Ed Heinemann 
Posted on 03/31/2009 6:41:34 AM PDT by reaganaut1
Ed Heinemann
You must be one of those non-indoctrinated types I wouldn’t hire.
Judging from your lack of professionalism I highly doubt you could land a position like the one I’m hiring for even if you had a PhD.
The degree doesn’t necessarily make you smarter but it does make one more well rounded and demonstrates a level of determination.
Now go back to your cube and code some software...
I have those traits, but not the title.
Past hospitalizations work against me in that respect.
Your right. It doesn’t mean you can’t get a position without a degree...it just more difficult. I find the interviewing process with some companies too long and drawn out. Especially when that process that I mentioned in my post is applied to simple stocking, delivery and warehouse positions. It goes overboard sometimes...almost to the point of paranoia. Makes me doubt if I really want to work for them.
Using computer based learning, businesses could set up home school-like college programs. If so many people are willing to work for free for 4 years, and pay handsomely for the privilege, why not offer them a debt free alternative? There should be a method for an accredited degree to be bestowed based on objective test scores, not leftist indoctrination.
Excellent—I work in aerospace—including time spent on two of Heinemann’s babies the A3 Skywarrior or “Whale” as well as the A4 (”Heinemann’s Hot Rod”) and I didn’t know that. Thank you.
William Boeing, the 2 Loughead brothers(Lockheed), and Jack Northrop didn’t have degrees either. Gordon Bethune, who was an excellent CEO who saved Continental Airlines, didn’t. I don’t think Allan Paulson (founded Gulfstream) did either.
Neither did one of our great unsung Americans—Andrew Jackson Higgins—developer of the Higgins Boat in WW II-Eisenhower said about him “More than any one individual-he won the war for us”
So that is why the IRS/government agencies are filled with IDIOTS!
I’m in the student loan “business” (per se) and I agree; some odd and unrelated degrees around here: philosophy, history, political science, psychology, sociology.
Nothing to do with student loans; we all really should have majored in something called “collecting” or “lending,” LOL.
Still, college degrees do ensure writing skills and some critical thinking ability, always beneficial on the job.
Also, I think people with college degrees might be more receptive to change and to what employers call “training.” The smartest high schoolers don’t always go on to college but they usually *are* the ones who do.
Sorry, I wish the post button had a recall feature.
“You must be one of those non-indoctrinated types I wouldn’t hire.”
You would be wrong. I laugh at those simpletons with their 4-year “college degrees” who think they have mastered the universe. Call me when you have 20+ years experience and could teach PhDs.
Snooty types like you are middle managers types, nothing ever more. We like to call them “useful idiots”, but I usually terminate them as they dismiss talent based on the wrong assumption that college is something to behold, and anyone dismissing the talent the company needs is defeating their own purpose.
College is something you do when you are 22. I am looking for accomplished engineers, not recent graduates. So, when someone like you says candidates must have a college degree I have to assume you don’t know the difference between accomplished engineers and recent graduates. I don’t care what someone did when they were 22. I want to know what they have accomplished since.
“There should be a method for an accredited degree to be bestowed based on objective test scores, not leftist indoctrination.”
I get what you are saying and many of us have discussed the alternatives to education outside of the traditional university, but, frankly, the problem isn’t the universities, it is the businesses that hire the graduates.
If we would demand a high standard and only hire graduates that met the standard, universities would be forced to teach instead of indoctrinate and be the money machines they are today.
If I had a nickel for each time I typo’ed something on here I’d be a billionaire—those things happen. Thanks for the Faraday info. I wasn’t aware of it.
And of course, I didn’t mean to imply that a college degree was bad, or not a good thing to have for some people—of course it is. I agree with the folks saying a bachelor’s in 2009 is the equivalent of a HS diploma from the 1940s.
Me too-my frat is I Phelta Thi....
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“? The most that piece of paper really proves is your willingness to stick it out, I’ve got a marriage license signed 17 years ago that proves the same thing.
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Touché Pussycat! I need to remember that conclusive logic. Wanna bet that Mr. College Degree is divorced? If so, then so much for having the ability to “stick it out” and do as he vows to do.
“I’ve heard it said that we have gone from teaching Latin and Greek in our grammar schools 100 years ago to teaching basic remedial math and English in our universities today....”
....I think your comment is right on the money!
Stonewalls, whose grandfather delivered his high school valendictorian address in Latin.
LOL!
Did you get this information from college?
The reason most private sector Americans will be working longer, into their old age, is not by choice for God sake.
It's because they're pensions have been devastated, they're homes are worth much less, they're dollars are worth less, they're retirement pensions have been all but eliminated or slashed, and now they're told they'll be lucky to even collect Social Security they've paid into all their lives.
In addition, many of these private sector "slaves" will need work into they're old age, just to pay for the lucrative retirement pensions and benefits of the millions of government employees, many of which retire before they turn 50.
Actually I stole that most of that line (the whole first half and the gist of the second half) from the guy with the Russian lit degree. I don’t really even have a problem with people that demand degrees for their hires, because usually they’re the regimented types I wouldn’t want to work for anyway.
Useful things can be learned in college, they can also be learned outside of college. I think the big thing most of my high school mates learned in college was being in charge of their own lives, most of them lived in very strict households that didn’t give them a lot of self determination. I was given a pretty free rein growing up (”free to make my own mistakes” as mom always put it) so I didn’t really need that. What I did need was to learn certain CSC things, and develop good relationships with certain teachers that were well known and respected in the software industry in Tucson so they’d be willing to be references for me. I’m very results oriented.
College, the new indoctrination tool for the Left to make sure every person goes through.
Wonder what they will think up next, maybe a chip under your skin or maybe a number across your forehead.....
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