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Dallas police delayed NFL player as relative died
The Associated Press ^ | March, 26, 2009 | The Associated Press

Posted on 03/26/2009 8:04:11 AM PDT by goodolemr

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To: stlronpaulkid

I think refuting your point is the equivalent of teaching a pig to sing.

Or, alternatively, the old maxim about arguing with a fool.

In any case, if you drink that much koolaid, it will permanently stain your mind-er...tongue. Probably too late.


41 posted on 03/26/2009 9:53:34 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: ken5050; Hacklehead; goodolemr

Placing a mindless red light above human intelligence in the wee hours of the morning is socialist - statist insanity.

Any experienced cop would have simply said “carry on.”


42 posted on 03/26/2009 10:03:48 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: goodolemr
I think the cop should have taken him to jail for being stupid. He could have just gotten the ticket and been inside if he had just given the the cop the insurance and license. He also ran stop signs. The cop was a jerk but it is easier to just get the ticket than to try to fight verbally to get out of it.
43 posted on 03/26/2009 10:19:48 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: goodolemr
“He was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car,” said his wife, Tamishia Moats. “It was the weirdest feeling because I’ve never had a gun pointed at me before under those circumstances.”

Huh???

44 posted on 03/26/2009 10:31:49 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Ratman83

Watch the video or read the ESPN article. Moats tried repeatedly to get the officer to just give him a ticket, but the officer kept stalling.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4017382


45 posted on 03/26/2009 10:39:48 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Not at first. He was not cooperative and that just made it worse later.


46 posted on 03/26/2009 10:49:01 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: OL Hickory

Thanks for the link to the video. IMO, that cop was completely out of line and purposely delayed the situation. Could be a power trip, racial issue, just being an idiot... I would have walked/ran into the hospital and dealt with it later.


47 posted on 03/26/2009 11:42:22 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Hacklehead
“The Moatses, who are black, said they can’t help but think that race might have played a part in how Powell, who is white, treated them.”
The cop stops the guy for running a red light, a passenger flees the scene, the guy is uncooperative and argumentative. He is not beaten, cursed, or abused. He gets a ticket. Now the cop’s job is at risk because someone plays the race card.
In another article it says that Moats stopped at the light, turned on his flashers, and proceeded with caution. When flagged by the cop, he pulled into the hospital lot and stopped. The passenger "flees" into the hospital telling the objecting cop, "My mom is dying!"

The driver cooperated as much as you or anyone else would when under the duress of that moment. The cop threatened to take the driver to jail for pleading the exigency of the moment and requesting compassion. Authorities come out of the hospital to request that the driver come into the hospital. The cop continued to delay writing a ticket, which was ultimately torn up, until after the driver's mother-in-law died. Most or all of the above is on videotape.

Was the cop trying to promote public safety? I say that was the last thing on his mind. You can never prove it was not racism, and you have to assume that no black learning of the story will think otherwise. That is no way to promote public safety, it's a recipe for hostility toward law enforcement in particular and white people in general. And you are glad there a people like that on your police force? Thanks a lot!

I would add that the cop was trolling for tickets in an excellent place to generate exactly this sort of incident.


48 posted on 03/26/2009 11:52:34 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: ken5050

Police around here would escort them to the hospital.


49 posted on 03/26/2009 11:58:32 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Job 19:25 As for me, I know my Redeemer lives.)
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To: goodolemr
I watched the video and have a few comments before reading the thread:

1. Why do people think that you can drive like a maniac and park anywhere you want, as long as you have on your emergency flashers?

2. This is typical of any stop, in any city, on any night, except that an NFL player was involved. I don't like it, but this is what cops do. (I'm not referring to giving tickets. I'm referring to lecturing you and purposely delaying you longer than necessary.)

3. In the video, someone from the hospital comes out and says that they need Moates to sign some papers to do a procedure. Since when does a hospital need a son-in-law to sign something before helping a old lady who is coding?

