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WILLIE BROWN: Assault weapons have no place on streets
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/29/9 | Willie Brown

Posted on 03/29/2009 9:21:14 AM PDT by SmithL

If there's one lesson to be learned from the tragedy in Oakland, it's that there should be no debate about taking assault weapons off the streets.

There is no civil liberties issue here. There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

There used to be a nationwide ban on assault rifles, until it expired in 2004. We should bring it back.

As for what to do in high-crime neighborhoods, I've been there, and the only answer is to be tough.

Public safety cannot be subjected to popularity. You've got to execute on the basis of what you believe will make it safe, and you've got to be prepared to take the heat.

Police departments are paramilitary organizations. They can't be made up of social workers. Officers risk their lives every day, and you've got to back them.

If there's an incident like the BART police shooting of Oscar Grant, you have to be decisive as well. Investigations have to be quick and they have to be thorough.

But regardless of the rhetoric you hear in some street protests, this is not the '60s.

In the '60s, African Americans didn't have all the protections we have now.

We didn't have power in the cities, with people like Elihu Harris or myself as mayors. We didn't have Eric Holder as attorney general. We didn't have Barack Obama as president.

We're past the time when people weren't being served at lunch counters because they were black.

It's a new day and we should be living in it, not always looking back.

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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; assaltweapons; banglist; willieword
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Willie is a gun-grabber, without a doubt, and he makes it sound wasn't against the law for Mixon to possess that AK-47.

But after you get past his boilerplate, anti-gun language, he makes some outstanding points.

1 posted on 03/29/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Except in the hands of government employees as I understand it.

ML/NJ

2 posted on 03/29/2009 9:22:25 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: SmithL
that is the trouble with Slick Willie. He is the master of charming you while he slides the knife into your back.
3 posted on 03/29/2009 9:24:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: SmithL

the time you really need the 2nd amendment is when they try to take it away.

Willie boy, it aint about hunting, its about freedom and regime change in governments that refuse to give the people that freedom.


4 posted on 03/29/2009 9:25:42 AM PDT by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SmithL

Willie Brown is too stupid and ignorant opf the reasons for the Second Amen dment. to understand it, much less have an opinion that is’t a waste of time.


5 posted on 03/29/2009 9:25:56 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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To: SmithL

***In the ‘60s, African Americans didn’t have all the protections we have now.***

Obviously mot a fan of the quote...”When someone burns a cross in your yard the best firehose is an AK-47!”....General Laney (head of the Motor City Sportsman’s Association)

I read the weapon used in the Okland shootings was really an SKS.


6 posted on 03/29/2009 9:27:14 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: SmithL

>>>There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.<<<

Of course. I’ll defend my liberty with a mocha latte and some really killer bud from the free clinic. *sheesh*


7 posted on 03/29/2009 9:27:29 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: SmithL

“Police departments are paramilitary organizations.”

Yes, and the Fed government basically made them that way.


8 posted on 03/29/2009 9:28:05 AM PDT by headstamp 2 ("Government is a disease masquerading as it's own cure")
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To: SmithL

Hi Willie. Long time no see.

How’s your bastard daughter doing?

Write soon.

Love, Marty


9 posted on 03/29/2009 9:28:13 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SmithL
There is no civil liberties issue here. There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

Well, you've never been to Iraq, Willie.

10 posted on 03/29/2009 9:28:57 AM PDT by Allegra ( Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: SmithL
As for what to do in high-crime neighborhoods, I've been there, and the only answer is to be tough.

Gosh, that's so specific and succinct. I never looked at it that way before. I've seen the light!

Yer an idiot, Willie.

11 posted on 03/29/2009 9:30:29 AM PDT by Allegra ( Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: SmithL
In a perfect world, he might have a point.

This world ain't perfect.

12 posted on 03/29/2009 9:34:01 AM PDT by uglybiker (AAAAAAH!!! I'm covered in BEES!)
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To: SmithL

Some want to put us into the dark ages while they live in a skyscraper.


13 posted on 03/29/2009 9:34:13 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: SmithL
There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands.

[tasteless Dan White joke deleted by user]

14 posted on 03/29/2009 9:34:13 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: SmithL
Assault weapons Felons have no place on the streets...
15 posted on 03/29/2009 9:34:45 AM PDT by MantillaMilitant
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To: SmithL

Sorry, but the last time that I checked the only people that wanted assault weapons on the street were liberals. So Brown is a hypocrite.

Why...they insist on keeping killers and gang-bangers out of jail (you know, the ones who carry around assault weapons). Keep them in jail (or execute them) and the problem with assault weapons on the streets is gone.


16 posted on 03/29/2009 9:35:00 AM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: SmithL

WILLIE BROWN: Assault weapons have no place on streets

Willie Brown IS an assault weapon...he should be kept off the streets.


17 posted on 03/29/2009 9:37:53 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: SmithL

In any case, it is against the law to kill policemen...


18 posted on 03/29/2009 9:38:49 AM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I think it was on another board.. but yes.. the weapon was an SKS modified to take AK mags.


