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Where Have All the Neocons Gone? (who cares---just get 'em out of OUR party)
The American Conservative ^ | January 12, 2009 | Jacob Heilbrunn

Posted on 03/16/2009 7:48:46 AM PDT by Liz

EXCERPT Though neocons formed a kind of Praetorian Guard around John McCain during his campaign, their truculent approach to foreign affairs sabotaged rather than strengthened McCain’s appeal. The best that Sarah Palin, a foreign-policy neocon on training wheels, could do was to offer platitudes about standing by Israel. It seems safe to say, then, that the neocon credo is ready to be put out to pasture.

Or is it? One problem with this line of argument is that it’s been heard before—sometimes from the neoconservatives themselves. In 1988, after George H.W. Bush replaced Ronald Reagan, neocon lioness Midge Decter fretted, “are we a long, sour marriage held together for the kids and now facing an empty nest?”

Then in the late 1990s, Norman Podhoretz delivered a valedictory for neoconservatism at the American Enterprise Institute. Neoconservatism, he announced, was a victim of its success. It no longer represented anything unique because the GOP had so thoroughly assimilated its doctrines.

In 2004, a variety of commentators scrambled to pronounce a fresh obituary for neoconservatism. The disastrous course of the Iraq War, Foreign Policy editor Moisés Naím said, showed that the neoconservative dream had expired in the sands of Araby.

Yet the neocons show few signs of going away. The Iraq surge was devised by Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute and spearheaded by William Luti, a protégé of Newt Gingrich and Dick Cheney who is currently at the National Security Council.

Its success has prompted some neocons to claim vindication for the Iraq War overall. Nor has the network of institutions that the neocons rely upon melted away, from the Hudson Institute, where Scooter Libby and Douglas J. Feith are now ensconced, to the Weekly Standard and Fox News.

It’s also the case that the realists inside the GOP feel more embattled than ever. Sen. Chuck Hagel has pretty much resigned from the GOP itself as well as from his Senate seat, denouncing Rush Limbaugh and others as retrograde conservatives.

They have undeniably suffered a number of setbacks. The sun has set on the flagship neocon newspaper, the New York Sun, a victim of the financial crash.

The citadel of neoconservatism, AEI, has ousted Michael Ledeen, Joshua Muravchik, and Reuel Marc Gerecht. Meanwhile, Robert Kagan has incorporated realist tenets into his writings, while David Frum, who co-wrote with Richard Perle the standard neocon foreign-policy text, An End to Evil, and who previously demanded the expulsion of allegedly unpatriotic conservatives from the conservative pantheon (a move Russell Baker called reminiscent of the Moscow purges), now seems to be hinting at, among other things, a reassessment of neocon foreign policy. “I cannot be blind,” he conceded in a farewell address to National Review Online last month, “to the evidence … that the foreign policy I supported has not yielded the success I would have wished to see.”

Looking ahead, the neocons do not have an obvious horse. In the past they have glommed on to everyone from Sen. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson to Colin Powell, whom William Kristol briefly touted for president. Another problem is that George W. Bush himself has increasingly deviated from neoconservatism.

With the fall of Donald Rumsfeld, on whom the neocons tried to blame the mismanaged Iraq War, Vice President Dick Cheney has lost out to the combination of Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Even Kristol seems to have shed some of his habitual fervor, musing about the shortcomings of capitalism in his New York Times column and expressing the hope that Obama will put aright what has gone wrong.

The result has been something of an identity crisis in the ranks of the neocons. Like not a few revolutionary movements that have fallen on hard times, neoconservatism is experiencing a schism. Two camps are starting to face off over the question of the true faith, with the first embracing orthodoxy and the second heresy. The question they face is simple: Should the neocons continue to move right, serving as the advance guard of an embattled GOP? Or should neoconservatism become true to itself by returning to the center?

Will the movement, in fact, morph back into what it was at its inception in the late 1960s when it belonged firmly to the Democratic Party—moderate on domestic issues and mildly hawkish on foreign policy? --SNIP--


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
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RNC Chair Michael Steele has been leashed-up by the pukeneos. They tell him what to do and what to say. Sunay on MTP, puke David Frum gave Steele his marching orders----"weaken the party's pro-life principles........or else." The pukeneos have a lot at stake---they get $paid handsomely to $squat in the Repub Party......pocketing $big bonuses to religiously cleanse the party of so/cons the pukes despise.

