Skip to comments.CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years
Posted on 03/15/2009 2:05:25 PM PDT by Squidpup
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Interesting how GOD HAD HIS WAY regardless of all their satanic complicity.
Thank you FARS. I never put bumper stickers on my car but have always flown a flag on the front of my house.
The Truth. Needs Repeating.
Thanks Fred Nerks, good catch.
The title said — “CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years”
Actually, I see this as *quite encouraging news* to me! :-)
What this means to me, is that when analysis is done by such an organization as the CIA, and they see that the forces at work in the world, and the “particulars” of the situation and the “facts on the ground” are such that Israel cannot maintain its “Jewish state” anymore, as a “homeland for the Jews” (as it was originally intended) — this makes me *get excited*!!
This means that Jesus, the Messiah of Israel is coming back before this happens! That’s because Jesus, as the conquering King and Messiah of Israel is said to come back “just in the nick of time” to save “national Israel” from total destruction.
When I see that there is *no way out* and “Israel will fall” — then I start looking for that return of Jesus, because, actually — Jesus, is the *only solution* to the survival of Israel. There is no other solution and the leaders of Israel actually see this, too — I believe (i.e., that they really have no good solution for the continued survival of Israel, and they’re simply “hanging on” right now, hoping for “something” good to happen...).
I think there is *no doubt about it* — that “Israel will fall!” — in a purely “human sense” and because of the forces in the world aligned against it. I do not think Israel *can survive* on its own, and I do not believe Israel will survive on its own. I believe it’s *doomed*, eventually. That’s in a purely “human sense” and with the world being the way it is now.
Fortunately, I know that God is the protector of Israel and that He has already said in the Bible that He will send the Messiah of Israel back to *take over the entire world* at that time, and make Israel the ruling country of His power and reign over all the nations of the world. *This* — is the only solution — for Israel.
If there is no God in Heaven and if the Messiah of Israel does not come back to take over the rule of all the nations in the world — then — Israel *will fall* and be no more!
You said — “The world has predicting the demise of Israel for about 2000 years now.”
Well, now.., national Israel was *absolutely gone* from the world scene for almost all of those two thousand years — gone completely. The only thing left was the cultural and religious element of the Jews for all those years, scattered around the world in various places and nations.
That was a miracle, in and of itself, that they still continued to exist as a cultural and religion entity all during that time, even without any kind of “national identity” at all.
But, lately, it seems that many Jews are bemoaning the fact that even their “cultural and religious identity” is becoming “assimilated” into the world (in various countries where Jews are still living). So, it’s sort of ironic in that — at the point in time, when they’ve gotten back a *real* national identity and sovereign nation status in the world — that their “cultural and religious identity” is starting to be dissipated, to the point where they fear that their cultural and religious identity will *disappear* even after regaining their national identity in a sovereign state.
And now..., you add to that, the “evaluation” that the Jews will *no longer even have a sovereign state* after a certain period of time — it *does appear* — that the times (now) are more dangerous for the Jews to totally disappear, than they have been in any other time in their history.
I believe this assessment is correct and they face the imminent danger of being “totally wiped out” — as they stand, right now, in a normal and human sense and as governments and countries go...
To me, the *only solution* for Israel’s survival, in the face of all this — is the return of the Messiah of Israel, to take over and rule the nation of Israel, as the Bible says He will. Short of that — Israel *is finished* — permanently...
You said — “Not If can do anything about it -I can still carry a rifle if needed.”
Rifles, bullets, war and self-defense, no matter who helps in this world, will not save Israel. It’s doomed, as far as things are going today, as we see them in a human sense...
You said — “... I wouldnt put too much stock in whatever alleged report some analyst may or may not have written.”
Israel has a real big problem, in this area, and they know it. They’ve been “hanging on”, at first thinking that a two-state solution would solve the problem. But, that doesn’t seem to be their solution. A “one-state solution” is an *equal disaster* as much as a two-state solution is.
With a “one-state solution” you’ve got the demographic time bomb of the Muslims and their huge families and then it’s only a matter of time before they “out-vote” all the Jews and take over the country without a shot being fired, by voting themselves into office (in such a “one-state” solution).
And, of course, the two-state solution doesn’t look much better. Put an armed terrorist group right in the middle of your country and give them their own state is not quite the “solution” I would think would contribute to Israel’s survival.
