Skip to comments.Obama bows down to Saudi King
Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3
April 02, 2009
|I am quite certain that this is not the protocol, and is most unbecoming a President of the United States.
New Tag Line........
Maybe hannity is holding it till the right time, sort of like playing his cards right? I’ve only watched him a couple of times lately.. Am curious if he does that. Do you know?
Get jiggy with it, and join the rest of us infidels. They will impose the jizzya, but me and mine will never bow to them.
Lets see it, especially the hand kissing part.
I honestly thought this is what the liberals wanted President Bush to do..embrace the enemy of Israel...
Very nice summation rose of sharon. That is a quote we should send to hannity, et al...
I don't find that Drudge frequently links directly to a YouTube video. It happens, but it's very rare.
Hannity, on the other hand, is very out of character that he didn't discuss it on tonight's broadcast. I wasn't all that shocked he didn't talk about on radio - it's difficult to describe. But, I thought he was saving it for tonight's show as it fits perfectly for his program. It's very, very odd indeed.
There's not mention of it anywhere on ABCNBCCBSCNNNYTMSNBCFNC or anywhere else.
The GOP is dead. GHWB did Kuwait/Iraq for the KSA, GWB did Afghanistan/Iraq instead of KSA. Nobody remembers ABSCAM. The Arabist apologists infest even this great forum. Give the the names of the Afghani nationals, and Iraqi nationals that planned and executed the atrocities of September 11, 2001. They were Saudis, an Egyptian, Jordanian, and stinking Pakis. A pox and horrific death upon all of their houses and progeny.
Copyright to Roses of Sharon....and if you don’t mind, my new tagline, with a small change.
“We have witnessed Obama’s first display of humility, and it was before a muslim dictator.”
Or a member of various American Protestant sects.
Worldwide Church of God, Radio Church of God, International Church of God are 3 that come to mind immediately.
Then there are the seriously flaky cults like the JW's, the Seventh Day'ers, etc ad infinitum.
Just in case others missed the following information, or don’t want to read the entire thread....
Saudi King Bans Kissing of His Hand (LA Times Archive)
LA Times ^ | 9/12/2005 | staff
posted on Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:48:50 PM by pissant
“...”Kissing hands is alien to our values and morals, and is not accepted by free and noble souls,” Abdullah told a delegation from Baha, in southwest Saudi Arabia, which came to the royal palace to offer congratulations on his accession. “It also leads to bowing, which is a violation of God’s law. The faithful bow to no one but God.”
Greetings are highly formalistic
Shaking of hand is often accompanied by touching the arm or the shoulder
Men who are familiar with one another may often embrace at greeting
Relish lavish gifts
Have a strict sense of religion and diet
Men may bring wives to the United States, however, in Saudi Arabia, they remain unseen
Cherish long, close business friendships
Harbor a disdain for the US business custom of changing sales/marketing representatives
Dogs are not commonly household pets
Good topics: history, culture, and respect fore the Islamic faith
Bad topics: any blasphemy, Israel, and the role of women
Use your hands carefully. Use your right hand when doing anything in public to practice proper business etiquette in Saudi Arabia (e.g., handshaking). Keep from gesturing with your hands a lot or pointing at anything, especially to the soles of peoples shoes or feet. This is considered very rude behavior. Get used to people being in your personal space and refrain from pulling or jerking back when someone touches you. It is customary to touch and stand close to one another.
Saudi custom regarding greetings is rather ritualized. When entering a meeting full of people, a Saudi will greet each person individually with a handshake while standing. The same is expected of visitors. Learning some appropriate Arabic phrases for such occasions is appreciated
“There’s not mention of it anywhere on ABCNBCCBSCNNNYTMSNBCFNC or anywhere else”
The SYDNEY HERALD is the ONLY Major engkish-language Media source that has been willing to even mention it, so far, and even they include a pieve from Rabid Obama Worshipper Gloria Starr ENDORSING what Obama did!!!
Remember the outrage in 1986 when a minor Reagan Diplomat curtsey’d to the Queen of England?
The left and the media went ABSOLUTELY BANANAS over that.
what was the deal? What were they whining about? Were the liberals and media about the same as they are now?
I must admit that I limited my search to media sites located in the Northern hemisphere. My bad.