Pukeneo Billy Kristol blows whichever way the Beltway Winds are blowing. Kristol went from Moynihan's staff to Quayle's, from The Weekly Standard to the NYT, from Bush to Giuliani to McCain. And the crumbum is still as secretive as ever....spewing blue-blood beltway Republicanism, and smirkingly kicking conservatives to the curb.The Pukeneos KNOW just what the Nation needs---another Democrat Party (/s).

NEOS IMPROVE OBAMA'S SEX LIFE Obaman's sex life is about to improve greatly---as Kristol, Frum and the RINO-pukeneos line up for a turn under Obama's desk.

THE FACTS ARE THESE As Dims takeover three branches of the federal government and state and local legislatures all over the land, we can safely conclude the "powerhouse punk-neo political strategy" (/sarc) is a rank loser. The punks diabolical "foot in each camp" strategy destroys the sacrosanct two-party system. The punks pursue their own interests.......to the detriment of our country. Repubs were appalled to see Joe Lieberman shadowing McC, making sure he read from the punkneo script, while writing $100,000 checks to the Dims.....as LIEb pulled off his "bi-partisan scam." RINO Rooty Ghouliani was another disaster, forced on the party by the stupid punkneos. Rooty made political history with his losing punkneo-managed prez campaign----spending $60M and getting one delegate (that he shared). It would come as no surprise to find that abortion-worshipping, ACLU-fellating crook Madoff financed the punks' activities with sub rosa financial dealings. This needs to be looked into.

MEMO TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FROM ITS DONORS

1. Our liberty is from God, not Government.

2. Our sovereignty is in our souls, not the soil.

3. Our security is through strength, not surrender.

4. Our prosperity is from the private sector, not the public sector.

5. Our truths are self-evident, not relative.

SOURCE Congressman Thad McCotter’s five GOP fundamental principles http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2204561/posts

If Steele still does not “get it” he should GTH out of our party.

1 posted on 03/16/2009 7:48:46 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
>Our prosperity is from the private sector, not the public sector

To be fair it was
private sector money firms
and all their watchdogs

that took the money
from investors and made it
disappear like smoke . . .

2 posted on 03/16/2009 7:53:53 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Liz
This tripe (as always the hammer of "neocon" does) dangerously dillutes between "New Conservatives" (David Frum, and RINO ilk) and any foreign policy hawk.

Sarah Palin, a foreign-policy neocon on training wheels

Barf.

The corner this drivel is coming from are the Buchanan and Ron Paul kooks who seriously suggests that Mullah Iran, Russia and their array of proxy rogues are harmless, tiny countries with which we can peacefully trade whike staying out of world affairs.

We need to get rid of the RINOs on the left and the isolationist Kook corner.

3 posted on 03/16/2009 7:56:30 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: Liz
OK, I'm confused.

If I liked Sarah Palin, am I a neo-con? If I favored the surge and winning in Iraq, am I a neo-con? If I favor America and American sovereignty, am I a neo-con? If I dislike everything Michael Steele has done/said so far, am I a neo-con?

Would someone please explain this gobbledy-gook to me?!

4 posted on 03/16/2009 7:57:33 AM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Prov3456

Kick the RINOs out too!


5 posted on 03/16/2009 7:58:29 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: SolidWood

Whenever I hear someone say neocon, I’m always reminded of 9/11 troofers.


6 posted on 03/16/2009 7:59:52 AM PDT by Califreak (1/20/13-Sunrise in America)
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To: Liz
This is one of the most confusing articles that I've read in a LONG time.

The word “neocon” is tossed on virtually everyone.
I still have yet to find a cogent, clear, and unified answer as to what a neocon is.

7 posted on 03/16/2009 7:59:53 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Liz

LOL. The NeoCons are working for Obama right now.


8 posted on 03/16/2009 8:00:54 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: Prov3456
Neoconservatism

Paleoconservatism

Libertariansim
9 posted on 03/16/2009 8:01:22 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: SolidWood; Liz
We need to get rid of the RINOs on the left and the isolationist Kook corner.