Either way, they don’t know of a “way out” of this mess, and they are simply “hanging on” right now, not knowing what to do...
You said — “There is little doubt that the US State Dept has wanted the extermination of Israel and then American Jews. That the CIA is on board, is more than troubling.”
Yes, but they are right in their assessment, nonetheless. A quote from the article says —
The CIA report predicts “an inexorable movement away from a two-state to a one-state solution, as the most viable model based on democratic principles of full equality that sheds the looming specter of colonial Apartheid while allowing for the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 refugees. The latter being the precondition for sustainable peace in the region.”
A one-state solution would result in a Muslim take-over of Israel at the voting booth, and the renaming of the country of “Israel” to “Palestine” with all the Jews then becoming “second-class citizens” in a fully Muslim state in the Middle East, all without a single shot being fired, to do so.
I don’t think you’ll find many Jews who will stick around in a Muslim state, called Palestine and be second-class citizens, having to live under Sharia Law of Islam...
You were saying — “Any thought of Israel getting attacked by anyone should cause Christians to rush to their defense.”
Unfortunately, these days, a significant number of Christians work against Israel, on matters of their security and seem to support the Palestinians, against the interests of Israel, in providing a “national homeland dedicated to the Jews”.
Many of these Christians seem to want a nation composed of both Jews and Muslims, where it’s clear the Muslims will outvote the Jews and take over the country and remake it into a Muslim country under Sharia law and remove the name of “Israel” from the country. The will rename the country Palestine, instead.
This seems to be what a lot of Christians are working towards..., as they see Israel is another “apartheid state” like South Africa was...
And Jews continue to vote Democratic....
No argument from me.
You said — “Bottom line, the Truman Administration was against Israel Statehood, and at almost the last minute the Doctrine was changed.”
It does seem that the Truman Administration was against granting Israel sovereign nation status — but I don’t believe Truman was against it. I know that he had politics to be concerned about in his administration, but I still believe he was always for granting the Jews their own national homeland. He just had to fight his entire administration on the issue... :-)
...the hand that held the dagger has struck it into the back of its neighbor.This time, the hand holding the dagger is the United States, and the back is that of our long-suffering friend, Israel.
Two state solution? That's just warmed over Nazi salami tactics.
You were saying — “Two state solution? That’s just warmed over Nazi salami tactics.”
Unfortunately, the “one-state solution” would result in a quick and immediate demise of Israel as a national homeland for the Jews. It would be called “Palestine” in the very next election...
Four million or more of the population of the P.A. areas, thrown into the voting mix of Israel, as in a “one-state solution”, would eliminate Israel in short order.
The solution is the 1973 borders. Send the “palestinians” back to Jordan or better yet, put them up in Dubai: plenty of empty accommodations there.
You said — “The solution is the 1973 borders. Send the palestinians back to Jordan or better yet, put them up in Dubai: plenty of empty accommodations there.”
The only problem is that they are *there* right now. And..., I do not believe you’re going to get those other countries to accept these people... LOL..
So, Israel is *stuck* with the people they’ve got, with none of these other countries accepting them. I mean, who in their right minds (what country) is going to accept a population of Palestinians who have been engaged in fighting and war and terrorist activities for all this time? They would have to be idiots to accept those people
Israel is stuck with them. So, a “one-state solution” ends up with all those people being “in Israel” — for as long as Israel lasts, which will be until the “next election”... :-)
I hope you see the problem. There’s *no solution* that Israel can get to “work”...
In seriousness, I propose perseverance in the status quo. Stall the talks, stonewall.
With apologies to Winston Churchill, it is the worst possible plan, except for all the others.
As the song goes, “The Captain of the Host is JESUS!”
Yep, in order to preserve the state of Israel as a national homeland for the Jews, the only thing that can work at the present time is to stall with the status quo, as you say.
And yet they constantly vote over 70% to turn the USA into their enemy -
Elections have consequences -
Hussein II is not going to give them a bailout -
YUP! YES INDEED!
i THINK I posted such Scriptures [not the ref’s]
between your post I’m replying to and this one.
I’ll try and find such in a bit.
It’s not exactly as you stated it.
It’s that ISRAEL WILL NOT BE DISPERSED AND RETURNED MORE THAN ONE TIME BETWEEN CHRIST AND ARMAGEDDON . . .
It’s more an inference and extrapolation . . .
however, an inference and extrapolation that is clearly the only alternative given some specific Scriptures.
