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GEERT WILDERS at Chapman University, Orange, Ca. Saturday

Posted on 04/03/2009 8:35:56 PM PDT by seenenuf

Counter-demonstrators dream opportunity to assure free speech is not intimidated in Orange County, Ca.

TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: alfuqra; chapman; chapmanuniversity; geertwilders; highereducation; islamist; jihad; jihadinamerica; orange; wilders
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Per your #48 posting ping. Surely we are seeing a gradual awakening through out the land as to the real threat radical branches of Islamic philosophy pose to the world at large.
And this bull shit that Americans and others are profiling these people is just that.
Their silence world wide within westernized nations has for the most part been glowering silent. They continue to show most westerners in our many countries that they cause a level of distrust. Their cult caused this problem to begin with.
But I continue to be quite angry at how all these western nations so easily allow these people to enter or lands.
51 posted on 04/04/2009 9:12:01 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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To: All
Thread of interest:

A flagrant reversal of American values

Attacking GEERT WILDERS and published by the Washington Post.

52 posted on 04/04/2009 9:37:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: seenenuf
imo,advancing muslim activists are more of a threat to my children than a bad economy.

Great posts,we have to be able to handle both. Hard to tell which is the greater threat.

53 posted on 04/05/2009 7:18:42 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Way to go Ernest,you guys are about 3,000 miles away from me but I was there in spirit and always will be.
54 posted on 04/05/2009 7:19:49 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Looks like an excellent group! Long over due as well!!

55 posted on 04/05/2009 7:24:46 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I forgot to ping you. Please see my post #44. :)

56 posted on 04/05/2009 7:59:05 AM PDT by EveningStar ("...If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken / Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools...")
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To: seenenuf; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Tweeker; The Spirit Of Allegiance; Jo Nuvark
Very late notice:

Geert Wilders is also scheduled to speak in LA a couple hours from now at the Skirball Center. link

57 posted on 04/05/2009 8:09:08 AM PDT by EveningStar ("...If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken / Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools...")
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To: seenenuf; Grampa Dave
BUT I don't think FR has a designated ‘Jihad watch’ type page or ping list

GD and I were active in posting many notes and used the keyword Jihad in America

58 posted on 04/05/2009 8:13:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: EveningStar; All; tgambill
Thanks...won't make that event....but yesterday was excellent...thanks for posting the excellent note and it was very good to meet you.

Was just searching back thru the Jihad in America keyword list...from 2006:<)P>Twenty-Year Plan: Islam Targets America

*************************EXCERPT INTRO*****************************

This is my analysis of the Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020! Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11? .......

Posted by tgambill

59 posted on 04/05/2009 8:21:58 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: seenenuf; Ernest_at_the_Beach; TADSLOS; Shermy; piasa; Travis McGee; BOBTHENAILER; Squantos; ...

Some of us have been monitoring and posting about the true home grown American Jihadist Group, al Fuqra, since 2001.

One can only wonder how many al Fuqra Thugs have been sanitized as members of Acorn and are ready to become 0Boz0’s million man volunteer army.

Below is and example of a thread with the key word: al Fuqra

o comments.

Meet Al-Fuqra (Another Domestic Muslim Terrorist Group - My Title)
National Review ^ | December 31, 2001 | By John J. Miller

Posted on Friday, December 21, 2001 6:10:19 AM by TADSLOS

A Junior al-Qaeda . . .: . . . right here at home

There are a lot of Baptist churches along rural Virginia’s Route 615, just south of Appomattox-”where America reunited,” as the county welcome sign puts it-but there’s only one Sheikh Gilani Lane. A gate and a guardhouse prevent the public from driving very far down it. What lies beyond, however, isn’t a closed-off community of rich retirees. Instead, it’s a trailer-park compound of black Muslims, or “The Muslims of America,” according to a green billboard by the entrance, where an armed guard keeps a wary eye on the main road’s traffic.

Until recently, this was the home of Vicente Rafael Pierre, a 44-year-old Brooklyn native with a shadowy past and a dim future. He may never see this home again. Shortly after September 11, federal agents snared him in their roundup of crime suspects who have links to terrorist outfits. Nobody has accused Pierre of any direct connection to the atrocities in New York or elsewhere—he and his wife, Traci Upshur, were taken in on unrelated gun charges and convicted of them on November 30. Yet authorities have detailed Pierre’s extensive ties to al-Fuqra, a violent group of black Muslims whose members have been implicated in at least 17 bombings and 12 murders over the past twenty years. Pierre’s Virginia compound, near the tiny crossroads hamlet of Red House, is believed to serve as an al-Fuqra base.