50 posted on 03/26/2009 2:25:15 PM PDT by TankerKC (Revenge and Envy--the new Principles of Freerepublic?)
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To: DariusBane
Cops treat EVERYONE that way.

I'm a 45 year old white male, and that has been my experience.

51 posted on 03/26/2009 2:28:30 PM PDT by TankerKC (Revenge and Envy--the new Principles of Freerepublic?)
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To: TankerKC

Yes, and apparently that’s how your neighbors like it to be!


52 posted on 03/26/2009 2:30:46 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: ken5050

Another apologetic written for a tyrannical State. This crap goes on every night in every big city in this country and everybody just thinks it’s just fine. Take a look at the give and take. Do you really think the officer had no alternatives given they were in walking distance of the Hospital. He could have escorted them. But the day we the people empowered overlords for ourselves this is what we get. Soft tyranny. I say end it and de-fund the State, but I know that 99.9% of my neighbors don’t trust THEMSELVES to be good citizens, much less me. Take a look at the transcript:

Shut your mouth,” Powell told him. “You can cooperate and settle down, or I can just take you to jail for running a red light.”

There was more back and forth.

“If you’re going to give me a ticket, give me a ticket.”

“Your attitude says that you need one.”

“All I’m asking you is just to hurry up.”

Powell began a lecture.

“If you want to keep this going, I’ll just put you in handcuffs,” the officer said, “and I’ll take you to jail for running a red light.”

Powell made several more points, including that the SUV was illegally parked. Moats replied “Yes sir” to each.

“Understand what I can do,” Powell concluded. “I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult.”

“I understand,” Moats responded. “I hope you’ll be a great person and not do that.”

Hospital security guards arrived and told Powell that the Moatses’ relative really was upstairs dying.

Powell spent several minutes inside his squad car, in part to check Moats for outstanding warrants. He found none.

Another hospital staffer came out and spoke with a Plano police officer who had arrived.


53 posted on 03/26/2009 2:39:50 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Watch the video. The account you write is not quite accurate.
54 posted on 03/26/2009 2:49:33 PM PDT by TankerKC (Revenge and Envy--the new Principles of Freerepublic?)
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To: DariusBane
Yes, and apparently that’s how your neighbors like it to be.

If FR is a good sample, I guess that is true.

55 posted on 03/26/2009 3:11:10 PM PDT by TankerKC (Revenge and Envy--the new Principles of Freerepublic?)
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To: TankerKC

Athenian Democracy at work my friend. They warned us about this you know. The loyalist to the Crown said they would rather have a tyrant on the other side of the Atlantic than be oppressed by their neighbors.


56 posted on 03/26/2009 3:18:43 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: goodolemr

I think the officer is going to have a real problem. Because of this incident, he will be reluctant to be aggressive with minority suspects. A moment’s hesitation could be fatal.


57 posted on 03/26/2009 3:19:26 PM PDT by Nachoman (Think of life as an adventure you don't survive.)
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To: Nachoman

Not more of this cr@p. Racism created the police environment we are subjected with today, and zero tolerance turns the guns on everybody else.


58 posted on 03/26/2009 3:30:30 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Arrowhead1952

Wasn’t it Clintoon and Reno thathandled Waco, ans Elian Gonzalez (spelling is for wussies)


59 posted on 03/26/2009 4:11:20 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: TankerKC
Watch the video. The account you write is not quite accurate.
I watched the video. The cop knew perfectly well what he was doing - which was being arrogant, threatening, and disrespectful to a citizen over a trifle while the man's relative was dying. Including being threatening to the man's wife when she told him that her mother was dying in the hospital in whose lot the car was stopped. While at no time was the cop being threatened or even getting an attitude from the citizen.

When the chief has to publicly apologize for your behavior - as well he should have - you are not exactly putting yourself on the fast track to promotion. At best, that cop is going to be on the least desirable assignments the chief can find until he quits. And rightly so.


60 posted on 03/26/2009 4:25:34 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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