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Obama pledges $7.5 billion "down payment" to Pakistan for US security
The Times of India ^ | 27 March, 2009 | The Times of India

Posted on 03/27/2009 9:41:18 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins

WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama on Friday affirmed a tripling of US economic aid to Pakistan to $ 1.5 billion annually over the next five years, calling it a ''down payment'' for America’s future security even though he unambiguously accused the country of being a safe haven for al-Qaida and its leadership.

Obama announced what seemed like a buy-out strategy while unveiling his administration’s new Af-Pak policy in which there was a pronounced shift to Pakistan as the central front in the so-called war on terror. In an oblique indictment of Islamabad, Obama implied that Pakistan's military strategy was the root cause of trouble in Afghanistan, and Pakistani actions, or inaction, was hurting its own people and Afghans, besides threatening the whole world.

''Make no mistake: al-Qaida and its extremist allies are a cancer that risks killing Pakistan from within,'' Obama warned, even as he repeatedly expressed support for the Pakistani people and outlined policies to stabilize the troubled country. ''That is why we must focus our military assistance on the tools, training and support that Pakistan needs to root out the terrorists.''

However, in a clear message to Islamabad that it has to shape up and deliver, the US President warned that it would be held accountable for the generous aid he is requesting from Congress.

''After years of mixed results, we will not provide a blank check. Pakistan must demonstrate its commitment to rooting out al-Qaida and the violent extremists within its borders. And we will insist that action be taken – one way or another – when we have intelligence about high-level terrorist targets,'' he said.

Obama also announced that together with the United Nations, Washington will forge a new Contact Group for Afghanistan and Pakistan ''that brings together all countries who should have a stake in the security of the region,'' including India, Iran, Russia, China, Gulf nations, Central Asian states, and NATO allies. ''None of these nations benefit from a base for al-Qaida terrorists, and a region that descends into chaos. All have a stake in the promise of lasting peace and security and development,'' he said.

Obama also acknowledged in passing Pakistan’s insistence that its troublesome security outlook was tied to disputes with India, saying ''to lessen tensions between two nuclear-armed nations that too often teeter on the edge of escalation and confrontation, we (US) must pursue constructive diplomacy with both India and Pakistan.'' He did not elaborate.

The US President announced that over and above the 17,000 additional troops Washington was deploying to Afghanistan, he would be sending a further 4000 troops to train Afghan security forces whose eventual readiness to take over duties would pave way for a US withdrawal. ( Watch )

Obama was blunt in repeatedly putting Pakistan — and not Afghanistan, which he suggested was a victim — in the cross-hairs of the war on terror.

''Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida is actively planning attacks on the US. homeland from its safe-haven in Pakistan...They have used this mountainous terrain as a safe-haven to hide, train terrorists, communicate with followers, plot attacks, and send fighters to support the insurgency in Afghanistan.'' he said, adding that the future of Afghanistan is inextricably linked to the future of Pakistan.

Obama also sought to distance Washington from Pakistan’s overarching military, saying the US has great respect for the Pakistani people and empathized with their struggles and aspirations which was the same as the people all across the world.

''The single greatest threat to that future comes from al-Qaida and their extremist allies, and that is why we must stand together,'' he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; afpak; bho44; bhogwot; india; islam; islamabad; islamobama; islamobamadad; obama; pakistan
Pakistan set to reap $35 billion windfall from terrorism

26 Mar 2009, 1340 hrs IST

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/US/Pakistan-set-to-reap--35-billion-windfall-from-terrorism/articleshow/4318277.cms

WASHINGTON: Terrorism pays. That may well be the message the United States and its allies send out to the world this week as they line up billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan despite the country’s military and intelligence agencies being implicated by American officials in acts and practice of terrorism.

Ignoring confirmation about the Pakistan’s continued support and use of terrorism obtained through electronic surveillance and informants, and even brazen affirmation by Pakistani officialdom itself, the Obama administration is set to lavish a bonanza that might eventually add up to more than $ 30-$ 35 billion over the next decade.

About half the windfall will come from the US and the other half from its allies such as Japan, EU, and Gulf countries.

Washington is set to announce its largesse of around $ 15 billion of US tax-payer money in course of its new Af-Pak policy to be unveiled Friday, followed by a conference in Tokyo on April 17 of the so-called ''Friends of Pakistan'' where Islamabad is pitching for $ 10 billion.

This is in addition to the $ 7.6 billion pledged by the IMF and various donors, all at the instance of the United States, which believes Pakistan will disintegrate, with disastrous consequences all around, if it is not rescued with massive amounts of aid.