I do remember the "curtsy" incident during the Reagan administration. I also remember the Bush hand-holding at his ranch with King Abdulla (sp?). That lead the evening newscast on ABC and I bet it was covered in some detail on the rest of the network news shows.
The bias of the news media is absolutely shameless. It shows no signs of ebbing, and only grows with each passing news cycle. It's sickening.
I don’t think Jehovah’s Witnesses exchange gifts either, but then 0bama was never a Jehovah’s Witness, or documented as a member of the Worldwide Church of God, Radio Church of God, International Church of God...
He WAS born a Muslim, and was raised a Muslim until his teen years..
His Harvard education was facilitated and funded by Muslims.
He now continues to give concessions to Muslims, dismantles the War on Terror, closes GITMO, and kow tows to Iran..
Now he is bowing in public to the King of Saudi Arabia.
You be the judge...
All the facts, listed line by line....including but not limited to the pseudo pastor wright who taught hate to obama and his family, along with ayers the terrorist etc. Everything points to alliances, and not to “the people”. When one reads that list, in black and white..like your list, it truly gives a spark of fear.....especially after 9-11.
People should copy the photo, blow it up, and have posters at all the Tea Parties and any and all rallies, marches, etc.
Get this photo out there!!!
and put rose of sharon’s quote on the poster!
I was not disputing your assertion, merely adding more information of the same sort to it.
Unfortunately my statement was misread as defending the TOTUS. That was most definitely NOT my intent.
We can do nothing without destroying the MSM first.
We cannot get to Hussein with his Praetorian guard surrounding him, protecting him, boosting him, defending him.
We are in an impossible situation.
“And why would that mean anything? Under that idea, Obama should have bowed to Berlusconi since he is the leader of Italy, where the Vatican/Pope is located - which is after all considered the city that represents Catholic/Christian faith.”
I see your point, but wish to explain that the religious and political combine in Islamic, Occidental culture. Witness Sharia law. The Vatican is considered its own state, too, although it is protected by Italy and connected with it.
Saudi Arabia embodies some of those characteristics, but is nonetheless different, as it is not Western. 0bama’s bow to a Western political leader versus bowing to the Pope would not occur, in my opinion. Bowing to the Saudi king without the king bowing in return revealed 0bama’s intention, deference, and homage to someone he thinks superior, and someone with whom 0bama shares a culture.
In bowing to the Saudi king, coupled with the Saudi king not bowing in return, 0bama humbled himself, something a sitting president of the US has never done for another world leader.
To continue the perspective and opinion on this issue, please consider these collective concepts and events as part of a pattern:
The Saudis rule a theocracy. They are also Wahabbis, who are funding mosques and madrassas like mad all over the world. along with their funding of the Muslim Brotherhood (of Zawahiri fame—who schooled Osama Bin Laden). The bin Ladens themselves are tight as ticks with the Saudis, too (bin la deen also means ‘of those who have not gone astray’—the last words of the sura of the ‘clot’ [Sura #1]—bismi’llah, ar-raham, ar-rahim, Rab il ala’min Translation: In the name of god, the merciful, the commpassionate —or the kind kindred: ruler of the world).
Theocratic rulership includes the Saudi religious police. Remember that they behead many people and inflict justice in ways not understood by Westerners. Remember, “Saudis order 40 lashes for elderly woman for mingling.”
Or this: “Saudi police ‘stopped’ fire rescue
The Mecca city governor visited the fire-damaged school”
“Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.”
Further, as a theocratic, occidental, Islamic country, “Saudi Arabian society is the model. Saudi Arabia is the purely Islamic state - Al Qaeda does not fight to overthrow it, but rather to expand this theocratic dictatorship to the world.
Al Qaeda does not attack the state of Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda attacks foriegn influence, foreign power and foriegn ideas - Al Qaeda fights as supremicists defending holy ideals. Most likely somewhere in the House of Saud exists the chief funder for Al Qaeda, who sacrafices the jihadis to expand the influence Saudi theocracy.”
In addition, as an Occidental non-Western nation state, the Saudis also have bought into certain legacies from the West, along with expression in the Qur’an of their own beliefs, the hatred of Jews.