The prophecy from Christ that Israel would be dispersed for rejecting Christ.
Then, that Israel would be returned to the Holy Land as a people; speak Hebrew; etc. etc. dozens of prophecies would pile into fulfillment IN THE SAME ERA wherein Israel was returned and made a Nation again in a day—1948 . . .
And that Armageddon would be one of the END TIMES prophecies fulfilled IN THAT ERA.
Thus, from Christ’s prediction of such and the dispersal in 70 A.D. Israel was not returned until 1948.
That return in 1948 began the clock in ‘more rapid paced fulfillment’ in terms of all the other END TIMES prophecies—which INCLUDE
—the global government led by satan;
—The Mark of The Beast—without which it will not be “POSSIBLE” to buy or sell as well as unlawful;
—the two witnesses viewed by the whole earth—not possible since Christ until world wide TV and net;
—knowledge being vastly increased and shared widely in the world;
—rapid travel to and fro upon the earth;
—dramatic signs in the heavens of a markedly unusual nature;
. . . etc. etc. etc.
I think I listed 19 in that list and there’s another above in this post about the 2 witnesses being seen over the whole world.
. . . including as a concluding exclamation point of God’s Glory literal Armageddon and Christ’s conquest over all His foes thereat.
You might have thought my original comment strange but I was actually referring to a link about “FLY OUR FLAG AND BE TAGGED A TERRORIST”.
Our world’s going crazy now!
so, do you still need me to track down that other post or are we cool?
Religion for most of us is the pursuit of communication with God.
For others, it's only a cover for disease.
I'll pray for you
Let’s leverage the good demographic news
[in Israel, Jewish births rising, Arab fertility falling]
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For the statement — “Rifles, bullets, war and self-defense, no matter who helps in this world, will not save Israel. Its doomed, as far as things are going today, as we see them in a human sense...”
I can’t see much wrong with it, at all.
You were saying, “You Sir, are a person deeply in need of professional help.”
Apparently, so would over half the people on Free Republic, for stating their opinion (at least, to you...)... LOL...
“This does not make Truman [t]he man responsible for the present state of Israel but it should clear up confusion.”
Well, “Yehuda”, considering that Truman apparently had to fight his entire administration in order to get Israel recognized (and some resigned over what Truman did) — I would say that Truman is greatly responsible, in a key way and in perfect timing...
See the account as presented here...
Truman also complained about the Jews pressuring him all the time, too... LOL... But, his own administration was doing things against him...
You said — “The CIA obviously hasnt read the Bible and Gods promise to Israel.”
Well, the CIA is not in a position to be quoting Bible verses in its analysis... LOL... It doesn’t happen that way.
I do happen to think that what CIA says, is very true, in the analysis that they have, given the conditions of the world, the Muslims, the analysis of a “one-state solution” [which a lot of people here advocate) — but that would *absolutely destroy Israel*], and all other factors that we have in “this world”.
It’s accurate and I think what they say is true. They can’t last more than 20 years.
What you’re talking about, which the CIA cannot include in their analysis, is what the Bible says about what God will do to intervene.
The point to keep in mind is *not* that the CIA is wrong in its analysis — but rather, they *cannot include* a “key factor” of what the Bible says. Now, mind you, there are a *whole bunch* of other people in the world who do not even believe what the Bible says.
BUT — even further than that — there are a *whole bunch* of Christians who *do not believe* what is said about God intervening on behalf of Israel. I hear it *all the time* from other “so-called Christians” — who say that God will *not do these things* and that Israel is *just like any other nation in the world* — and thus, they would *agree with the CIA* — totally with no exceptions (even being Christians and saying that they believe the Bible).
NOW..., I *do believe* in the *future prophecies* of the Bible concerning Israel and I see that this is *exactly* what the Bible does say. But, I’ll guarantee you, you’ll have a bunch of Christians who will tell you *no way!* God has nothing more to do with Israel, prophetically. It’s just the same as any other nation in the world and it will “rise” and “fall” on its own, without God’s intervention...
You were saying — “Let us hope not. The Palstinian project should be rejected, and the Palestinians assimilated into the general Arab populations. This is the only just solution to the I/P conflict.”
Here’s the *problem* with that solution you just provided. The other countries do *not* have to take anyone from outside their country, into their own country. No one can make them. And there’s no real incentive or benefit to them to do so, anyway. So, why should they have a thing to do with taking in the people who are currently living in the P.A. (Palestinian Authority) areas?
