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Question: Why Are We Not Impeaching Obama Now?
March 26, 2009 | abigail2

Posted on 03/26/2009 1:08:53 AM PDT by abigail2

I am just wondering, can anyone tell me why are we not impeaching Obama now, before he does anymore damage?

I am no expert but what is needed to impeach a president. Can anyone here explain what is needed?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: crimes; impeachment; impeachobama; obama
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1 posted on 03/26/2009 1:08:53 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

What has he done that fits the charge?


2 posted on 03/26/2009 1:09:55 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: abigail2
I am no expert but what is needed to impeach a president. Can anyone here explain what is needed?

A willing Congress.

3 posted on 03/26/2009 1:10:00 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: abigail2

Because Congress is Democrat controlled. Next question?


4 posted on 03/26/2009 1:10:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: abigail2

The GOP would have to win the House and Senate.


5 posted on 03/26/2009 1:10:36 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: sten; Cobra64; SuperLuminal; Caipirabob; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; Beckwith; TYVets; FreedomPoster; ...

Has anyone heard of anyone working on impeachment? After we impeach the One, why don’t we impeach Pelosi, Frank etc.


6 posted on 03/26/2009 1:12:19 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: Cementjungle

Oh, THAT! Lets just start impeaching everyone.


7 posted on 03/26/2009 1:14:05 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: Mobile Vulgus

He has not shown us his birth certificate for one.


8 posted on 03/26/2009 1:15:15 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

Good luck, with the Rats in charge. /s>


9 posted on 03/26/2009 1:15:38 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for Obama: One Bad Ass Mistake America)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Is there nothing we can do then?


10 posted on 03/26/2009 1:16:04 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2
When you don't have a majority in either house of Congress, there's not much chance of putting something through it which needs a supermajority. But as an academic exercise, what charge would you lay?

What we really need is a new electorate which would not sell its vote. Because the actual charge would have to be bribery - bribing the voters with government money. And self-dealing by sending billions of government money to his own political organization, ACORN.

Fat chance of indicting him on that charge! Your grand jury, the House of Representatives, voted for the bill without even looking at it!!


11 posted on 03/26/2009 1:17:21 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Well, I guess I asked and got the answer. What about checks and balances.


12 posted on 03/26/2009 1:19:32 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2
"high crimes and misdemeanors"

As someone else said, "a willing Congress". That means a House of Reps that will "impeach" (simple majority), mean "charge" Obama with "high crimes and misdemeanors" and then a Senate that will vote to convict (2/3 majority).

At this point, we're not even in the same universe of this being a possibility. The GOP suffered after attempting to oust Clinton, so the GOP will be very hesitant to go down that road again. It would have to be such a clear-cut case, that even democrats would vote for it, and if that be the case, it's likely Obama would resign.
13 posted on 03/26/2009 1:20:08 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: abigail2

With luck and pressure, the birth issue might be pushed to a ruling by the Supreme Court. If that ends up with a thumbs down for Obama (rather unlikely given the loosening modern standards for natural born citizenship) then we’d probably see him quit and Biden take the helm, and a flurry of clean-up legislation take place to grandfather in what Obama did. If Obama was a goof, Biden will be a goof squared.

To get impeachment, vote in whatever Republicans you can as soon as you can. Of course Obama might be voted out in 2012 too, making the point moot.


14 posted on 03/26/2009 1:22:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: abigail2

Since he acts like a king, we need to depose him.


15 posted on 03/26/2009 1:22:37 AM PDT by syriacus (Who else but a sociopath attempts gallows humor in front of his victims?)
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To: GLDNGUN

Maybe there is something we can do to get Obama to explode or somehow expose his real self.....


16 posted on 03/26/2009 1:22:50 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: syriacus
  Since he acts like a king, we need to depose him.

but don't forget to deport him!! :)
17 posted on 03/26/2009 1:26:29 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Obama knows what he is doing, you can see it in his face. He is destroying the nation and he loves it. I can see how we could not have an election 2012. He could arrange it somehow. This is so crazy.


18 posted on 03/26/2009 1:26:49 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

The next check comes from a challenge to a law enacted by congress and put into effect. You need to have a real controversy about how the law is actually applied to a real person before someone has standing to bring a suit claiming the law is unconstitutional. In other words, the process of checks and balances is slow. In a situation like this where Obama is shoving his agenda through with breakneck speed, it is really handicapped but it is nevertheless the system put in place by the Founding Fathers. A case might make it through the legal system before the next formal check, called national elections, but it is doubtful. Actually the public backlash is a check all by itself and will be the most effective move against Obama. Put him and his minions in fear of reelection and you can apply the brakes.

