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WILLIE BROWN: Assault weapons have no place on streets
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/29/9 | Willie Brown

Posted on 03/29/2009 9:21:14 AM PDT by SmithL

If there's one lesson to be learned from the tragedy in Oakland, it's that there should be no debate about taking assault weapons off the streets.

There is no civil liberties issue here. There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

There used to be a nationwide ban on assault rifles, until it expired in 2004. We should bring it back.

As for what to do in high-crime neighborhoods, I've been there, and the only answer is to be tough.

Public safety cannot be subjected to popularity. You've got to execute on the basis of what you believe will make it safe, and you've got to be prepared to take the heat.

Police departments are paramilitary organizations. They can't be made up of social workers. Officers risk their lives every day, and you've got to back them.

If there's an incident like the BART police shooting of Oscar Grant, you have to be decisive as well. Investigations have to be quick and they have to be thorough.

But regardless of the rhetoric you hear in some street protests, this is not the '60s.

In the '60s, African Americans didn't have all the protections we have now.

We didn't have power in the cities, with people like Elihu Harris or myself as mayors. We didn't have Eric Holder as attorney general. We didn't have Barack Obama as president.

We're past the time when people weren't being served at lunch counters because they were black.

It's a new day and we should be living in it, not always looking back.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; assaltweapons; banglist; willieword
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To: SmithL

He is partly correct; assault weapons should remain off the streets and in safe storage until we need them to take the nation back. That may be rather soon.


41 posted on 03/29/2009 10:49:51 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: DGHoodini

I’m always amused by this kind of rhetoric. Like passing a ban will actually keep bad people from getting assault weapons. Preposterous. About all it does is guarantee that only the bad guys will have assault weapons when they attack adults and children on the street, in the home, in school or in the workplace.


42 posted on 03/29/2009 11:08:19 AM PDT by dools007
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To: OKSooner
What free [NRA] membership offering? How exactly does that work? If I send 'em to NRA's web page, they'll just get miffed since I see no open mention of anything like "free" membership. Besides, what benefit other than being counted as a member could a free membership include? They surely couldn't offer to send a monthly copy of The American Rifleman, and a NRA hat.
43 posted on 03/29/2009 11:12:53 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

I think, but don’t quote me on this as I haven’t fully checked it out, that it is free membership for one year. The idea would be to sign up people and build their membership levels during this time of extreme, and I do mean extreme, danger to the 2nd amendment. The more members, the more votes are staring the demwits in the face for 2010.


44 posted on 03/29/2009 11:18:59 AM PDT by calex59
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To: BlueDragon; Joe Brower; Shooter 2.5
Sorry, I might have a case of foot 'n mouth on this one. Won't be the first time.

I'd heard that the NRA was offering free memberships, and then after making that post I decided I might just post a vanity post about it. So I went to the NRA website and found the same thing that you did - a really well-done website with no mention of free memberships.

45 posted on 03/29/2009 11:19:05 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: SmithL
"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible"

Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D) Minn.
"Know Your Lawmakers" Guns (magazine), February, 1960, p. 4.
46 posted on 03/29/2009 11:30:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Security sucks. I want my freedom back.)
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To: OKSooner
I did see a page offering an "election year" $10 discount to $25 ---->http://www.insureyourgunrights.com/survey.aspx

Which lead to another page offering one year for $25, two for $50, etc. I would link that page, but it produced an ID number associated with my own access of it --->https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?CampaignID=[number here redacted by me]

Anyone thinking of joining the NRA could still get in under discounted membership dues, it appears.

The multi-tool might be handy to have. But for myself, I'd almost as soon just hand them some money to use for the cause, and let them save the costs, time, and trouble to send a magazine or some other form of wampum.

47 posted on 03/29/2009 11:31:14 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
Thanks for helping me out.

Never had much luck with multi-tools myself. I tried a couple and they never work like a real tool. If it helps membership, though...

48 posted on 03/29/2009 11:36:28 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: OKSooner
Same experience with the multi tools, myself. Sort of like having a .22 over 20 gauge. Both barrels can get the job(s) done, but usually not as well as one's specifically designed for the tasks.

Nothing particularly against the latter...I think that I'd like to have one of those combo's, if I could get just the right make & model. Trouble is, I don't recall which one exactly that is...

49 posted on 03/29/2009 11:52:41 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: SmithL
Does he know what a assault rifle is?
50 posted on 03/29/2009 12:18:52 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: SmithL
Hey Willie, he went 2 for 2 with a pistol before he even got the rifle. You need to correct your statement.

