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Evolution foes facing setback
San Antonio Express News ^ | 3/27/09 | Gary Scharrer

Posted on 03/27/2009 6:23:20 AM PDT by laotzu

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To: laotzu
Strength of evolution?

It allows for accurate explanation and prediction of natural phenomena involved in the changing of living organisms in response to environmental pressures.

Weakness of evolution?

It refuses to confirm the absolutist literal interpretation of those with weak religious faith.

41 posted on 03/27/2009 7:32:29 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Shadowfax

I would challenge anyone that tries to hold this position to give me an example of a discovery that couldn’t have been made if approached from the mindset of “let’s try to figure out how & why God created this structure or system in this manner”

as opposed to “let’s see how/why natural selection produced this system or structure”.


42 posted on 03/27/2009 7:32:37 AM PDT by MrB (irreconcilable: One of two or more conflicting ideas or beliefs that cannot be brought into harmony.)
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To: sometime lurker; Caesar Soze
You two seem to think that discussing weaknesses takes many hours of time; a few minutes (less than 10) is what happens.

I assume y'all never discussed the problems with Einstein's theory of relativity, nor talked about Nicolai Tesla's competing theories, nor the ..

I suppose since you had an impoverished education, you want everyone else to also.

Something you dogmatic Darwinists just don't get is ID is NOT antithetical to evolution; it merely states that Macro-evolution cannot happen by pure chance alone!!! It makes the proposition that some other, as yet undiscovered, natural law governs the process. (Yes, it also means that we have a CREATOR! Which is the main reason it is an anathema to the Darwinists.)

43 posted on 03/27/2009 7:33:58 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

The implications of a Creator are... well... deadly.


44 posted on 03/27/2009 7:35:11 AM PDT by MrB (irreconcilable: One of two or more conflicting ideas or beliefs that cannot be brought into harmony.)
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To: TerP26

Yes, Pope Benedict XVI said that evolution is a “fact” which enriches our understanding of life and being and such.


45 posted on 03/27/2009 7:35:27 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: raygunfan

Absolute drivel!

Not a syllable of truth in that misguided utterance


46 posted on 03/27/2009 7:36:42 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Yes, faith just simply isn't enough to those of weak faith and weak minds who attempt to PROVE God in the laboratory, or indicate that HIS province is merely the “gaps” in our knowledge.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

No need to “seek” God, or to have “faith” in “evidence of things not seen”; if you have ironclad “proof” (in your own mind at least) that the natural world needs the supporting hand of God to exist.

47 posted on 03/27/2009 7:38:29 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: laotzu
Genuine science, by definition, must be questioned. Dogma must not.

The last chapter of Darwin's Origins book is about problems with his theory. That sounds like questioning to me.

The 'experts' agree. Much like global warming, evolution is not science.

So all those hours we spent in the biology lab doing experiments that demonstrated how gene pools change over time were not science? What were they? Home ec?

48 posted on 03/27/2009 7:38:47 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: DungeonMaster
It’s no setback to homeschoolers

Forcing anyone to pay for that which is in opposition to their religious beliefs is supposed to be unconstitutional.

Whether you force them to pay for abortions, or for marketing societys scorn & ridicule is a definite setback.

49 posted on 03/27/2009 7:39:57 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: freespirited
So all those hours we spent in the biology lab doing experiments...

You don't prove a theory by silencing dissent.

50 posted on 03/27/2009 7:51:12 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: allmendream

Maybe I’m still not awake, but your post is confusing.
Are you saying that my faith is weak, or that I’m trying to
“PROVE God in the laboratory”?

I am neither weak nor trying to prove anything; I am a rational man that examines evidence objectively. If I find a strange and very complex artifact while digging, I may not know anything about it or how it was made, but I can clearly see that it was MADE by something with enough intelligence to do so.

Oh yes, as a rational man, I also KNOW God exists.


51 posted on 03/27/2009 7:53:58 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: laotzu
No theory is ever proven. There is no proof of a scientific theory. There is evidence for and evidence against the theory.

The place for “dissent” of a highly useful theory utilized throughout the scientific subject under discussion is not in the High School class room.

In High School Biology class they are there to learn and understand the theories and techniques that Biologists use in their work. Not listen to the ravings of crackpot dissenters who think that the Flintstones was an accurate portrayal of man living contemporaneously with dinosaurs.

52 posted on 03/27/2009 7:56:57 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Moonman62
I especially like the debates about whether the Earth is flat

Ah, yes. The old 'flat-earthers', and 'the debate is over, no more debate' strategy.

Al Gore really has brought so many good things to the table.

53 posted on 03/27/2009 7:57:28 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
The entire Incompetent Design movement is an attempt to prove God in the laboratory or confine God to the “gaps” in our knowledge of physical phenomena.

Hard to “seek” God, or have faith in the “evidence of things not seen”; if you claim to have observed reproducible laboratory evidence that God exists.

I have faith that God exists.

54 posted on 03/27/2009 8:00:18 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
No theory is ever proven

Wow. Just....just...just, damn.

Einstein. What a moron, eh?

55 posted on 03/27/2009 8:00:27 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: MrB
No problem, remove that part of our property taxes.

No problem, elect legislators who would do just that.

56 posted on 03/27/2009 8:01:32 AM PDT by dmz
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To: laotzu
How do you get from one to the other?

Just because Einsteins theory of relativity will never be “proven” doesn't make him a moron. His theory is highly useful in explaining and predicting physical phenomena and is more accurate than the theories it refined; Newton's theories of motion.

If something in science was determined to be “proven”, then when contradictory evidence arises, what is to be done with it?

Everything in science is accepted provisionally, awaiting conflicting or refining data.

That is simply how science works. Something that those who reject science and the scientific method are apparently unwilling to attempt to understand.

57 posted on 03/27/2009 8:04:36 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: laotzu
You don't prove a theory by silencing dissent.

You don't disprove a theory by proclaiming it is not science.

58 posted on 03/27/2009 8:17:21 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Shadowfax
1) We aren't talking about a free market system of the airwaves and forcing rejected ideas to have the same treatment as accepted, popular ideas. We're talking about a government funded monopoly that many children have no choice about attending. Such a system should be required to present alternative views.

2) We aren't talking about political commentary. We're talking about a scientific “theory” (In quotes because there's nothing scientific at all about evolution. In fact, it defies the scientific method.) that shouldn't have to be protected from its critics.

3) We aren't talking about liberals, who are all in a tizzy and fearful because they're ideas aren't popular and can't be sold to the American people no matter how they are packaged. We're talking about scientists who are in a tizzy and fearful..... Oh wait. Maybe there are some similarities.

Actually you are

1) Schools are to teach the state of scientific thought. What present day scientists are thinking, and that's not Creationism. Politicians pandering to the voters by requiring the presentation of "alternative views" is the Fairness Doctrine

2) Not talking about political commentary? Haven't you heard Creationists declaring Darwinism is "liberal" and accepting it would turn them into amoral animals.

3) It's not about making a scientific idea popular with the lumpen proletariat. Education there is to expose children to the current knowledge paradigm so that some of them will be inspired to learn and become scientists rather than lawyers

59 posted on 03/27/2009 8:19:10 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: allmendream
No theory is ever proven

Gee. So many to choose from.

How about Einstein's theory that gravity/mass bends light?

It took several years, but that theory was absolutely proven.

No theory is ever proven

Har!!

60 posted on 03/27/2009 8:21:40 AM PDT by laotzu
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