This system is the best we have and shouldn’t be rushed. One of the problems we have run into in the last several years is this tendency on the part of our elected representatives (who were supposed to be the cool head of the republic) to react on emotions alone. We should not do the same.


19 posted on 03/26/2009 1:26:55 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: abigail2

You need an impeachable offense and a Congress that agrees to impeach. It would be more practical to work toward a decent Congress in 2010. In CA, you can start by supporting Dana Walsh against Nancy Pelosi.

http://www.danawalshforcongress.com

At the federal level the process to impeach an official is spelled out in the Constitution. If treason, bribery or other high crimes or misdemeanors are committed by those we have elected to our federal government—the President, Vice President, federal judges and cabinet members—they can be impeached. You can’t impeach members of the House or Senate, since these bodies handle member misconduct.


20 posted on 03/26/2009 1:27:08 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: abigail2

Not with this MSM cover. I think we are past the point of no return quite honestly. Look at the one portion of the economy which has been booming. The training is coming to a halt, whether off a cliff or into a wall of resistance, I dunno, but this cannot go on forever. Gird your loins.


21 posted on 03/26/2009 1:27:21 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: abigail2
What about checks and balances.

What about it? With a heavily democratic congress, the legislative branch is not going to be much of a "check" on a leftist executive branch (President). The judicial branch (Supreme Court) has the ability to declare something unconstitutional IF a case comes before them.

While it's a million-to-one shot at this point, the best chance of getting Obama out of office before the next election is to prove in court that he is not constitutionally eligible to serve as President. We would certainly be in uncharted water at that point.

Would a democrat Congress try to ram something through to make him eligible?

Would Biden become President?

Would Biden also be ineligible since it was an Obama/Biden ticket that ran and got elected?

Would Pelosi as SOTH become President?

Would Congress conduct an election (and the Senate for VP)???
22 posted on 03/26/2009 1:29:56 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: SumProVita; abigail2

Thanks for that consice, but informative post. I had no idea. I think that there will be NO brakes applied, however, this group is running the gauntlet in hopes of dodging any opposition like a twisted “American Gladiator,” as long as they get through intact, they’ve won the game. At least until someone slams “Reset.” Just my opinion.


23 posted on 03/26/2009 1:30:29 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: abigail2
Jim Tedisco is the Republican candidate for 20th New York Congressional District:

http://www.jimtedisco.com/

24 posted on 03/26/2009 1:32:51 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: caseinpoint

Good post thanks. So you are saying to challenge the constitutionality of a law you have to have a person to whom it is applied sue. Well, I am glad I posted this because I am learning alot.


25 posted on 03/26/2009 1:32:51 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: JDW11235

They may make some effective plays, but they will NOT win the game. ;-)

Cal for Reform in 2010!!!


26 posted on 03/26/2009 1:33:34 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: GLDNGUN

I know of very little in law, but pretty sure the electoral process would uphold Biden being chosen as vice president. Biden would be more likely to willingly yield to Pelosi than for him to be forced out too.

Just getting Justice Kennedy to uphold a technicality on natural born citizenship (the alleged scenario was that Obama’s mama intended to give birth in Hawaii, but was barred from traveling and gave birth in Kenya, then she brought Barack to Hawaii and got him recorded there “as if” born) would be a major feat.


27 posted on 03/26/2009 1:34:50 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: SumProVita

I will support Ms Walsh no problem. THanks. I didn’t know you couldn’t impeach a member of congress.


28 posted on 03/26/2009 1:36:23 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: JDW11235

That’s what I want to know.....WHERE’S THE RESET BUTTON?!


29 posted on 03/26/2009 1:37:45 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

The Constitution specifies “High crimes and misdemeanors”. You or I might not like what he’s doing, and may consider it a crime against America, but it has to fit the description in the Constitution, which is a pretty high bar.


30 posted on 03/26/2009 1:39:40 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: SumProVita; abigail2

I believe you’re missing the mark FRiend, if you think we have that long before the first wave of dissent, I feel you’re mistaken. I personally believe there will be a flare up and subsequent reform. Voting will be run by Venezuelan polling machins and ACORN registered dead goldfish. Oh wait, that’s how we got here.


32 posted on 03/26/2009 1:41:17 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: abigail2

Because the system you thought worked, is actually broken. Too many parts either can’t function or refuse to function. The America you thought existed, is just that now...a thought.

The glass has dropped. We are currently existing in the silence between the action and the catastrophic explosion of glass and liquid.

Pray for the troops, know who your friends are, hug your family, have a reliable water supply, and buy lead while dollars still have buying power.


35 posted on 03/26/2009 1:50:51 AM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: abigail2

Because the Kenyan wrote an executive order eliminating the impeachment laws.

The Kenyan believes that this is ‘a necessary and vital move towards ending the recession’.