Pierre’s story is compelling in its own right—anybody connected to al-Fuqra is also connected to killers, bombers, and arsonists. During Pierre’s detention hearing in October, Thomas P. Gallagher of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms said he and his colleagues were worried about the possibility of “another Waco situation” developing in rural Virginia. More unsettling is the potential for al-Fuqra to wreak mayhem beyond its remote compound.

Pierre’s case shows how militant groups organize and finance themselves—and also how federal law-enforcement authorities are responding to these known threats. Pierre, for instance, might still be free today but for 9/11. He was the subject of an ongoing gun probe when federal agents decided to accelerate his indictment. U.S. attorney John Brownlee explained the strategy: “Prevent first and prosecute second.” Although Pierre has not been charged with any violence, he’s close to those who have been, including at least one person involved in the 1998 embassy bombings and Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network.

Al-Fuqra—which means “the impoverished” in Arabic—was founded in 1980 when Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani traveled from Pakistan to an African-American mosque in Brooklyn. On this and subsequent trips, the charismatic sheikh helped create al-Fuqra, which is said to have between 1,000 and 3,000 members nationwide. It is not aligned with a more prominent and homegrown black Muslim group, the Nation of Islam, and in fact it has serious theological differences with Louis Farrakhan’s flock. And it may pose a much greater threat to civil society.

About two dozen families live at the 44-acre compound near Red House, but al-Fuqra is headquartered in Hancock, N.Y., and maintains extensive ties to Gilani in Lahore. Members of the sect occasionally travel abroad for what Gallagher calls “paramilitary and survivalist training” under Gilani’s supervision. Although Pierre has testified that he has not visited Pakistan, the BATF says at least one of the other Red House residents did go there, and Gallagher claims there is evidence of training in Afghanistan as well. Gilani recruited Americans to fight with the mujaheddin against the Soviets during the 1980s.

Al-Fuqra demonstrated its violent streak and national reach early on. A study written by Yehudit Barsky and published by the Anti-Defamation League catalogues the group’s activities. From its first days more than two decades ago, members have attacked a virtual rainbow coalition of targets, including Hare Krishnas in San Diego, Hindus in Toronto, Sikhs in Seattle, and Buddhists in Illinois. Many of their favorite victims have links to India; Gilani is obsessed with the Kashmir conflict and views India as a mortal enemy. In 1983, al-Fuqra firebombed a Portland, Ore., hotel owned by the late Indian guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. But al-Fuqra’s hatred also extends to Muslims with whom they have doctrinal differences. A month after the Portland attack, for instance, two members murdered a rival Muslim leader in Michigan, and then were themselves killed when they set fire to an Islamic center in Detroit.

An incident in 1989 demonstrated the group’s calculated ruthlessness and also introduced Pierre to federal agents. Police on a search warrant raided a Colorado Springs storage locker registered to Pierre’s father-in-law, who is also an al-Fuqra member. Inside they found information on a scam Pierre and others were running against Colorado’s workers’ compensation fund; they had defrauded the state of some $355,000 over several years. The locker’s other contents were more alarming: ten handguns and silencers, 30 pounds of explosives, and target-practice silhouettes pierced with bullet holes and labeled “FBI Antiterrorist Team” and “Zionist Pig” (in Pierre’s handwriting, according to Gallagher). Police also found information on local military installations and electrical power lines, plus “attack plans” against various targets. One of the targets, a moderate imam, was stabbed to death four months later.

Pierre dropped from sight, but he was located several years later working as a security guard in Pennsylvania. Put on trial in Colorado in 1993, he was convicted for his role in the workers’-comp swindle and sentenced to four years of probation. He was not linked to the murder of Khalifa, however; that crime was charged to James D. Williams, who remained a fugitive until last year, when he was arrested in Lynchburg, Va., not far from the Red House compound where he is believed to have lived and where he would have been one of Pierre’s neighbors. (Earlier this year, Williams was sentenced to 69 years in prison.) During his detention hearing in October, Pierre denied knowing Williams, even though their names appeared alongside each other on documents found in the storage locker; he also denied the existence of al-Fuqra. “This is a phantom, nonexistent organization which does not exist,” said Pierre. “It’s just a figment of someone’s imagination due to their ignorance of the Arabic language or perhaps due to their hate or prejudice of al-Islam.”