Congressional staff and sources associated with drawing up the aid package say there will be stringent conditions and tough oversight attached to the assistance, but critics of the policy regard the assurances as credulous. The Indian government has not opposed the package. ''If they (the United States) have not learned from the past, there is little we can do,'' one official said on background, referring to the Reagan era bonanza when untrammeled support for Pakistan’s military emboldened the country to adopt terrorism as a state policy.

That policy is still very much in place, going by a stunning page one New York Times account on Thursday in which Pakistani officials admit first-hand knowledge of ties between the ISI and extremists and even justify. They tell the paper that the contacts are less threatening than the American officials depict and are part of a strategy to maintain influence in Afghanistan for the day when American forces would withdraw and leave what they fear could be a power vacuum to be filled by India.

''In intelligence, you have to be in contact with your enemy or you are running blind,'' the paper quotes a senior Pakistani military officer as describing Islamabad’s strategy of backing the terrorists. But evidently, Pakistan's activity constitutes more than just contact with the enemy.

The NYT account, striking for the candid detail revealed by unnamed US and Pakistani officials, said Pakistan’s support to the Taliban and other militant outfits is coordinated by operatives inside the shadowy S Wing of the ISI. The report says the ISI also shared intelligence with Lashkar-e-Taiba accused in the Mumbai attacks and ''provided protection for it.'' It did say when this cooperation and protection took place.

But other new details reveal that the ISI is aiding a broader array of militant outfits with more diverse types of support than was previously known, even months after Pakistani officials said that the days of the ISI’s playing a double game had ended, the paper reported. One such outfit is the Haqqani network, which by American accounts bombed the Indian Embassy in Kabul with help from the ISI.

The attack killed 54 people, including an Indian diplomat and a military commander. Pakistan’s army chief Pervez Kiyani, a former ISI Director-General, subsequently described the Haqqani network as Pakistan’s ''strategic asset.''

But according to the NYT, the ISI’s S wing not only helps such networks with fuel and ammunition to fight American troops in Afghanistan, but also replenishes its ranks with recruits from madrassas in Pakistan. There is even evidence that ISI operatives meet regularly with Taliban commanders to discuss whether to intensify or scale back violence before the Afghan elections, it said.

None of this appears to have made a whit of a difference in the planned US largesse for Pakistan. If anything, US officials and analysts argue it is all the more reason to rush aid to Pakistan so that its democracy and social sector can be strengthened and it can be walked away from the abyss. ''If there is a better way to do this, we are all ears,'' a senior Congressional aide involved in the process, said. While some analysts say that Pakistan extracts aid by pointing a gun to its own head, key figures in the Washington establishment don't want to take the chance that Pakistan ends up falling into the abyss.

US officials, who typically make strenuous effort to shield the Pakistani leadership from charges of fomenting terrorism, maintain that mid-level ISI operatives cultivate relationships that are not approved by their bosses. They say it is unlikely that top officials in Islamabad are directly coordinating the clandestine efforts. But Pakistani officials themselves appear to scoff at American credulity in the NYT report, saying it is part of their long term strategy to keep their options open when the U.S withdraws from Afghanistan.

That expectation got a boost this week when US President Barack Obama spoke of an ''exit strategy'' in Afghanistan. Although Obama did not specifically refer to any troop withdrawals (on the contrary, he has just directed induction of 17,000 more troops), the fact that Washington is even contemplating an exit strategy seems to justify Pakistan’s outlook of keeping its Taliban and terrorism powder dry.

1 posted on 03/27/2009 9:41:18 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Is this before or after he attacks them? Didn’t he say he’d attack our allies and negotiate with our enemies?


2 posted on 03/27/2009 9:42:35 AM PDT by sappy
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Hussein lurves the Taliban!


3 posted on 03/27/2009 9:43:08 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

That’s $1.5 billion that will get funneled to the very people we’re trying to defeat.


4 posted on 03/27/2009 9:43:20 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Slapshot68

$ 1.5 Billion will go a long, long way in Afghanistan / Pakistan.


5 posted on 03/27/2009 9:44:28 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

No it won’t - where did our money ever go a long way when given away by the government.


6 posted on 03/27/2009 9:47:16 AM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
I seem to remember Obama trashing Bush for giving aide to Pakistan when he was a candidate. From the Chicago Sun-Times
7 posted on 03/27/2009 9:48:13 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Slapshot68

BINGO!!


8 posted on 03/27/2009 9:48:54 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: sappy

Send it in Zimbabwe dollars.