No, what you need to do is get rid of the Big Government wackos, including the RINOs and neo-cons.

10 posted on 03/16/2009 8:02:34 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Prov3456
To the Kool-aid Kooks, anyone siding with Israel and other allies, anyone favoring a strong foreign policy, anyone supporting military intervention when neccessary, anyone except Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan are "evil, Zionist, imperialist Neo-Cons".

I can't see how Rumsfeld, Cheney or Palin are "Neo" anything. Were they liberals in the past? Nope. They are deliberately being dilluted with those that do originate from the left and the RINOs. In essence the Joe Lieberman, Ed Koch types... socially liberal but forein policy hawks.

11 posted on 03/16/2009 8:02:41 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: sauropod

read


12 posted on 03/16/2009 8:02:57 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: bill1952
I still have yet to find a cogent, clear, and unified answer as to what a neocon is.

A neocon is anything bad and/or Joooooooish.

13 posted on 03/16/2009 8:03:31 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: theFIRMbss
Not exactly.

Congress and our government caused the financial mess.

Our government forced banks to make risky loans. This was done through laws that made it easy for Obama’s friends, at ACORN, to take banks to court, this was done through protests, at the banks, by ACORN. This was done by Obama’s friends at Freddie and Fannie, Government CREATED companies, forcing bad loans on the system.

14 posted on 03/16/2009 8:04:54 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: rabscuttle385

Define Neocon. If you mean getting rid of the Frums, Perles and Giulianis I’m on board. But too often the “neocon” brush is used to include everyone favoring strong foreign policy.


15 posted on 03/16/2009 8:05:08 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: Liz
Well, the truth is it's not our party, and no amount of persuading, moaning, threatening, working or losing is going to change that. "Moderates" are the vast majority of the GOP-- always have been, and always will be.

Reagan was a charismatic aberration who built his own groundswell with the people through his radio talks, so even the GOP couldn't ignore him. He was so successful that even old-school GOP moderates and beltway boys have found it prudent to hide their true beliefs by wearing the "conservative" label. And there's very good a reason Bush I was pushed to be the VP under Reagan, and Dole, Bush II, and McCain were our last 3 POTUS candidates: THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PARTY IS "MODERATE".

Conseratives should stop beating that deceased equine and have nothing to do with the GOP. WE are the real RINOs.

16 posted on 03/16/2009 8:05:48 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Prov3456

We are all neo cons unless we can prove otherwise....Lets get ourselves out of our party!


17 posted on 03/16/2009 8:06:07 AM PDT by woofie
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To: SolidWood

Agreed!

Also, we need to attack each other in the primaries, but then we need to come together in the general elections, and after the elections we need to attack the Marxists.

There are many out there who simply stake out a position that will never have majority appeal -— and thereby guarantee themselves that they will always have a soapbox to stand on and complain!


18 posted on 03/16/2009 8:07:04 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Petronski

My neo cons are better than your neo cons


19 posted on 03/16/2009 8:07:58 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Ev Reeman

Do that in the PRIMARY.
We don’t want to kick anyone out of the Party, we want to win in the Primary, with OUR candidates, and then get them to vote for our winners.

Politics is MATH, it is not a system designed to support our egos.


20 posted on 03/16/2009 8:08:43 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Califreak
"Whenever I hear someone say neocon, I’m always reminded of 9/11 troofers."

Neocon is a term used by limp-wristed purse-swingers to attempt and drive a wedge between those who are willing to use military power and those who don't.

21 posted on 03/16/2009 8:09:57 AM PDT by lormand (Paulrhoids - The hemmrhoids of American Politics)
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To: Liz

What happens when two or more people hold truths to be self-evident, but contradictory? Which self-evident truth, is real?


22 posted on 03/16/2009 8:10:24 AM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: mikeus_maximus
WE are the real RINOs.

I think you may have expressed one of the most simple-yet-profound ideas I have read here in a very long time.

We use the term RINO, when what we usually mean is "CONSERVATIVE in name only". "Republican" has only loose correlation to "conservative" much of the time.

23 posted on 03/16/2009 8:10:27 AM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: SolidWood

Amen, brother.