19 posted on 03/29/2009 9:38:49 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SmithL

Willie Brown is a moron.

1) The murderer was already prohibited by state and federal law to own a firearm, yet he had two. Where was the probation officer?

2) California already has strict laws on firearms and still felons/criminals disregard them. The only people penalized are lawful citizens not criminals because they don’t pay attention to pesky ‘laws’.

3) Willie favors removing a Constitutional Right. What does that make Ol’e Willie? A despot.


20 posted on 03/29/2009 9:39:21 AM PDT by WaterBoard (Somewhere a Village is Missing it's Socialist.)
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To: Allegra

I won’t put an assault weapon on the street as somebody might run over it!


21 posted on 03/29/2009 9:40:17 AM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: SmithL
This man is ignorant on so many dimensions, it's literally scary! He, and his ilk, are far more dangerous then all the AK47s in Afghanistan.

1) As it has been pointed out, this criminal was not in legal possession. 2) The officers were shot in the head. I've seen beef steer drop dead instantly from a .22 Long Rifle between the eyes. 3) Any long gun can be used as an "assault rifle" in the hands of a skilled user. A .22 mag using hollow points can disintegrate a melon the size of a person's head. 5 rounds could equal 5 kills.

22 posted on 03/29/2009 9:46:17 AM PDT by uncommonsense (liberals see what they believe and conservatives believe what they see)
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To: SmithL
The AK 47 used in the 3rd and 4th Murders by the long time Paroled Criminal, Rapist of the 12 year old girl was already banned in California a long time ago. Its possession is strictly regulated by the Federal Government. (First two officers were Murdered by this Criminal with a handgun)

Yet the Paroled Rapist turned Murderer, who is not even legally allowed to possess ANY gun still had that banned gun!

(liberal logic)....
Let's join together to ban them AK-47’s again!!!!!!, Yes a second ban will do the trick that will stop this type of crime. That will teach them, a second ban would have made him turn that gun in.

So lets hold hands and push for more laws banning the guns that are banned, because the ban ain't working, thus we need to ban them again. .....(liberal logic)

(Real Logic)...
Fire those that Paroled this Murderer, stop parole for repeat criminals, open up room in the jails by releasing the Oakland Rev. Hoye who is jailed for pro-life messages!
Also understand that these “assault weapon” gun control laws are a failure, they do not stop this type of crime. ...(Real Logic)

23 posted on 03/29/2009 9:46:28 AM PDT by dhm914
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
The gun-grabbing zombies of yesteryear continue to come out of the woodwork.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

24 posted on 03/29/2009 9:46:31 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: SmithL

The only outstanding point on old Willie is atop his little head.


25 posted on 03/29/2009 9:47:18 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: SmithL
Hmmmm.

So a traditional 30.06 M1 Garand, or 30 caliber M1 Carbine, are ok, but a semi auto CAR15 with the far smaller .223 caliber is not.

Nothing like a reasoned approach to the CRIMINAL misuse of weapons. (sarcasm)

26 posted on 03/29/2009 9:47:59 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: SmithL

**** you willie.

LLS


27 posted on 03/29/2009 9:55:57 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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"So a traditional 30.06 M1 Garand, or 30 caliber M1 Carbine, are ok"

BZZZZZZT. Not according to these guys they're not. It has nothing to do with a correct definition of an "assault weapon". If you look closely at their list, you'll see a clause for "anything procured for military use".

Your great-grandfather's trapdoor Springfield is an assault weapon to hear these guys tell it.

28 posted on 03/29/2009 9:56:54 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: SmithL
There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

I call BS!

29 posted on 03/29/2009 10:01:58 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: SmithL
The murderer seems to agree. He did not use an AK47. How many AK47s are manufactured in the US per year Willie?
30 posted on 03/29/2009 10:02:09 AM PDT by PosterPoster
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To: SmithL
Willie my dear, you know nuttin. What have you, Willie, ever done to rid the community of gangs and their racist violence? Same answer, nuttin.

To restate the obvious ad nauseum: the problem ain't guns, it is the miscreants and felons (as once shown as an example in this case) who are allowed on the streets and use them. This guy should have been shackled and behind four foot walls with razor wire perimeter and not on the street with so much as a paper clip.

Instead the liberal judges and electeds in California (including and especially Jerry "the joke Jesuit" Brown, now AG), have appeased and tolerated gangs and their ilk and now we have cops murdered because of your policies. Get out!

31 posted on 03/29/2009 10:07:25 AM PDT by vox_freedom ("If God be for us, who is against us?" -- Romans 8:31)
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To: SmithL
There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

Bull$hit! There's a perfectly good reason for law abiding citizens to have AK's and it has nothing to do with hunting, sport or even personal protection. It is to guard against a tyranical gov't and it's spelled out in the constitution, the federalist papers and many other docs of yesteryear.

32 posted on 03/29/2009 10:11:27 AM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: SmithL

There are already laws on the books against fully
automatic weapons: enforce them!


33 posted on 03/29/2009 10:15:59 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yes it was an SKS. Gun grabbers don’t know, and don’t care about the difference.