To refine even further, be reminded that Occidentalism is understood as a mindset separated to the West by a veil. As Disraeli put it: “...placed in this structure has been “Islam,” a great religion and a culture certainly, but also an Occidental myth, part of...(what was) once called “the great Asiatic mystery.”
(Muslims) affirm a “superior” Occidental identity. Thus, for the West, to understand Islam has meant trying to convert its variety into a monolithic undeveloping essence, its originality into a debased copy of Christian culture, its people into fearsome caricatures.”
Even in the US, these Saudi mindsets and inroads are running deeper, as the Wahabbi corridor in the US demonstrates: “THE WAHHABI CORRIDOR”
“WAMY: U.S. offices of the Saudi-based World Assembly of Muslim Youth, formerly run by Abdullah bin Laden, nephew of America’s Enemy No. 1. Tucked back in the corner of the Skyline Court Professional Park at 5134 Leesburg Pike, Alexandria, Va., WAMY was recently raided by U.S. authorities.
Though the Saudi-controlled enterprise — which teaches teen-aged Muslim boys to sacrifice their lives in jihad against the infidels — is still under federal investigation, the administration has been reluctant to freeze its assets and designate it as a terrorist entity, a move that would upset the powerful and well-connected head of the Saudi Embassy. The sensitive case is under court seal.”
(Note: We remind ourselves from recent news that it is to Alexandria, VA, that we are hearing the 17 muslims might be released from Gitmo.)
In a related issue, remember that Osama bin Laden wanted a worldwide Caliphate. The Khalifat movement, begun in 1918 as the Ottoman empire fell, has ties to the Saudis.
“Islamic caliphate” From SourceWatch
The concept of Islamic caliphate can be properly understood in three different ways, and distorted by deliberately confusing the three ways:
The historical caliphs and their examples as rulers, documented to a somewhat lesser extent than the sira or life of Muhammad. The Sunni and Shia views of the examples of these rulers differ drastically and are variously interpreted by contemporaries in early Muslim philosophy.
The modern Shia version of this view has been in large part implemented with political compromises in the constitution of Iran.
The fiqh and shariah (jurisprudence of law) that came from this period and were applied by the Ottoman Empire.
(A) re-establishment of “Islamic caliphate” means essentially a re-establishment of the Ottoman Empire and its continued evolution from where it ended in 1918, with perhaps more local autonomy. This view is usually associated with the Wahabist movement originating with Sunni power figures in Saudi Arabia, and nominally embodied in such regimes as the Afghanistan Taliban and such non-state actors as Al Qaeda.
Islamization of knowledge that build on these norms to a new conception of a “caliphate” that would be quite compatible with some notions of modern secular democracy, e.g. the Green Parties, where feminism and non-violent methods are seen as paths to achieving reforms. The Hizb-ut-Tahrir is considered by some, e.g. Olivier Roy, to be one such group. Others follow the views of Seyyed Hossein Nasr or Ismail Al-Faruqi, which have been very influential in Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon and Jordan especially in human rights movements and peace movements in the nations.”
The history to the Wahabbi extremeism and caliphate movement in the 20th century leads back to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al Husseini, who had direct ties to Arafat and Iraq. It is included here for background and connection to the Wahabbi extremism and its proliferation in Saudi Arabia and now growing in the US:
“After the war, the Haj became a respected elder and figurehead in the Pan-Arabist movement of the 1950s and 1960s. He consulted with Egyptian President and leading Pan-Arabist Nasser, and later became a young Yassir Arafat’s hero and idol.
He was more than that to Arafat . Arafat’s mother Hamida Khalifa al-Husseini was a cousin to the very same Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini . So Arafat was his nephew or grand-newphew and his full name was Muhammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Husseini.
To avoid negative impression this might have on the Western media, Amin al-Husseini’s nephew simply shortened his name. The trick worked.”
This same Mufti of Jerusalem also influenced the course of Iraq:
“The Nazi Background of Saddam Hussein” Charles A. Morse, Friday, Feb. 21, 2003
“Khairallah Tulfah, Saddam Hussein’s uncle and future father-in-law, along with Gen. Rashid Ali and the so-called “golden square” cabal of pro-Nazi officers, participated in a failed coup against the pro-British government of Iraq in 1941.
