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States consider drug tests for welfare recipients
My Way ^ | Mar 26, 2008 | TOM BREEN

Posted on 03/26/2009 10:35:26 AM PDT by GOPGuide

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In the past, such efforts have been stymied by legal and cost concerns, said Christine Nelson, a program manager with the National Conference of State Legislatures. But states' bigger fiscal crises, and the surging demand for public assistance, could change that.

"It's an example of where you could cut costs at the expense of a segment of society that's least able to defend themselves," said Frank Crabtree, executive director of the West Virginia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Drug testing is not the only restriction envisioned for people receiving public assistance: a bill in the Tennessee Legislature would cap lottery winnings for recipients at $600.

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Particularly troubling to some policy analysts is the drive to drug test people collecting unemployment insurance, whose numbers nationwide now exceed 5.4 million, the highest total on records dating back to 1967.

"It doesn't seem like the kind of thing to bring up during a recession," said Ron Haskins, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. "People who are unemployed, who have lost their job, that's a sympathetic group. Americans are tuned into that, because they're worried they'll be next."

Indeed, these proposals are coming at a time when more Americans find themselves in need of public assistance.

Although the number of TANF recipients has stayed relatively stable at 3.8 million in the last year, claims for unemployment benefits and food stamps have soared.

In December, more than 31.7 million Americans were receiving food stamp benefits, compared with 27.5 million the year before.

The link between public assistance and drug testing stems from the Congressional overhaul of welfare in the 1990s, which allowed states to implement drug testing as a condition of receiving help.

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To: GOPGuide
Back when I worked in Public Health, there were a couple of 'blind' tests done where our maternity clients urine was tested for drugs and as expected, some were positive. I asked why nothing was done about it and was told that at least they were seeking some prenatal care.

As much as I hate to say it.. There are kids that depend on those welfare checks to sustain life, regardless if mom uses or not. If only adults getting money was at stake, I'd be for it even tho I'm against being asked to submit my urine, without cause, for employment.

41 posted on 03/26/2009 11:10:32 AM PDT by sweet_diane (embracing Him.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Funny thing; legally would it stand up. ACLU would fight it tooth and nail, but in NY (the most liberal state after Massachusetts) they will kick grannies out of the projects because grand baby is selling dope on the grounds of the project. See a lot of these teenage or 20 somethings are living with their grannies—and this has stood in the NY courts. I personally think it’s harsh, the law should be amended for granny to have an opportunity to remedy the situation (kicking the bum out)instead of her being on the street.


42 posted on 03/26/2009 11:14:53 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (First Atlas Shrugged, now he's screaming bloody murder)
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To: GOPGuide
LOL! Oh yeah, this will go over like a pregnant pole-vaulter!

That being said; it's a GREAT idea! That money they're getting is supposed to be used to feed, clothe and house their families, not be wasted on crack, heroin, or weed.

43 posted on 03/26/2009 11:18:09 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: GOPGuide

For it!


44 posted on 03/26/2009 11:23:28 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: GOPGuide

Against it for unemployment insurance.

For welfare? Leaving aside the legitimacy of Welfare, I’d have to think about it. There are unknowns and unintended consequences. Increased crime, increased homelessness, perhaps increased illness and death. All of that, plus the unknowns, will have to be dealt with—or not. “Or not” may be the correct course, but is the public willing to do that?ha will they propose instead? W


45 posted on 03/26/2009 11:23:41 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: GOPGuide
It will be difficult to enforce when you can buy a clean-out kit anywhere.

How many chances will we give the welfare recipients when they fail? How many times can they fail?

When they do fail and we cut off funding, how much funding will we allocate for security for the workers at welfare offices?

46 posted on 03/26/2009 11:28:40 AM PDT by TheThinker (Even though Obama is President, I'm more American than that imposter will ever be.)
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To: babyfreep
My daughter and I were behind a lady in the grocery line yesterday who paid with a foodstamp card. She was loading groceries in a Jaguar when we walked out.

This was not necessarily a food stamp benefit. In certain states, the "EBT" card is used to distribute various kinds of payments for services, such as foster care and guardianship.

47 posted on 03/26/2009 11:35:32 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: GOPGuide
Test every member of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Executive branch!

They get my money too.....

48 posted on 03/26/2009 11:36:43 AM PDT by Species8472 (The evil has landed)
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To: GOPGuide

Against


49 posted on 03/26/2009 11:38:34 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: GOPGuide
Drug testing is not the only restriction envisioned for people receiving public assistance: a bill in the Tennessee Legislature would cap lottery winnings for recipients at $600.

uh ... Exsqueeze me but if they hit the jackpot wouldn't you want the OFF of WELFARE?