“Neo-con” is used here like it would be on the Daily KOmmunistS website. They use it like little kids...it sounds like “neo-nazi” so just stick it on anything you don’t like.


24 posted on 03/16/2009 8:11:05 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: rabscuttle385
"...and neo-cons"

What is a neo-con?

25 posted on 03/16/2009 8:11:44 AM PDT by lormand (Paulrhoids - The hemmrhoids of American Politics)
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To: woofie
My neo cons are better than your neo cons

Well, kick them twice and beat 'em with a stick.

26 posted on 03/16/2009 8:14:36 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Lee'sGhost
“Neo-con” is used here like it would be on the Daily KOmmunistS website. They use it like little kids...it sounds like “neo-nazi” so just stick it on anything you don’t like.

That, and the fact that "con" is shorthand for "con-man". The implication of fraud, dishonesty, swindling, etc. is obviously not an accident either.

"Neo-con" = (by implication/association) "Neo-nazi con-man"?

27 posted on 03/16/2009 8:14:43 AM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: mikeus_maximus
You could not be more wrong.

In fact, you are making stuff up without any proof or even any evidence.

There has never been a poll taken that showed that Gun Control, abortion rights, higher taxes or a weak foreign policy had a majority of Republican support.

All of our Presidential nominees that you mentioned CAMPAIGNED as “conservatives” (Heck, even Obama campaigned as a “conservative”)

Most people are not political junkies, and once you get passed the “litmus test” issues, voters decide if they like the candidate or not.

We need to do a better job of recruiting conservative candidates, and those candidates will then WIN most of the primaries, if those candidates do a better job of communicating with the voters.

The idea that we need a “3rd party” is insane, we will give the country over to the left, if we do that.

The idea that we can win elections by REDUCING our ranks is also insane.

28 posted on 03/16/2009 8:16:19 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: woofie
We are all neo cons unless we can prove otherwise....Lets get ourselves out of our party!
Neo con apologist?

Speak for yourself. I'm not a neo con and I don't have to prove anything to anyone...

29 posted on 03/16/2009 8:16:21 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Petronski; SolidWood; bill1952
"A neocon is anything bad and/or Joooooooish."

There goes Petronski spewing his profound "wisdom" all over the place.

Now who's going to clean that up?

You people who do not even know the definition of neo-con are sure quick to throw us into the tank with all the "KOOKS".

May I suggest you actually take a minute (or all day, in your case) to finally get a handle on who the neo-cons are, and what they are doing.

Otherwise, you will continue to look foolish.

30 posted on 03/16/2009 8:18:49 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: Liz

The surest way to detect mental midgetry is to see the term “neocon” used.


31 posted on 03/16/2009 8:19:46 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Liz
"3. Our security is through strength, not surrender.

Huh? To rage against neo-cons and at the same time to support the central idea of the neo-conservative foreign policy??????

32 posted on 03/16/2009 8:21:30 AM PDT by alex
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To: Califreak

“neo-con”....new conservative...aka former liberal...

To the liberal mind...a neo-con is WORSE than a nazi...

You have to understand...to liberals this is heresy...neo-cons are apostates from the “church of humanity”...

Neo-cons have drank from the well of liberalism and found it wanting...

It’s a dirty invective uttered to pass muster of profanity...but never mistake it’s meaning when spashed upon the stoning alter of the press...

To liberal ...Every conservative is a neo-con....

While to conservatives....we understand the variables in the party...

I’m a former liberal...one of the few on the boards....I AM a neo-con....But I dont consider Frum to be a neo-con...he’s just a liberal republican...he’s a powell, a Buckley Jr,spector, collins, snowe, gramnesty, McCainiac.....etc etc ...

I’m much farther to the right than these any of these smacktards...

The danger a former liberal represents to liberals...the source of the hatred...is the fact that true neo-con can see through there bullshit instantly...as they were once of that same mindset and world view...


33 posted on 03/16/2009 8:22:50 AM PDT by Crim
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To: SolidWood
But too often the “neocon” brush is used to include everyone favoring strong foreign policy.

That's a good point. I would contend that anyone who favors a strong foreign policy as an element of a big-government, globalist world view would fit the bill as a true "neo-conservative."