Operating behind the scenes in Baghdad at the time, arranging for Nazi weapons and assistance, was the notorious pro-Nazi Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
The Mufti had been on the Nazi payroll, according to testimony at the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, since 1937, when he had met with Adolf Eichmann during Eichmann’s brief visit to Palestine. Saddam Hussein was born in 1937.
The Mufti, after instigating a pogrom against Jews in Palestine in 1920, the first such pogrom against Jews in the Arab world in hundreds of years, went on to inspire the development of pro-Nazi parties throughout the Arab world including Young Egypt, led by Gamal Abdul Nasser, and the Social Nationalist Party of Syria led by Anton Sa’ada.”
Bin Laden’s goal (along with the Khalifat movement established in 1918) speaks of a worldwide caliphate. The Saudis have fought against this, but that fight demonstrates the internecine struggle among Middle Eastern states for leadership of the Arab/Muslim world:
“The revival of the “back to the caliphate” motto also reveals a deeper crisis of legitimacy within Sunni Islam. When Atatürk abolished the caliphate in 1924, two years after toppling the Ottoman sultanate, he deprived the Sunni world of an undisputed guiding voice. Sharif Hussein of Mecca immediately tried to fill this void, but he was smashed by the rising power of Wahhabi Islam. Saudi Arabia was built on the ruins of this aborted caliphate, although its monarchs do not now claim a nobler title than “custodian of the holy places.”
Nowadays, to be called “commander of the believers” one has to be the king of Morocco, or Mullah Omar of Afghanistan, who assumed the title when, in Kandahar in 1996, he took up a cloak said to have belonged to the Prophet himself as a founding gesture for the Taliban emirate.
“A fundamental key to the Saudi theocracy is, however, that not only does the Saudi royal family brainwash or otherwise educate their citizens in Wahhabism, these royals are also exporting Wahhabism’s puritanical, radically intolerant, and no-holds-barred-kill-the-infidels’ message to the rest of the Muslim world. Parts of this indoctrination include:
1) the idea that a Muslim is automatically a better human being — an ironic reference to certain aspects of Judaism -
2) bombing bars and beating women who go out without being fully covered — the basic Taliban technique
3) asking Allah to destroy all infidels — i.e., anyone who is not an orthodox Wahhabi.
In all respects, the evidence strongly suggests Saudi Arabia is exporting terrorism to the world via financial and other support, and by indoctrination — “poisoning the youth” — of everyone under their influence. The message is a simple one: “Death to the Infidel.”
Based on the history of much of the 20th century, there has been an inherited understanding in the Islamic world of hatred toward infidels, and Jews in particular; the Muslim world. The umma (community of believers) are the descendants of nazi fascsism, as ‘dar es salaam’ (everything Muslim) is the world in Islamic terms. Everything else is ‘dar al harb.’ ‘Harb’ means war.
THe principal point I am making is that these cultural threads are not only interwoven, but present to the West a picture of the world that is entirely different, as though the battle of Lepanto and sieges of Vienna only paused Islamic ambitions for world conquest. That conquest is cultural, entire in its understanding of how the world works, and the next level of nazi thought and behavior. Fascist and totalitarian in rulership, Muslims embody the political and spiritual leadership for Islam, with mullahs, imams (preachers) and qadis (religious judges for Islamic jurisprudence and interpretation of hadith traditions), providing the religious arm of the nation states.
0bama’s bow before the Saudi king is thus not the same as the bowing to Berlusconi example you suggest; as you would know, it is the duty of Christians to lead people to Christ. Also, the Pope is a head of state as well, and so political leaders tend not to bow to him—or Berlusconi. I would, nevertheless, be interested to see pictures of US presidents bowing to the Pope if there are any.
We now see in this video and recent events the portents of what is to come, as I see them. It may be several years for it to play out, as was in the Germany of the 1920s and early 30s. So desperate for leadership, they sacrificed their liberty for work, money, and food. Then, they were surprised, dumbfounded and hemmed in on all sides by what was to come. The difference is that Muslims are actually willing to die for their beliefs, and will not suffer opposition.