"There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands urban police department to require a written statement from an officer any time he takes his pistol from the holster. Period.

Perhaps if those officers had not been discouraged by departmental policy from drawing their weapons they'd be alive today.

51 posted on 03/29/2009 12:36:54 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Eaker

AK on the street = Road Hazard


52 posted on 03/29/2009 12:58:21 PM PDT by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: SmithL
There is no civil liberties issue here. There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

< spit!>

53 posted on 03/29/2009 1:01:39 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: calex59
I found the NRA site that offers the free membership but since I am already a member, I didn't go further to see if they would accept me. It might be a situation where they are offering a one year free membership for previous and active members. It might be if you are already a member, they would give you a year free.

I honestly hope they are not giving memberships to just anyone. I had to work for mine so I expect others to do the same. No free lunches.

54 posted on 03/29/2009 1:29:14 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: SmithL
There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period.

I don't have to justify my rights to you, asshole.

55 posted on 03/29/2009 1:32:45 PM PDT by SIDENET (President Obama's teleprompter has issued a stern warning to corporate executives)
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To: SmithL
You've got to execute on the basis of what you believe will make it safe, and you've got to be prepared to take the heat.
OK, I believe if more people carried we'd be a lot safer and bad guys would be a lot deader.

We didn't have Eric Holder as attorney general. We didn't have Barack Obama as president.
I see, the color of the skin is what makes all the difference. MLK Jr. might disagree.

We're past the time when people weren't being served at lunch counters because they were black.
Today, you might not make it to the lunch counter in places like Oakland without getting jacked, or worse.

56 posted on 03/29/2009 1:35:52 PM PDT by budwiesest (Unlike Michelle, I used to be.)
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To: OKSooner
It turns out you were CORRECT in passing on the info that the NRA was offering free memberships.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2217578/posts and https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp.

I'm not sure why I didn't find or notice that the first time. It looks like they are offering with the membership a year's subscription to one of the three magazines.

If they would only limit the "spam" that would coming flooding in, from them, the NRA after joining --- to the electronic version, they could save themselves a ton of money on sending physical junk mail.

Spam is one thing...but endless supplementary requests for donations filling my P.O. Box I simply have no patience for. It's one reason why I dropped membership years ago. Since I wasn't sending extra funds, I didn't want to be just another drag on the resources. And no, I will not agree to offset that, by sending them more money to spend in the efforts of soliciting ever more money from their members. I don't want the magazines, either. Have no place to put them except a trash can (after reading them). What a waste...'cept for the fact they are a bit on the skinny side in the first place, which is good in many ways....

Sorry NRA. You drove me off, years ago.

Now, if they would sign me on, but HOLD THE MAGAZINES and ALL OTHER PHYSICAL mail, then they can "count me in".

Spam away (email versions only) I don't care. Just don't sell the info to other fund-raisers, or any other email mass spammers [string of imagined profanity here].

57 posted on 03/29/2009 2:22:41 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

Thanks for letting me know I was right, if only by accident. If you’re not an NRA member I’d suggest getting in and bringing as many as you can with you. I’ve had my issues with the NRA too, but consider what will happen if no one stands up to them.


58 posted on 03/29/2009 2:54:10 PM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: SmithL
"There is no justification for an AK-47 in private hands. Period."

Willie Brown is an idiot. As long as the government has weapons, the people damn well had better have them as well. It's the only tool we really have to secure our freedom.

Of course, the left doesn't like weapons in the hands of the people because they don't like freedom.

59 posted on 03/29/2009 2:56:49 PM PDT by meyer (Obama is to the USA as Mugabe is to Zimbabwe.)
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To: OKSooner
I signed up, since I did see a "do not send magazine" option, which I took, but gave them a fake physical address, or should I say, an address not my own, but not presently occupied. A defunct business address, empty building, no replacement renter in sight...

I'm going to be "gone" from my only mailing address for months at a time for the next six to nine months. I do not need, do not want, cannot handle more junk mail.

P.O.Boxes are only so big. Even having the P.O. hold the mail in a separate place other than the small box itself, occupies valuable real estate. I do not want junk mail...

Once the NRA get's a a few "not at this address" returns, maybe they'll get a clue and quit wasting money sending pleas for funds?

60 posted on 03/29/2009 3:12:28 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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