9 posted on 03/27/2009 9:50:45 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Suicide bombers never have the guts to try it twice.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Another reason NOT to pay your taxes.


10 posted on 03/27/2009 9:56:46 AM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Slapshot68

That’s $1.5 Billion a year for five years. Where is he going to get this money? From our taxes. All he has to do is tell Pakistan to handle their problem and we will handle ours. No money should change hands. This guy is going to break this country, one way or another.


11 posted on 03/27/2009 9:57:23 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Funbobbasso)
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To: edcoil
No it won’t - where did our money ever go a long way when given away by the government.

I think you missed the point. The Taliban is a low overhead operation. Most of that money will buys arms to use against us. The Taliban won't be spending it on environmental impact reports, litigation, permits or entitlement programs. They get a lot more "bang" for their buck. Pun intended.

12 posted on 03/27/2009 10:01:14 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: sappy
"Obama pledges $7.5 billion "down payment" "protection money" to Pakistan (government mobsters) for US security"

Hey, it woiks in Joisey.

13 posted on 03/27/2009 10:08:15 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Hussein giving away our treaure to his fellow Muslims?


14 posted on 03/27/2009 10:09:05 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
We're about to send another 21,000 American troops into Afghansitan to supplement the troops already there. We have no means to supply our troops other than by air which is unfeasible.

The only two land routes we have are through Pakistan or through Uzbekistan (I think — it's one of the “stans”). Our options are the Russians or the Pakis. Both are hostile and suspect alliances, HOWEVER, if I had to enforce the open supply line to our troops (and I'm no military genius), I'd put MY money on being able to keep them open in Pakistan. If we tried to enforce our open lines in Russia, we'd bring in the Chinese faster than you can say, “Screwed”.

Thus, therefore, if my only child is going to wind up in Afghanistan fighting the “real” :-( war, I want his cherished behind supplied, as safe as it is humanly possible to make it and with little or no resistance to keeping it so.

15 posted on 03/27/2009 10:11:23 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: edcoil

Our government would be better off giving $1.5 Billion a year to N. Dakota. But I guess our people don’t matter.


16 posted on 03/27/2009 10:13:56 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Funbobbasso)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Well, ya know how it is - a billion here and a billion there and, pretty soon, it adds up to real money.

Have we hit the real money category, yet?


17 posted on 03/27/2009 10:55:35 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Continuing the path that Bush walked, too, they got over 11 Billion in arms and aid since 911, only to double bill the US for in many cases, imaginary operations not only by the Army but the Pakistani Navy too.

This is wonderful news.

Now the Pakistani generals and politicians will have enough scratch to build new golf courses, luxurious villas, shopping trips for the wives in Paris, and that holy grail, an ivy league education for the pampered offspring.

Sweet.


18 posted on 03/27/2009 11:32:41 AM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: sappy

Taking care of his pals.


19 posted on 03/27/2009 12:03:19 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: DTogo

YEP! Soon people will wake up and figure this out.


20 posted on 03/27/2009 12:03:57 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

0bama is such a fool


21 posted on 03/27/2009 12:13:48 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: 31R1O; PapaBear3625; publana; RadioCirca1970; TheBlueMax; WLR; iThinkBig; bayouranger; ...

Pakistan ۋﮧ۱م

FReepmail if you want on or off

22 posted on 03/27/2009 12:14:26 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Most will probably be siphoned off and end up helping the taliban.

The Pakistanian government continues to protect the terrorists.

It's their job to rout them out of the border areas.

We would be glad to help.

23 posted on 03/27/2009 12:14:51 PM PDT by Syncro (If you do not understand, be silent, or learn.)
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To: Syncro

Maybe they are going to give/sell Osama to Obama so he (Obama)can get all of the glory...maybe he is buying Osama....????


24 posted on 03/27/2009 12:30:08 PM PDT by wndycndy (WE ALL MUST FIGHT TO RETAIN OUR RIGHTS AGAINST LIBERAL IDEOLOGY)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

>>I’d put MY money on being able to keep them open in Pakistan.

I think you’d lose, there have been numerous attacks on staging areas for the convoys, destroying numerous trucks, causing much loss of materiel, remember the jihadis manage to hijack a truck with a helicopter last year.....

Peashwar, the logistical hub, is virtually a jihadi run city.

The move to Russian supply routes was undertaken by Bush because of the deteriorating situation in Peshawar.


25 posted on 03/27/2009 12:37:09 PM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: wndycndy
Harumph, more like funding Osama

Idjets

If anyone can by the other, it'd be Osama buying Obama.