Therefore, 0bama’s bow—even in front of world leaders—is not only against protocol, but also an expression of belief in the Islamic intention. With his appointments in US government, his intention to place Muslims in positions connected with US government and/or White House initiatives, his connections to supporting suspect NGOs, and, finally, the change of terms for the War on Terror and legal status for terrorists, this bow is submission in my eyes. It all ties together as a transnationalist effort to crush the economic and military might of the US at the same time as he enacts, perhaps by fiat or covertly, and Islamic basis for rulership at the highest levels of US government.
Sorry this is so long, but I do see a huge difference, a shedding of 0bama’s facade that shames all citizens and generations of the US.)
More on wahabbis & Saudi Arabia here:
and theocracy here:
MEMORIALIZED IN SONG - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2221290/posts
I worked hard on the post previous to this. I hope somne find it valuable in their perpective on this event that is so un-American.
I read thru your previous posts, per your instruction above.
In the morning, I will study them some more...its all quite stunning, isn't it?
I think most news outlets, rightwing blogs and commentators, don't quite know what to say.
They are in shock.
The terrorists... errr.. Religion of Peace, have infiltrated all layers of US government.
Where are the patriots?
I guess that protocol is a little different back home in Kenya.
I fear you are right... I’m just glad I have God to look to. Otherwise, I don’t think I could even stay sane witnessing this...
Wow... Thank you so much for taking the time to spell it all out like that. I was going to respond to her post earlier with the info. about the Vatican/Berlusconi angle, but my browser crashed and then I got sidetracked...
I really am grateful for your post, CB. Thank you. EXCELLENT WORK! :)
Barack, who took on the Islamic Name as is the custom of Muslims is, a Muslim. And by the choice of kings, he is a Wahhabi, the most virulent form of Terrorist Islamic out there.
America is waking up the next morning after a bout with a date rape drug. We have been had by a lot of people last election party. Can't wait to see the baby that comes out of this birthing.
He is a Muslim claiming to be a Christian. A wolf in sheep's clothing, a Manchurian Candidate.
Or in less esoteric terms a Traitor.
The reason that America is not experiencing terrorism is because Bush took out Iraq and Afganistan when we were attacked. The Koran teaches that if you attack a neighbor and they sue for peace and pay the tax to you, you are a hero. But if they rise up and attack back and harm your village, you are a shame to Islam. The inference is that they are not ready yet to be subjugated.
This move by Barack Hussian Obama WILL cause terrorism to start up inside the borders of the United States. This move by Obama is EXACTLY why you must not have a fool in the office of the Presidency.
That bow will cause blood to run in the streets of America, like blood runs in the streets of Israel now.
I thought the Left hated the Saudis for their oil, particularly enviros. Obama is a Muslim, there is no doubt.
I don’t WANT to believe what you say will be true, but how can there be another path this will take...
God bless you and yours, FRiend. I’ll be praying for you all in Israel. I’m sorry this nation has decided to turn it’s back (even if they did it unknowingly on the part of the people who were duped).
Exactly. It was a bow and a major gaffe. Americans earned the right never to bow to any king.
Great post. Why is the bow not picked up on Drudge? The MSM I can understand, but this is big news.
This is being sterilized. No MSM coverage. A Google search under “Obama bows” turns up no hits. No one is looking this up on Google? I find it hard to believe.
What shows up as news is from Australia and the Kansas City Star.
OBAMA IS KISSING ABULLAH’S HAND OR RING... CAN’T ANYBODY ELSE SEE THAT FROM THIS ANGLE?
Make that “Abdullah.” God, I’m so pissed off.
Mostly bloggers picked it up, examined it and held the subject up in the light for discussion.
I know. You don’t find it odd that the subject “Obama bows” shows no activity or interest on Google?
No, because Google is...Google.
Oops, I should have checked for myself before answering you.
Click on the links below:
brings up 14,400 results, earlier this morning is was showing over 120,000 results. Goggle is burying this story
I clicked on the first link in post no. 848:
Results 1 - 10 of about 8,570,000 for obama + bows. (0.08 seconds)
I clicked on the second link in post no. 848:
Results 1 10 of about 2,018 for obama bows. (0.19 seconds)
My conclusion is that I can find more possible hits in link no. 1 which is a general Google search than in link no. 2 which is a news search.