34 posted on 03/16/2009 8:23:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: bill1952
I still have yet to find a cogent, clear, and unified answer as to what a neocon is.

I'm not clear on this myself. I believe that originally the term was applied to former Democrats who became disenchanted with the Democratic Party's weak, submissive approach to foreign policy and became Republicans. The following definitions seem to apply:

Social conservatives: A "neocon" is any Republican who isn't a social conservative. Also termed "RINOs", even if their views are overwhelmingly in line with traditional GOP values, these people must either fall in line with what social conservatives want or be driven out of the party. The article above demonstrates this definition.

Foreign-policy isolationists and Democrats: A "neocon" is anyone who supports the war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in general favors a muscular foreign policy. This is the definition used mostly in the media, by Hollywood anti-war types, etc. There is also a segment within this group who use the term "neocon" as a code word for "Jew" - many prominent neoconservatives such as Richard Perle and Paul Wolflowitz are Jewish.
35 posted on 03/16/2009 8:26:56 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Designer

It amazes me sometimes how quickly the insults fly. It’s a sure sign that one has nothing better to say.


36 posted on 03/16/2009 8:27:31 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: SolidWood

That’s right, everyone is a kook, but people like you are pure genius. That works real well. That’s what your buddy Medved does. Ron Paul brings up points you don’t want public so you call him a kook and make him a Nazi. Brilliant. So, let me ask you, who should go to war with Iran before they get a nuke?


37 posted on 03/16/2009 8:29:38 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: mikeus_maximus

True, but when a true, articlulate conservative comes along, he/she is popular. Look at Palin, whom is very, very ordinary American.

Liberal Republicans run as conservatives( Mitt ), because that is how you win the GOP. Then, they stab them in the face, because that’s what liberals do.


38 posted on 03/16/2009 8:34:07 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Alberta's Child
That's Clintonian and arguably to far lesser extent GWB foreign policy.

We need however a strong, if neccessary pro-active foreign policy for America's strength and security (which will benefit the free world too), while vastly shrinking government domestically.

We neither can afford Giuliani-Frum liberalism, nor Buchanan-Paul isolationism.

The above article is ridiculous from the onset for attacking Palin. It may have escaped the authors attention that Frum was viciously bashing Palin. The folks that are worrisome within the GOP are not the hawks, but the domestically liberal hawks.

39 posted on 03/16/2009 8:34:46 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: Califreak
Whenever I hear someone say neocon, I’m always reminded of 9/11 troofers.

EXACTLY!

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


40 posted on 03/16/2009 8:35:11 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I'm not clear on this myself. I believe that originally the term was applied to former Democrats who became disenchanted with the Democratic Party's weak, submissive approach to foreign policy and became Republicans. The following definitions seem to apply:

Social conservatives: A “neocon” is any Republican who isn't a social conservative. Also termed “RINOs”, even if their views are overwhelmingly in line with traditional GOP values, these people must either fall in line with what social conservatives want or be driven out of the party. The article above demonstrates this definition.

Foreign-policy isolationists and Democrats: A “neocon” is anyone who supports the war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in general favors a muscular foreign policy. This is the definition used mostly in the media, by Hollywood anti-war types, etc. There is also a segment within this group who use the term “neocon” as a code word for “Jew” - many prominent neoconservatives such as Richard Perle and Paul Wolflowitz are Jewish.”

I think one problem is the mis-application of the term to liberal republicans....

Powell is a liberal republican, bush is a moderate...neither are neo-cons...

A liberal democrat who turns into a liberal republican (such as spector) isnt a new Conservative...he's just a lib with an R instead of D....a “me too rebublican” or what used to be called a “Rockefeller republican”...

These are the one’s embarrassed to be in the same party as pro-lifers, pro gunners, and pro states rights....

I think the term RINO is appropriate for a liberal republican.

A they have little resemblance to the core ideals for which they claim to stand with...

41 posted on 03/16/2009 8:37:09 AM PDT by Crim
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To: Prov3456; Petronski; SolidWood; bill1952
"OK, I'm confused.

