12/2009 2:09:54 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ArrogantBustard

Thank you!

Very fitting a destroyer be named for him.


89 posted on 03/12/2009 2:33:50 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Obama won, America's done!)
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To: Fred Hayek

Sorry, but Willis “Ching” A. Lee was not of Chinese descent. He got his nickname at the USNA because it sounded “Chinese”. Was instrumental in killing a lot of Japs though.

My dad was of Chinese descent was a “Flying Tiger” and was instrumental in killing a lot of Japs too!

PC language filter off.


90 posted on 03/12/2009 2:34:50 PM PDT by wetgundog
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To: Fred Hayek

RADM Willis Lee did indeed bear the nickname “Ching Chong China” ... but he was not Chinese. He was from Kentucky, and related to that other famous Chinee (not), Robert E. Lee.


91 posted on 03/12/2009 2:39:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Most of the he Arleigh Burkes are named for major-league butt kickers. It’s a good thing. There are a few stinking politicians thrown in there.


92 posted on 03/12/2009 2:48:12 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jeff Head
blast from the past: 10 November 2007

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

93 posted on 03/12/2009 2:50:04 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: stuartcr
If a carrier group were escorting the ship, all that noise would make it extremely difficult to find subs.

I wondered if China weren't trying to sneak a sub in or out of the area by surrounding our listening ship with four vessels and making as much noise as they could to prevent us from tracking their sub as it transited the area.

94 posted on 03/12/2009 2:50:32 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Non-Sequitur
Bush got tested over the EP-3 a few months into his term and he blew it. Let's see what happens.

The Chinese fighter pilot went into the drink after ramming our aircraft and was never found. After the Chinese seized our aircraft, Bush sent a letter of condolence to the Chinese pilots wife.

95 posted on 03/12/2009 2:56:21 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
The Chinese fighter pilot went into the drink after ramming our aircraft and was never found. After the Chinese seized our aircraft, Bush sent a letter of condolence to the Chinese pilots wife.

And apologized for entering Chinese airspace.

96 posted on 03/12/2009 3:17:16 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Robert357

Has everyone forgotten this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident


97 posted on 03/12/2009 3:17:51 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Locomotive Breath

Should have read all the way to the end.


98 posted on 03/12/2009 3:19:42 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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Ping for later.


99 posted on 03/12/2009 3:37:41 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: wxgesr

OK


100 posted on 03/12/2009 3:40:20 PM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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