These other countries *are not a party* to the problem of (1) Israel and (2) the P.A. controlled areas. They are *outsiders* and do not have a direct part in it.
Let’s say you ask Egypt to take all the people in Gaza. Do you think they would do it? No way! Okay, how about Jordan taking the people on the so-called “West Bank”? Would they do it? No way. Jordan fought a war with the terrorists in 1970 (i.e., “Black September”) to get rid of them and kick them out of Jordan. So, you think Jordan wants them back again? No way!
And how about Lebanon? Do you think that Lebanon wants a bunch of terrorist to upset the fragile balance they’ve got right now, by adding a million or more terrorists to their country? No way!
Do you think Syria wants them? No way! How about Saudi Arabia. Not a chance! LOL... No one wants them.
SO..., where are they going to go? :-) *Absolutely nowhere!* They’re staying right there in Israel, the so-called “occupied territories” of Israel.
AND..., it’s a good thing it’s called “occupied terrorities” — because if it weren’t and this land was *really* “Israel proper” then all these Muslim terrorists and their families *would be able to vote* in Israel. Can you imagine what about three million more Muslim terrorists and their families would do to the “voting” in Israel? It would *wipe out Israel* in one or two elections.
Either they have a *two-state solution* and the terrorists get their own state, and thus they cannot vote in Israel — or — you have a *one-state solution* in which Israel takes over all the land, and all these people become Israeli citizens (by “right” at that time, obviously, because they “live in the land” and you can’t deprive people the right of voting in the land where you live). So, with the one-state solution — Israel *disappears* in just one or two elections and the whole area (of Israel) becomes *Muslim* and Sharia law is instituted and the name gets changed from “Israel” to “Palestine”.
Now — that — is the problem you have...
I ALWAYS learn something from your posts.
We are cool. Have you determined yet if the Gog Magog invasion of Ezekiel 38 and 39 comes before or after the rapture? I currently believe it could go either way.
Excellent perspective of the current political reality.
It was at the encouragement of their fellow Arabs that the refugees fled their ‘homeland’ to begin with. Surely, they have some moral obligation to them then? I would say that they DO have a part in this. And after all, they claim to be their ‘brothers’ and fellow muslims. Shouldn't they show them some compassion?
If nothing else, most of these people were under the jurisdiction of Jordan until the 1967 war. Doesn't Jordan have a special obligation to them? Why not?
Further, few of these Arabs had been in Palestine to begin with. They only began to immigrate when the Jews began to make the land to bloom. Seems like their ancestral lands would want to help their ethnic brothers.
OK, there is a lot of hypocrisy here on the Ara side.
Actually, I have no real objection to a two-state solution. It's just that the Arabs don't really want one. They've had plenty of chances to have one and have spurned them all. The losers of a war do not set the terms of a peace treaty, ecvept of course, in this case.
Why should the Arabs get back all the land they lost in 1967? Why should they get back Jerusalem? This wouod make Israel as vulnerable as it was at that time, when Arab armies felt free to launch a war of extermination every few years.
But the real sticker is the ‘right of return’. AS long as that is their demand, there can be no peace without the genocide of the Israelis.
So. Until the palestinian arabs are willing to make peace, they should have to pay the price. And the only way out is for the other Arab states to take them in. Whick, you are correct, they won't.
Islam, the religion of peace.
I have no strong conviction about that.
Seems to me it could happen before or after.
AND even a 2nd time
at the end of the thousand years of Peace.
I know a number of people seem to think it’s the next big event.
I’m not convinced of that but wouldn’t be greatly surprised.
Plenty truth in your post.
However . . . why take them in Jordan or Saudia Arabia?
Because they are Muslim “brothers” and were Jordanians. And because they’ve abused them for lo these many years as pawns
STRICTLY FOR PRIDE.
But that’s speaking sanity. They are not interested in sanity.
They are interested in pride and conquest.
Their hearts are evil toward Israel and they will pay accordingly.
I believe in 20 years what we will see is the
*NEW JERUSALEM* with Christ as King!
Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the LORD!
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
I’m getting increasingly homesick for THE KING
THE KINGDOM . . .
Interesting propaganda from an Iranian web site, Squidpup.
6 East 2nd St.
Farhang Blvd. Saadatabad
A Look at Iran
agreed and pointed out: