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Prelude to the Civil War; Four states mark the 150th anniversary of John Brown’s raid
johnbrownraid.org ^ | March/April 2009 | Theresa Gawlas Medoff

Posted on 03/21/2009 7:02:03 AM PDT by Liz

A series of reenactments, dramatic productions, family activities and special tours are scheduled this year as Civil War sites in West Virginia, Maryland, Virginia and Pennsylvania commemorate the 150th anniversary of abolitionist John Brown’s October 1859 raid on the arsenal at Harpers Ferry. Although the raid itself failed, it succeeded in exacerbating the divide between North and South, pushing the nation closer to civil war.

“Before the raid, negotiations and a compromise between North and South might have been possible; however, after the attack—and Brown’s trial and hanging—emotions ran so high that armed conflict became inevitable,” says Tom Riford of the Hagerstown-Washington County Convention and Visitors Bureau.

At the time, Brown was denounced on both sides of the Mason–Dixon Line as a terrorist and an enemy of the Union, but others just as passionately revered him as a martyr. Brown inspires those same polarized opinions among today’s visitors to Harpers Ferry National Historical Park (nps.gov/hafe), says Todd Bolton, events committee chair for the John Brown Sesquicentennial Quad-State Committee (johnbrownraid.org). “Our job at Harpers Ferry is to present the facts and the history, and let people decide for themselves,” he says.

There will be plenty of opportunities this year to learn about Brown, beginning on April 18 with the first Signature Event of the sesquicentennial: “Prelude to History: The Wedding of Virginia Kennedy” at Harpers Ferry National Historical Park. The day’s attractions include a dramatic monologue about the raid told from the perspective of the wife of raider John Cook. Visitors can also enjoy period music, youth activities and tours of the Lower Town at Harpers Ferry, which has been preserved as it appeared during the Civil War era.

The town of Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, lies at the confluence of the Potomac and Shenandoah Rivers, bordering Maryland and Virginia. The 3,500-acre National Park extends into all three states. Brown had his northern headquarters in Pennsylvania, the fourth member of the quad-state committee. On May 22, the John Brown House in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, will be rededicated and reopened after a major renovation.

The Kennedy Farmhouse in Samples Manor, Maryland, staging place for the raid, will host a rare open house with tours and demonstrations July 12. Frederick County, Maryland, attracts the spotlight August 8–9 for its Militia and Fire Company Days, with displays of antique fire-fighting equipment. Other events happen throughout the summer and fall, including regular ranger-guided tours of Brown-related sites in the National Park and surrounding areas.

The centerpiece of the sesquicentennial observation takes place in the Harpers Ferry area October 16–18, 150 years to the day after the raid and subsequent siege. Following a twilight reenactment Friday of Brown’s six-mile march to Harpers Ferry, the commemoration continues on Saturday and Sunday with a full slate of music, living history, family activities and ranger-guided programs.

Because of the significance of the raid, the John Brown Sesquicentennial is regarded as a prelude to the Civil War Sesquicentennial, which the nation will observe from 2011 to 2015.

—Theresa Gawlas Medoff

Learn more about the Civil War and the nation’s sesquicentennial plans at cwar.nps.gov/civilwar/abcivwarSesqInit.htm. The information in this story was accurate when it was published in the March/April 2009 issue of AAA World, but dates, times and prices may have changed since then. We suggest you verify such details directly with the listed establishments before making travel plans.

Email: info@johnbrownraid.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; anniversary; dixie; harpersferry
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To: Arkinsaw

Waco is in no way comparable to the institution of slavery and you would clearly have been indifferent to the sufferings of slaves in that day. Be grateful you were not born under such circumstances because that was the United States’ great sin and it did need to be purged through blood.


101 posted on 03/22/2009 12:46:10 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: Arkinsaw

‘Bleeding Kansas’ was in fact a war zone. Those murdered were leaders of the slave movement that murdered, brutalized, and was actively involved in stealing an election process and denying opposition. So, yes, it was warfare that Brown moved from Kansas to the slave states that were involving themselves in the equation of spreading it further to other states and the continuing issue of the humanity of slavery in a country that was supposed to stand for freedom.


102 posted on 03/22/2009 12:52:17 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: Graybeard58

Brown was fighting the slave states and an institution that this country was grossly hypocritical on and involved the lives of those unfortunate to be born of the wrong origin and pigment to be treated as their ‘master’ saw fit. I don’t see the comparisons and find it sickening that some don’t want to admit to the great shame that slavery was to this ‘free’ country. Like I say, easy for you to look at it as ho-hum, carry on and no bloodshed. It was a tremendous wrong that needed to be righted and it was already 83 yrs. and nothing being done about it.


103 posted on 03/22/2009 1:00:08 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Innocent people are always killed in warfare. Those in Kansas were the equivilent of Charles Manson as far as I’m concerned with what they were doing to abolitionists.


104 posted on 03/22/2009 1:03:45 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: TexConfederate1861

And just where do you come up with that? Obviously not ALL of the slaves were brutalized and many became part of families, but to deny that it was completely A-OK for the whims of the master to treat them as how they saw fit and for many it was brutal-rape, beatings, separation of families, nasty living conditions. There is nothing romantic about slavery and you need to step away from the notion that it was somehow OK and the ‘majority’ weren’t treated that way. Even one more day was an injustice to the many slaves who were victims of its ugliness.


105 posted on 03/22/2009 1:10:54 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: Charlespg

Yeah, but the precious South just couldn’t stop meddling in Kansas and spreading slavery elsewhere and using violent and vicious means to stop opposition to the despicable institution.


106 posted on 03/22/2009 1:14:34 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: stand watie

Yeah, how convenient to grasp onto an unfortunate casualty to further the cause to deny opposition to ending an institution that would have had that poor man back in chains and being left at the mercy of his ‘master’.


107 posted on 03/22/2009 1:16:53 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: bushfamfan
Let's see now:

    Slaves had
  1. Guaranteed jobs
  2. Free health care
  3. Free housing

However, they had no freedom! Just like in the land of Hope and Change.

108 posted on 03/22/2009 1:18:01 PM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot child is in charge!)
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To: stand watie

Wouldn’t it be something if in the next life you experienced the life of one of those lucky slaves?! I mean it’s just something to aim for to know how good they had it and how this was nothing but a pesky issue that should have dragged on another day. Learn the story of Dangerfield Newby, who was the first raider to die, and what he went through in an attempt to free his wife and children. THAT is what it was about.


109 posted on 03/22/2009 1:21:02 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: stand watie

That argument is made a lot, but when you get down to it, it was about keeping their “n***ers” as they would say. They were not shedding blood over anything else. Not a cause I would have been proud to have died for. Sad there were a lot of ignorant men who went to their deaths for such a cause. Misguided, but that was it just the same.


110 posted on 03/22/2009 1:25:52 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Yes, it would have been much more prudent to procrastinate for more yrs. and yrs. with the same old, same old while countless slaves were sent to their grave because they were nothing more than a mule, a horse, a pig to be led to slaugher or something for personal enjoyment and so what if their offspring gets sold off elsewhere because they can live happily knowing it’s what they were born for! Freedom is not free. The United States paid dearly for its sins and it had to.


111 posted on 03/22/2009 1:34:22 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: reg45

Very Kenyan.


112 posted on 03/22/2009 1:47:32 PM PDT by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: Liz

Deranged-John-Brown-roasting-in-hell commemoration.


113 posted on 03/22/2009 1:58:55 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: bushfamfan
Brown was fighting the slave states and an institution that this country was grossly hypocritical on

Brown was a murdering butchering terrorist who practiced his terrorism in Kansas, not a slave state. He drug slavery sympathisers from their homes in the dead of the night and disembowled them in front of their wives and children. He did it because "God was whispering in his ear" These were not slave holders he did this to, but common people who thought slavery was ok.

You keep wanting to turn this discussion to slavery when my remarks have been about John Brown and how he operated. I get it- slavery bad, now you need to get it, terrorism bad too even when you believe God is telling you to gut people while their children watch.

114 posted on 03/22/2009 2:23:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: Graybeard58

Excellent logic, and point.


115 posted on 03/22/2009 2:30:49 PM PDT by Alia
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To: bushfamfan
Yeah, but the precious South just couldn’t stop meddling in Kansas and spreading slavery elsewhere and using violent and vicious means to stop opposition to the despicable institution.

yeah whatever a lot that violent and vicious means was carried out up north by mops who were deeply opposed to abolition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abolitionist_riots_(1834)

http://www.slaveryinnewyork.org/tour_galleries.htm

and I will not mention the northern slave traders or the African chiefs that sold members of the less sophisticated tribes as slaves after raiding and burning their villages

116 posted on 03/22/2009 2:48:53 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: bushfamfan
did nobody tell you that Shepard was BORN a free man???

it's so like a DY to believe the worst of us southrons.

the FACTS are that The War Between the States was:

a. from the northern perspective, ONLY about keeping the south IN the union & SUBSERVIENT to northern industrial/financial interests.

and

b. from the southron perspective, it was about getting our FREEDOM.

it's really no more complicated than this: you & 99% of modern Americans have been LIED TO & MADE FOOLS OF by "your betters", who cared NOTHING for the "plight of the slaves" in the 19th century & NOTHING about you NOW.

they just want you DY sympathizers to HATE the south & southerners.

free dixie,sw

117 posted on 03/22/2009 3:02:11 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: bushfamfan
actually, cold-bloodied MURDER of INNOCENTS & TERRORISM (no different in causation than the massacres of 9/11/2001), by a group of CRAZED HATERS/fools/bigots/dupes was the GOAL of the "raiders".

NOTHING, from first to last that they disd, was decent/honorable or even well-intentioned. (face it, you're defending FILTH.)

that is the TRUTH, despite the bilge that you've been force-fed, in the "gubmint appruved publick screwls".

free dixie,sw

118 posted on 03/22/2009 3:09:05 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: bushfamfan
fwiw, that argument is "made a lot" because it is the TRUTH.

a neutral examination of the FACTS of the period shows up the DY government & "the lincoln misadministration" to be the cheap scheming politicians/nitwits/crooks/bigots/antisemites/south-HATERS that they actually were.

face it, you've been LIED TO & MADE A FOOL OF your whole life. further, "your betters" in the hate-FILLED bastions of DAMNyankeedom "laugh up their sleeves" at anyone who believes their SELF-serving, intentional lies.

nearly a MILLION people died NEEDLESSLY for a pack of DAMNyankee LIES. it's really no more complicated than that.

free dixie,sw

119 posted on 03/22/2009 3:18:58 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: PurpleMan
did i say THAT??? or could it be that you, like so many other of the DY's here, are a KNOWING/intentional/remorseless LIAR and/or a FOOL.

free dixie,sw

120 posted on 03/22/2009 3:21:14 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: IrishCatholic
actually, i'm OK. it's "the old folks", who are all either over 85YO and/or very ill.

FR, as much as i enjoy being on the forum, is NOT "in the cards" when i'm at home on the farm or going to/coming from/at the hospital.

free dixie,sw

121 posted on 03/22/2009 3:24:13 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: bushfamfan
And it was still treason against the mother govt. The United States was British citizens and the country was extremely divided with most remaining Loyalists. But it’s funny you find the cause of rebelling against a gov’t ok for taxes but not in the cause of true slavery. Hitler and the Nazis were elected and ruled Germany. It would have been nice to have seen a John Brown rise up there

1) You just Godwinned the thread. Fail.
2) Call the founders of the US traitors if you want, it doesn't help your argument a bit. I pointed out the specific differences between the steps taken by the founders and those by John Brown and you IGNORED each point. Fail.
3) I made no statement about what one can, and cannot, rebel against a government for but you continue to say I did. If the northern states had "rebelled" against the union and seceded from it as legal representatives of their people because they didn't want to be in a slave nation....great. But John Brown represented NOBODY and had NO legal authority at all. I have made these points previously and you studiously IGNORE them. Fail.

122 posted on 03/22/2009 3:25:55 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: bushfamfan
Waco is in no way comparable to the institution of slavery and you would clearly have been indifferent to the sufferings of slaves in that day. Be grateful you were not born under such circumstances because that was the United States’ great sin and it did need to be purged through blood.

I was not comparing Waco to slavery, I was responding to your statement and making the point that the government behaved thugishly at Waco but that fact gave nobody a right to kill innocents. You have completely ignored the context intended either through inability to follow the debate, or purposefully. Fail.
123 posted on 03/22/2009 3:29:22 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Non-Sequitur
YES it did (i'm surprised that you have the guts to ask, since it points out clearly that YOU LIED.)

unfortunately, it arrived in VA (and after 30 days was returned to the loaning library) while i was in TX & taking care of 'the old folks" & our family farm. (the truth is that humiliating a LYING/arrogant DAMNyankee is "far down the list of importance" from doing the things that it takes to keep the family/farm going.)

why NOT just admit to everyone here that you KNOWINGLY LIED to everyone here on these WBTS threads & save me all the trouble of re-borrowing the book??? btw, since you SAY that you have a copy of the book that you claim to have purchased on an internet site (that company says that they had NONE to sell for more than THREE YEARS.), you should post the relevent pages & expose yourself to the public ridicule that you know you deserve.

laughing AT you, LIAR.

free dixie,sw

124 posted on 03/22/2009 3:37:35 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: bushfamfan
‘Bleeding Kansas’ was in fact a war zone. Those murdered were leaders of the slave movement that murdered, brutalized, and was actively involved in stealing an election process and denying opposition. So, yes, it was warfare that Brown moved from Kansas to the slave states that were involving themselves in the equation of spreading it further to other states and the continuing issue of the humanity of slavery in a country that was supposed to stand for freedom.

John Brown had ZERO legal authority to conduct any "warfare".

You make the same arguments for John Brown that eco-terrorists make for themselves today.

You either believe in the constitutional federal republic we have created and work through that....or you believe that each man can decide for himself to impose his belief on others through violence if he chooses (anarchy).

When you justify John Brown's actions you open the door for others to justify themselves in the same way for causes that they believe are just. If all one has to do to become judge, jury, army, executioner, and commander in chief is make the case to ones own self...then it is anarchy.

You are wrong.
125 posted on 03/22/2009 3:38:20 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Liz
Threads about the Great Slaver Rebellion of 1861 are always a plentiful source of amusement for me.

Truly an LOL-rich environment.

126 posted on 03/22/2009 3:45:12 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Liz; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


127 posted on 03/22/2009 5:16:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: stand watie
unfortunately, it arrived in VA (and after 30 days was returned to the loaning library)

Damned convenient for you.

why NOT just admit to everyone here that you KNOWINGLY LIED to everyone here on these WBTS threads & save me all the trouble of re-borrowing the book???

No, I'll make you go and re-borrow it.

btw, since you SAY that you have a copy of the book that you claim to have purchased on an internet site (that company says that they had NONE to sell for more than THREE YEARS.), you should post the relevent pages & expose yourself to the public ridicule that you know you deserve.

OK. Here's the cover.

Photobucket

Name the page you want to see.

128 posted on 03/22/2009 5:42:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
the page on the RIGHT side at the top that states that 100,ooo - 150,ooo blacks served in the CSA military forces. (the one that PROVES that you KNOWINGLY LIED about what Blackerby's book states!)

you never did explain HOW you bought a book from a company that stated to me that they had NONE for sale for over THREE YEARS.- i had had it on my "wish list" for a long time. (DYs just must be MIRACLE WORKERS to be able to buy things that don't exist. = sarcasm button: ON.)

fwiw, that rumble you hear in the distance is NOT thunder;instead it's the sound of FReepers laughing AT your transparent LIES.

free dixie,sw

129 posted on 03/22/2009 7:05:57 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: PurpleMan

Good. Don’t go away mad, just GO AWAY.


130 posted on 03/22/2009 7:47:47 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: bushfamfan

Freeing the slaves wasn’t worth the lives of 180,000 men.


131 posted on 03/22/2009 7:49:39 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: bushfamfan

Then I guess it was OK for Quantrill to wipe those Kansas Abolitionist off the face of the earth.


132 posted on 03/22/2009 7:54:41 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: bushfamfan

Bull. My ancestor freed his slaves, then joined the Confederate Army.


133 posted on 03/22/2009 7:56:21 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Arkinsaw; bushfamfan

John Brown and Timothy McVeigh are much, much, more comparable than John Brown and the Continental Congress or John Brown and US service members are. I leave it for the reader to judge which comparisons are more likely.

Amen, Brother! Bushfamfan is FOS and SOL!


134 posted on 03/22/2009 8:24:06 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: bushfamfan

You are one fanatical Yankee! Why are you on a Conservative forum. You make N-S sound like a Southern Advocate.
It’s people like you who make people like me want to refight the War of Northern Agression again. Right here and right now. No quarter - given nor asked.


135 posted on 03/22/2009 8:31:40 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: stand watie
he page on the RIGHT side at the top that states that 100,ooo - 150,ooo blacks served in the CSA military forces. (the one that PROVES that you KNOWINGLY LIED about what Blackerby's book states!)

Sorry that page does not exist. But in order to prove that I really have the book please pick any page number at random and I'll scan it in and post it. And when you get that copy of the book...again...then you can scan in that page that says 100,000 to 150,ooo blacks served the CSA military forces and prove that I'm lying. Deal?

136 posted on 03/23/2009 4:11:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
you never did explain HOW you bought a book from a company that stated to me that they had NONE for sale for over THREE YEARS.- i had had it on my "wish list" for a long time. (DYs just must be MIRACLE WORKERS to be able to buy things that don't exist. = sarcasm button: ON.)

Since I obviously have the book, then don't you think that your continous claims that ebay hasn't sold a copy for over THREE YEARS is obviously false? But don't take my scan of the cover alone as proof. Like I said, give me a page number and I'll scan it in and post it. Let's see once and for all who's telling the truth and who's been caught in a lie. Again.