But hey, if you're going to take all their winnings over $600.00 why not just pass a law saying they can't play the lottery at all. Brand a big 'W' on their foreheads so all the merchants know no Lotto tickets for them.

Or better yet just have a gubmint worker stationed in ALL welfare recipients homes and they can order what these folks can spend their money on. Naturally the main concern would be food, so no cookies, cakes, or popcorn. Just gubmint cheese and crackers and for Sunday they get gubmint gruel to feast on.

Or the ultimate control for the gubmint -- just put all people on public assistance into big camps and they can pick cotton from dawn to dusk to 'earn' their keep. Ooops, wait a sec.... that was already tried, it was called Slavery and ..... Communism.

I'm NOT defending the Welfare Queens in Cadillacs whose kids have $300.00 sneakers but come on, they are people with some rights left. And if they want to buy $5.00 worth of Lotto tickets instead of gubmint approved stale bread, so be it.

50 posted on 03/26/2009 11:39:00 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: GOPGuide

I’d pass a different law: No drug testing of anybody for any reason unless the Legislature is tested too.


51 posted on 03/26/2009 12:00:05 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Domandred
For that matter I’ve seen em buy smokes and booze too.

You can't buy smokes and booze on food stamps. It is not physically possible in PA.

52 posted on 03/26/2009 12:11:21 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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To: GOPGuide

Are you for it or against it?

Against. War on Drugs is a complete joke. This measure is unconstitutional ... along with the scheduling laws currently on the books.

When we talk about welfare, exactly what are we referring to? If you are referring to people on disability, or unemployment, or single mothers on WIC, or the few cases of individuals needing food assistance, ... “welfare” is acceptable ...

If you mean “welfare” as in the check they give to people who have no problems or issues with health, or family, live in cities and hang out on street corners, and watch TV all day long without paying attention to their children, then welfare should be eliminated.


53 posted on 03/26/2009 12:16:27 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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To: GOPGuide
This issue came up during Lyndon Johnson's Guns and Butter program. Reporters went to welfare homes(Yep they really did,) and pointed out the beer stored in refrigerators. To be honest some still had ice boxes.

Johnson, said it was none of our business what these poor people did with their (notice not our) money.

54 posted on 03/26/2009 12:18:10 PM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Obama it is then.)
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To: dirtman

Excellent!

How old are they if I may ask? I’m considering doing the same thanks to your suggestion.

Don’t forget The Banana Splits and the School House Rock collection.


55 posted on 03/26/2009 12:20:57 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: atomic_dog
Being pushed by drug test vendors. We need to stop the drug war insanity

I despise so called "conservatives" who support unconstitutional restrictions of freedom and liberty such as the War on Drugs.

I am not to happy with the 60 - 70, 80's crowd of individuals who we can thank for such unconstitutional and restrictive laws involving drugs ...

It is hard to stop such insanity while half of our side supports the government fed propaganda ... and more and more generations of people fall victim to more lies about the WOD.

56 posted on 03/26/2009 12:22:11 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I bought the silver anniversary edition of SHR,
and my little ones LOVE it.

The two year old is singing “Reginald was home with the flu, ah uh uh!”


57 posted on 03/26/2009 12:23:30 PM PDT by MrB (irreconcilable: One of two or more conflicting ideas or beliefs that cannot be brought into harmony.)
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To: capt. norm
I know a number of people who live off welfare and are heavy marijuana smokers.....spending day & night stoned.

Really? A "number" of them?

I don't anyone on welfare. Guess I need to get out more.

58 posted on 03/26/2009 12:23:56 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: steve86

hmmmm - Sort of like getting a “gift card”...maybe it was.
I don’t know what Texas does.
It just looked funny to both of us.


59 posted on 03/26/2009 12:26:05 PM PDT by babyfreep
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To: texson66
BS! Why should some druggie get welfare (our tax money)?

No alcoholic beverages either ... Or tobacco.

They are both drugs which cause harm ... alcohol immediately, tobacco over many plus years ... Both are legal and sell in stores, making them available for all ...

Many people on welfare smoke tobacco and drink alcohol ...

This should be stopped as well if they are targeting illegal drug users ...

People on welfare should not be allowed to purchase those items as they could not afford them without the cash assistance ...

Why should only street drugs be targeted? Alcohol And tobacco are two of the top widely abused drugs in the world ... many people on welfare spend lots of money on them ...

Not to many people mention these facts ...

Many Freepers smoke tobacco and drink alcohol ... I wonder if that would influence their opinion on the matter ...

Nahh ... They wouldn't do that /s

60 posted on 03/26/2009 12:32:01 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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