34 posted on 03/29/2009 10:20:35 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: OKSooner

The definition of an assault rifle is a compact selective fire rifle of intermediate power.

“Assault weapon” is a political term for a semi automatic firearm with a detachable magazine that has two or more of the following military style features: pistol grip, flash surpressor, folding stock, bayonet mount, barrel shroud, or grenade launcher.

So the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 didn’t even pertain to the AK-47, unless it was just a semi auto version of it. Nor would it pertain to the SKS used in the shootings if hadn’t been a version designed to take a detachable magazine.


35 posted on 03/29/2009 10:24:20 AM PDT by OA5599
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To: SmithL

He’s right. They don’t belong on the streets.

They belong in law abiding citizen’s hands, safes, and gun racks, on tables when you clean them, on your shoulders when being carried or in people’s arms, etc.

On the street? Not good for the weapon.


36 posted on 03/29/2009 10:33:29 AM PDT by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Boooooooowwwwww. Smooth)
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To: Joe Brower

They will never give up until they’re six feet under.

Wake Up America!


37 posted on 03/29/2009 10:38:29 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: OA5599; Joe Brower; Shooter 2.5
All that you say it true.

I can't cite it for you, but if you look at the -1bama / Holder gun ban list, there's a clause that includes, to paraphrase, anything that's ever been procured for military use.

Thus, the M1 carbine, M1 rifle, Colt 1911, Smith model 1917, 1903, etc, etc, are all at the discretion of the AG.

As much as I've criticized the NRA, and rightfully so at times, NOW IS THE TIME to encourage your gun-owning friends to step up and take them up on the free membership offering. If we lose now, we lose everything.

38 posted on 03/29/2009 10:38:37 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: SmithL
There's nothing outstanding about a gun-grabber.
Maybe he'll catch a bullet.
39 posted on 03/29/2009 10:42:36 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: SmithL
There is no civil liberties issue here. There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

Molon Labe Willie. You don't have the stones to enforce your position.

40 posted on 03/29/2009 10:44:24 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: SmithL

He is partly correct; assault weapons should remain off the streets and in safe storage until we need them to take the nation back. That may be rather soon.


41 posted on 03/29/2009 10:49:51 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: DGHoodini

I’m always amused by this kind of rhetoric. Like passing a ban will actually keep bad people from getting assault weapons. Preposterous. About all it does is guarantee that only the bad guys will have assault weapons when they attack adults and children on the street, in the home, in school or in the workplace.


42 posted on 03/29/2009 11:08:19 AM PDT by dools007
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To: OKSooner
What free [NRA] membership offering? How exactly does that work? If I send 'em to NRA's web page, they'll just get miffed since I see no open mention of anything like "free" membership. Besides, what benefit other than being counted as a member could a free membership include? They surely couldn't offer to send a monthly copy of The American Rifleman, and a NRA hat.
43 posted on 03/29/2009 11:12:53 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

I think, but don’t quote me on this as I haven’t fully checked it out, that it is free membership for one year. The idea would be to sign up people and build their membership levels during this time of extreme, and I do mean extreme, danger to the 2nd amendment. The more members, the more votes are staring the demwits in the face for 2010.


44 posted on 03/29/2009 11:18:59 AM PDT by calex59
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To: BlueDragon; Joe Brower; Shooter 2.5
Sorry, I might have a case of foot 'n mouth on this one. Won't be the first time.

I'd heard that the NRA was offering free memberships, and then after making that post I decided I might just post a vanity post about it. So I went to the NRA website and found the same thing that you did - a really well-done website with no mention of free memberships.

45 posted on 03/29/2009 11:19:05 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: SmithL
"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible"

Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D) Minn.
"Know Your Lawmakers" Guns (magazine), February, 1960, p. 4.
46 posted on 03/29/2009 11:30:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Security sucks. I want my freedom back.)
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To: OKSooner
I did see a page offering an "election year" $10 discount to $25 ---->http://www.insureyourgunrights.com/survey.aspx

Which lead to another page offering one year for $25, two for $50, etc. I would link that page, but it produced an ID number associated with my own access of it --->https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?CampaignID=[number here redacted by me]

Anyone thinking of joining the NRA could still get in under discounted membership dues, it appears.

The multi-tool might be handy to have. But for myself, I'd almost as soon just hand them some money to use for the cause, and let them save the costs, time, and trouble to send a magazine or some other form of wampum.

47 posted on 03/29/2009 11:31:14 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
Thanks for helping me out.

Never had much luck with multi-tools myself. I tried a couple and they never work like a real tool. If it helps membership, though...

48 posted on 03/29/2009 11:36:28 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: OKSooner
Same experience with the multi tools, myself. Sort of like having a .22 over 20 gauge. Both barrels can get the job(s) done, but usually not as well as one's specifically designed for the tasks.

Nothing particularly against the latter...I think that I'd like to have one of those combo's, if I could get just the right make & model. Trouble is, I don't recall which one exactly that is...

49 posted on 03/29/2009 11:52:41 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: SmithL
Does he know what a assault rifle is?
50 posted on 03/29/2009 12:18:52 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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