36 posted on 03/26/2009 1:56:29 AM PDT by Boucheau ("...if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher." Abe)
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To: ScubieNuc

The world muddles through its day with surprisingly less than America has. I anticipate a whimper end, not a bang end. The Bible gives almost no hint of the existence of America during the chaotic end times narrative. It’s like we’ll have all the impact of, say, South Africa.


37 posted on 03/26/2009 1:57:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: abigail2

“something we can do to get Obama to explode”

Careful, now, we’ll get the Secret Service on our butts, or worse yet, 0bama’s brownshirts.


38 posted on 03/26/2009 1:59:26 AM PDT by Boucheau ("...if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher." Abe)
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Oh, any kind of explosion would be perfectly okay with
Mathews—he’d just start calling him “The Guy.” Such an explosion would be fine with Donaldson because Donaldson is just a jerk. It would be fine with Katie and Rosie O’donnell, and Barbra and all of the Demoncrats.


39 posted on 03/26/2009 1:59:26 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Forgiveness is not my strong suit, but I'm trying . . .)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Tea Party sign;

This Is Your First Warning


We Have A Second waiting.

40 posted on 03/26/2009 1:59:58 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: JDW11235

Dissent is one thing and effectively reforming Congress is another. I’m already dissenting. I fully believe that a major tax revolt will take place before elections.

ACORN is a factor and we need to work in our various states to push for more accurate voter ID (photo, etc.). My state is working on this now.

Each state must also have a lot more conservatives actively working than previously. Organization should get going ASAP...


41 posted on 03/26/2009 2:00:17 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: ScubieNuc; abigail2

If I might add, I believe there will be hope. There is hope. I believe in the statement, “If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear.” Without going crazy, invest in yourself. Have adequate food and water to maintain yourself/family. I dunno your feelings about security, but grace has saved so many people it’s unimaginable.

Learn useful skills. Skills people will want, and that will enrich your life. Take up gardening while you still can, or canning or something.

One thing I learned from my readings. In bad situations, there are three kinds of people (in this reference): 1) Pessimists die first (Lose hope); 2) Optimists die second (Hopeless, deny the reality of their situation), 3) Realists survive, if its possible (Those who know it’s bad, focus on something, and exercise faith until the end, spiritual or temporal deliverance, or both).

Like Scubie said, pray and know your friends.


42 posted on 03/26/2009 2:00:44 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“The Bible gives almost no hint of the existence of America during the chaotic end times narrative.”

Never mind...I’m not going to say a word.................


43 posted on 03/26/2009 2:00:51 AM PDT by Boucheau ("...if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher." Abe)
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To: abigail2

That is the requirement. First of all, a law is only some words on a paper until an enforcement agency interprets and enforces its interpretation to punish you. Then you are a specifically aggrieved person with specific losses so you have an interest in fully representing the side of the challenger (as opposed to someone who has no, what Obama calls, skin in the game). The case is considered “unripe” if the law hasn’t yet been applied to someone, or “moot” if that person never had or no longer has a direct personal loss to vindicate.


44 posted on 03/26/2009 2:03:43 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: SumProVita

I agree in part. Look at California, the very idea of their Supreme Court ruling an Amendment “Unconstitutional” tells the level of corruption we are facing. I do not believe reform is possible with this type of integrated corruption.


45 posted on 03/26/2009 2:04:27 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235

There is a second kind of optimist, who sees the good in any situation even though quite aware that it is crammed with evil. He will outlast the “realist.”


46 posted on 03/26/2009 2:05:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Thanks, I think you may be right.


47 posted on 03/26/2009 2:06:17 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: JDW11235

Fornicalia’s “angels” dancing atop a pin point, are attempting to say the amendment shouldn’t have been brought into the constitution in the first place. They’re having rough hoeing, however. Seems even the Fornicalia Supremes don’t like to do that.


48 posted on 03/26/2009 2:07:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: abigail2

???

I hate to break it to you, but only the overwhelmingly scumbag Democrat House of Representatives can impeach the president. You on LSD tonight?


49 posted on 03/26/2009 2:07:57 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Boucheau; HiTech RedNeck

I personally believe it’s due to us not being as significant a player. Our existence as a major player, I have no idea, but I don’t think that that is the problem. I have no idea when endtimes will come, and I’m confident it’s unknown almost everyone, if not everyone (Leaving in the disclaimer that it is possible).

Still, few countries are named by name, and even as such, it’s not entirely relevant to what faces us now. Our existence at the time of Christ’s coming does not necessarily reflect our existence over the next 1,2,5,10, 20 or however many years. We still have lives to live and duties to preform, there’s a lot of good left to do, and pretty hard to do it in a deconstructed society. Some things are worth fighting for.


50 posted on 03/26/2009 2:09:02 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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