Or maybe he already did.

There are no more terrorists, just “man made disasters.”

There is no more war on terror, just Overseas Contingency Operations.

Which of course leaves out fighting terrorists in their numerous cells in this country.

Good job with semantics there, Obumbler.

26 posted on 03/27/2009 12:38:39 PM PDT by Syncro (If you do not understand, be silent, or learn.)
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To: swarthyguy

Yeah, BUT the supply routes in Russia are drying up as well. All I’m saying is, we’d stand a better chance if we went up against Pakistan (God forbid the need arises), than if we took on Russia (and China) again. That was really a nasty mess the last time around.

Neither is a good situation, but how many in the Western World or the Asian world would RUSH to help out Pakistan — China has their own problems with an irate Muslim population, just as Russia has.


27 posted on 03/27/2009 2:42:55 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

[snip] US President Barack Obama on Friday affirmed a tripling of US economic aid to Pakistan to $ 1.5 billion annually over the next five years, calling it a “down payment” for America’s future security even though he unambiguously accused the country of being a safe haven for al-Qaida and its leadership. [end]

US May Expand Anti-Militant Efforts To Baluchistan
NPR | March 27, 2009 | Jackie Northam
Posted on 03/26/2009 9:38:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2215892/posts


28 posted on 03/27/2009 2:52:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
We're about to send another 21,000 American troops into Afghansitan to supplement the troops already there. We have no means to supply our troops other than by air which is unfeasible.

Absolute insanity. At a point in history when South America is being lost to Socialist Tyrants, Central America is about to Erupt with a Civil War on and across our Southern Border, Eastern Europe is under threat from Russia Invasion (Georgia) and Civil War (Ukraine), the Middle East is about to erupt with an Iran/Israel War, the United States leadership is sending more troops to Afghanistan to protect the Poppy and Goat trade. The reality is that this is all about the loose nukes in Pakistan that are in the hands of terrorist sympathizers.

29 posted on 03/27/2009 5:15:44 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
he United States leadership is sending more troops to Afghanistan to protect the Poppy and Goat trade.

Your drug warrior mentality betrays logic ...

AQ, and the Taliban are growing stronger, Pakistan has nukes, and you accuse the US military of protecting poppy traders ...

30 posted on 03/28/2009 6:09:48 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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To: 08bil98z24
Next time read the whole post before commenting. You apparently missed the punchline.

The reality is that this is all about the loose nukes in Pakistan that are in the hands of terrorist sympathizers.

31 posted on 03/28/2009 9:21:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

>>The reality is that this is all about the loose nukes in Pakistan that are in the hands of terrorist sympathizers.

Well, wait til they fall into the hands of the jihadis themselves. As it is, that’s barely a generation away as the majors and colonels, indoctrinated in an Islamist Jihadi mindset begin replacing the current crop of secular, albeit India hating generals like Musharraf and Kiyani, the former for all his faults, is a pragmatist like Kiyani, and hence did begin a detente rapprochement with India over the past few years.


32 posted on 03/30/2009 10:53:39 AM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

It is part contingency planning and forward thinking in case Pakistan (God Willing or shall I say Inshallah) has a major meltdown - anarchy, chaos, a state close to civil war!


33 posted on 03/30/2009 10:55:26 AM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Voila! The US seems to have completely given up on the Khyber route....

New NATO supply route through Dushanbe in Tajikistan Non-lethal supplies for NATO have begun arriving in Kunduz, Afghanistan from Dushanbe, Tajikistan. The US built a bridge across the Panj River to create this new route. The Tajiks have agreed to permit 250 trucks a day - 5000-tons of supplies - via this route. That’s just a bit less than cross the Khyber every day.

From - orbat.com


34 posted on 03/30/2009 10:57:18 AM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: swarthyguy

Really! This appears to be great news. Thank you. You have no idea how relieved and happy I am to hear about this.

People tell me I shouldn’t worry. I tell people it’s my hobby.


35 posted on 03/30/2009 11:45:52 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

>.I tell people it’s my hobby

Hobby is good, because sometimes it seems worrying is the main activity of America today.

Somewhere along the line we seemed to have turned into a nation of worrywarts and chicken littles.


36 posted on 03/30/2009 11:49:00 AM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: swarthyguy

I know. I try not to, but every now and then when I think of my son deploying to Afghanistan, I get the heebie-jeebies. I try to never let him know. I keep my game face on, but I haven’t like the smell of this new front for whatever reason. It’s just a down day, I guess.