If I liked Sarah Palin, am I a neo-con? If I favored the surge and winning in Iraq, am I a neo-con? If I favor America and American sovereignty, am I a neo-con? If I dislike everything Michael Steele has done/said so far, am I a neo-con?

Would someone please explain this gobbledy-gook to me?!"

Dear Confused:

Boy! You really ARE confused!

Aside from the fact that the definition of Neo-Con has been posted here many times before, I see that there are still plenty of people who were absent that day. So here goes: (again)

The neocons were (and still are) liberals who left the democrat party when the democrat party "went soft" on war by nominating George McGovern.

The neocons migrated to the Republican party in order to make sure their version of foreign policy continued to have legs. They originated the term, not us. We are not attempting to disparage someone based upon religious or ethnic background. The term is purely political, not "racist". It has nothing whatsoever with anyone who recently converted to conservativsm. I know of absolutely no example of anyone who is actually conservative being a neocon, unless they are just too ignorant to know anything about it, and they end up empowering the neocons out of their own ignorance.

As I get very tired of trying to educate folks who just don't give a rat's behind about facts, I suggest that you don't take my word for it, but do some reading on your own.

Think of it as "homework" and your grade in freedom hinges on whether you can understand who is our enemy, and who is our friend.

42 posted on 03/16/2009 8:37:54 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: Kansas58
That's a common philosphy among conservatives-- in fact, the moderates who control the GOP depend on it! True conservatism, as Reagan, demonstrated, resonates with Americans. That's why moderates still wear the label, and hope people are gullible enough not to look beneath surface, blindly march in rank, and continuously compromise and vote for their "lesser or two evils." Conservatives in the GOP continue to do so, in the hope that someday, somehow, the conservative minority can transform the moderate majority.

To each his own.

43 posted on 03/16/2009 8:39:03 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: SolidWood

Well said.


44 posted on 03/16/2009 8:39:07 AM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: Designer
"...to finally get a handle on who the neo-cons are, and what they are doing."

Please enlighten us on what a "neo-con" is, and what makes this term valid?

45 posted on 03/16/2009 8:39:18 AM PDT by lormand (Paulrhoids - The hemmrhoids of American Politics)
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To: mysterio
From the Wikipedia - Neocon
The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, and considered its founder, is Irving Kristol, father of William Kristol, who founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

If support for the New American Century is a test for being a neocon, I guess I can be painted as a neocon. The New American Century project was about who was going to lead in the 21st century and to take steps to see that it was going to be America. The other options were China, Russia or maybe India.

Do I agree with all of the people that have been thrown in the neocon soup or those mistakenly tagged with the neocon label by berserk leftists with neocon semi-automatic sticker guns? Nope.

Frankly I'm sick of the word as it has been so misused as to make it totally worthless.

46 posted on 03/16/2009 8:40:08 AM PDT by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: SQUID
Ron Paul's remarks about Iran are testimony for either his kookiness or stupidity. His campaign website literally described the Mullah regime as peaceful, weak and non-threatening. He made repeatedly historically ridiculous remarks about how the 1953 coup in Iran was a disaster of US foreign policy (conveniently leaving out that the succesful 2nd coup was done by the Iranian army, not the CIA, and prevented a Communist regime.)

So, let me ask you, who should go to war with Iran before they get a nuke?

Ideally the US and Israel in cooperation with Iranian dissidents and Military defectors. If you want... let's call it a large-scale replay on 1953 with some bunker-busting.

you call him a kook and make him a Nazi.

Where did I call anyone a Nazi?

47 posted on 03/16/2009 8:42:47 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: rdb3; Lee'sGhost; TChris; lormand
"EXACTLY!"

et tu, rdb3?

No, NOT "exactly".

All FReepers who might actually want to learn something, please go back and read post #42, by yours truly.

48 posted on 03/16/2009 8:43:12 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: Liz

Take Pat Buchanan’s isolationist crap elsewhere, please.


49 posted on 03/16/2009 8:43:35 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Petronski
"It amazes me sometimes how quickly the insults fly. It’s a sure sign that one has nothing better to say."

Oh, sorry, I have a rather low tolerance for willful ignorance.

Petronski, you're a regular poster, so why haven't you learned the definition of neocon before today?

50 posted on 03/16/2009 8:45:36 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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