137 posted on 03/23/2009 5:58:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexConfederate1861
Freeing the slaves wasn’t worth the lives of 180,000 men.

But fighting to keep them in slavery was?

138 posted on 03/23/2009 5:59:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: BnBlFlag
You make N-S sound like a Southern Advocate.

I keep forgetting, didn't you once tell me never to respond to one of your replies? If so, then how about doing me the courtesy of not using my screen name in one of your attempts to insult another member?

139 posted on 03/23/2009 6:02:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I never told you never to not respond to any of my replies. You have me confused with someone else. Get your facts straight, please.


140 posted on 03/23/2009 6:49:52 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
fwiw, "N-S", are being laughed AT by those of us who have dealt with your KNOWING, hate-FILLED, arrogant, shameLESS LIES for years.

can you explain WHY Ebay's representative told me that they had had NONE for sale & yet you claim to have bought a copy that they did NOT have??? (NO??? i thought NOT.)

to all: it is the NATURE of a DAMNyankee to LIE, just as it is the NATURE of a serpent to slither on the ground.-- in the case of "Non-Sequitur", he is known on FR as "The DAMNyankee Minister of Propaganda" & as the leader of "The DAMNyankee Coven of lunatics, nitwits, LIARS, fools, bigots, antisemites & south-HATERS".

free dixie,sw

141 posted on 03/23/2009 8:18:55 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
can you explain WHY Ebay's representative told me that they had had NONE for sale & yet you claim to have bought a copy that they did NOT have??? (NO??? i thought NOT.)

Because you're lying about that.

I have the book. I can prove I have the book. I am stating for the record that your claim that Blackerby talks about 100,000 to 150,000 blacks in confederate ranks is a complete lie on your part. Now, prove be wrong.

142 posted on 03/23/2009 8:23:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexConfederate1861
actually the number of DEAD Americans from direct combat & the indirect consequences of the war was about a MILLION people, including TENS of THOUSANDS of blacks (both slave & free), who were "liberated from being alive" by the invading DY horde.

NO amount of soap & water will wash the innocent blood from the hands of the DYs.

free dixie,sw

143 posted on 03/23/2009 8:23:19 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
why of course you are 100% perfect & everyone, who points out that you are a LIAR, is always 100% wrong.(sarcasm button: ON)

the FACTS are that your reputation on FR is WELL-established as that of a propagandist for the most extreme of DY revisionists/LIAR.- nothing you can do will change your reputation.

you make BHO look like "an honorable man ".

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

144 posted on 03/23/2009 8:30:30 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
why of course you are 100% perfect & everyone, who points out that you are a LIAR, is always 100% wrong.

I am giving you the chance to prove me a liar. Give me the page number where Blackerby claims there were 100,000 to 150,000 blacks in confederate ranks. I will scan that page and post the image and we'll see who's the liar and who isn't.

145 posted on 03/23/2009 8:48:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stainlessbanner

Ping


146 posted on 03/23/2009 8:50:07 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: stand watie
Well, look what the cat dragged in. By the way, I have a copy of Blacks in Blue and Gray as well, which I bought off AbeBooks or Bibliofind or one of the other used book sites about five years ago.


147 posted on 03/23/2009 9:11:48 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Non-Sequitur
laughing AT you.

the FACT is that i just re-ordered the book from Inter-library Loan. (just for YOU, i made a trip to the county library, so that i can "rub your nose in" your LIE.)

as you are smart enough to KNOW, i cannot remember page numbers, any more than you can remember buying your book from EBAY, since they HAD none to sell, LIAR. (fwiw, i believe the eBay "customer service representative" over the "word of honor" of a known/confirmed DAMNyankee propagandist/LIAR.)

free dixie,sw

148 posted on 03/23/2009 9:27:39 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: IrishCatholic
reread mt post #68, please.

you answered (or "ducked" because you didn't want to answer it) a question that i didn't ask.

for simplicity's sake, i'll ask it another way: Do YOU believe that some people DESERVE an eternity IN HELL???

i can think of many persons, both living & dead, who deserve(d) it.

start with billy sherman, the destroyer, for one & ben (THE BEAST) butler for another.

free dixie,sw

149 posted on 03/23/2009 9:38:11 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
the FACT is that i just re-ordered the book from Inter-library Loan. (just for YOU, i made a trip to the county library, so that i can "rub your nose in" your LIE.)

Terriffic! So when can we expect that page number? The one on which Blackerby claims 100,000 to 150,000 blacks in the rebel ranks?

150 posted on 03/23/2009 9:53:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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