37 posted on 03/30/2009 11:58:11 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Well, this MAY improve your day.....


Just another day in Afghanistan The article below is useful because it describes a typical day in Afghanistan, this time for a platoon of the 10th Mountain Division new to the area and setting up to assert itself.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KC27Df01.htm

The article has a minor patronizing tone which is programmed into the typical Brit before s/he is born. We are unsure, for example, why the Brit mediaperson chooses to call the platoon “motley”. Is he referring to the soldiers not presenting a uniform racial face as is the case with the British Army? If so, he has to understand America is not Britain. Is he calling the platoon motley because its men are from different backgrounds? Well, isn’t the same true of the British Army. Is he referring to the less than stellar personal histories of some of the troops? Well, isn’t the same thing true of the Brits? More to the point, perhaps he needs to appreciate that men with less than the best backgrounds make very good soldiers if they are properly trained and controlled, for the simple reason they know their violence and they know how to survive.

The Editor’s father, who was no fan of the US Army for many reasons, in the 1960s would caution other foreigners who thought Americans were too soft to make good soldiers. He’d say the bulk of the American infantry was drafted from the urban ghettos or from rural areas where most males learned to hunt and kill before they reached puberty. Such men, he would say, were very tough and shouldn’t be underestimated.

But that said, the article is a fair and informative account of life on the ground.


Again, from ORBAT.com


38 posted on 03/30/2009 12:01:33 PM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: justa-hairyape
Next time read the whole post before commenting. You apparently missed the punchline.

I did read the whole post. I do believe NO one is GONNA let the Pakistani nukes go anywhere. We all know this. Everyone who has been reading FR since 2001 knows this.

And I still dislike the remark about US soldiers protecting poppies. It is not our job to destroy poppies or protect them. Most Taliban money does not come from the p plant trade/opium harvest like some drug warriors try to pretend ... the Taliban's money comes through robbery, ransom, most importantly wealthy Arab donors and the Pakistani ISI. I'm not saying they don't get any money from it, but the majority is not.

People with drug warrior mentalities are often blinded by hate.

39 posted on 03/30/2009 3:23:01 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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To: swarthyguy
Well, wait til they fall into the hands of the jihadis themselves.

If they are in the hands of Jihadists sympathizers, then they should be considered to be in the hands of the Jihadists. This, prop the democratic Pakistani government up at all costs, approach is gonna get some cities nuked, is gonna drag the US military into Pakistan and could provoke an Invasion from India. Don't know how the slickmeisters in DC possibly see any other outcome. Their original plan for democracy in Iraq had similar problems. Note the talk now of a 'surge' into Afghanistan.

40 posted on 03/30/2009 6:02:40 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: little jeremiah; Indian_Fighter_Kite; Knitting A Conundrum; Hari prasad; MimirsWell; ...

Kurukshetra War - Kali Yuga ping...

To be added to or removed from this ping list, please FReepmail Sir Francis Dashwood.

41 posted on 03/30/2009 6:13:11 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: 08bil98z24
I did read the whole post. I do believe NO one is GONNA let the Pakistani nukes go anywhere. We all know this. Everyone who has been reading FR since 2001 knows this.

There have been quite a few posters who have stated that Obama will abandon Afghanistan. In fact many of the people who voted for Obama apparently thought he would. The truth is that US foreign policy is not being controlled by the executive branch and has not for quite some time. Twiddle Dee, Twiddle Dum.

People with drug warrior mentalities are often blinded by hate.

The poppy and goat remark was a metaphor for the lack of strategic resources in that part of the world. The Russians learned their lesson in Afghanistan. Don't commit forces to a war that cannot eventually pay for itself. The US is now over 10 trillion in debt and letting the Russians more or less have their way in Eastern Europe. You don't need a crystal ball to see where this is all heading.

42 posted on 03/30/2009 6:17:13 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Thanks for the ping. I was just thinking about this list. Have you heard whether they’ve had elections in India yet?


43 posted on 03/30/2009 10:24:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: little jeremiah

The elections startin mid April...


44 posted on 03/31/2009 3:26:35 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

>>The elections startin mid April...

And will last into Mid May.

And it will be an epic battle between the forces of darkness and of light - much like the Kurukshetra scene you’ve displayed.

The nationalist right in India simply has to rise to the occasion and win power else the nincompoop, socialist, muslim-appeasing lefties will drag India further down into the cesspit of nonperformance and poverty.

JMTs of course.


45 posted on 03/31/2009 5:57:16 PM PDT by voletti (There's no place, I can be, since I found, serenity.)
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