This was a surprising claim, because many others—including Sheikh Gilani—have discussed al-Fuqra’s activities. Pierre’s very real participation in the al-Fuqra plot to rip off the state of Colorado is what made his arrest this year possible: Because of his 1993 felony conviction, federal law bars him from buying firearms, yet this is precisely what he tried to do at a gun store near Red House by having his wife make a “straw purchase” on his behalf.

Al-Fuqra’s activities may be small-scale compared to those of al-Qaeda, but there is evidence linking the two groups. According to Gallagher, one of the men who assisted al-Fuqra in monitoring the murdered imam in 1989 was Wadih el-Hage, an al-Qaeda member sentenced to life in prison this October for his role in the 1998 embassy bombings.

Pierre and his wife won’t be sentenced until April 5, and there’s reason to think that others who live in the Red House compound continue to stockpile illegal weapons. On December 3, another Red House man, Bilal Abdullah Ben Benu, was indicted on federal firearms charges.

Some have questioned why the Bush administration wants to detain and prosecute people like Pierre and Benu, who have no apparent connection to the events of September 11. But the alternative to charging them with relatively minor crimes is to wait and see if they commit major ones later, and to catch them afterwards—if we can, and when it’s too late

60 posted on 04/05/2009 8:35:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: EveningStar; seenenuf
On the FITNA movie:

Movie Portrays Islam as Violent and Bloodthirsty


Hillel Fendel - Mar 28, 2008 Arutz-7

( The long-awaited and controversial movie Fitna, which graphically portrays Islam as a religion seeking to dominate the world and slaughter non-believers, finally debuted on the internet on Thursday night. Within two hours of the film's release on Britain's video site, close to two million people had seen it. More than half of them were from Holland, home to the film's producer, Dutch politician Geert Wilders.

The screening of the movie had been in doubt after the world's largest website name registrar, Network Solutions, decided to block the movie's home site. The decision to censor the film bolstered concerns that the extent of the fear of Islamic violence has even affected WWW content. On Thursday, the UN Human Rights Council passed a resolution against the movie. Proposed by Islamic countries, the resolution passed by a 21-10 vote, over the opposition of Europe and Canada.

Despite all, LiveLeak stepped in to film the movie, at , explaining, "There was no legal reason to refuse Geert Wilders the right to post his film on, and it is not our place to censor people based on an emotive response." Many websites feared even to list the URL at which the movie could be seen. Response to the film has not been as intense as feared - though Dutch police had upped security precautions to near-top levels. The movie was condemned by Iran, Indonesia, and the Netherlands, but no rioting or other reactions like those that followed the publication in Denmark of anti-Mohammed cartoons have broken out.

Fitna includes graphic footage of Moslem terror attacks around the world, including beheadings, disfigured bodies, destroyed buses, and the like. The scenes are accompanied by the relevant verses in the Koran, such as, "Prepare for them whatever force and cavalry ye are able of gathering to strike terror, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies." This particular verse is followed by clips of a plane slamming into the World Trade Center and setting the building afire, and imams calling for the annihilation of all infidels.

One Moslem cleric is seen calling for the murder of Jews; he unsheathes a sword and cries out in nearly uncontrollable frenzy, "By Allah, we shall cut off the Jew's head! Allah is great! Allah is great! Jihad for the sake of Allah!" The audience, in a similar frenzy, cheers him on.

The film ends with the sound of a page being torn out of a book, followed by stark sentences on the screen reading, "It is not up to me, but up to Moslems themselves to tear out the hateful verses from the Koran. Muslims want you to make way for Islam, but Islam does not make way for you. The government insists that you respect Islam, but Islam has no respect for you. Islam wants to rule, submit, and seeks to destroy our Western civilization. In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe. In 1989, Communism was defeated in Europe. Now, the Islamic ideology has to be defeated."

61 posted on 04/05/2009 9:23:33 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: Grampa Dave
One can only wonder how many al Fuqra Thugs have been sanitized as members of Acorn and are ready to become 0Boz0’s million man volunteer army.

I suspect the truth will be an eye opener, for about 10% of the kool-aid drinkers. The other 90% already have gone past that "old news". Billy Clinton forever killed the capacity for outrage in way to many sheeple.

62 posted on 04/05/2009 10:58:50 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (my tagline is over-stimulated)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Related thread: Fitna - a short documentary film about Islam by Geert Wilders
63 posted on 04/05/2009 11:30:43 AM PDT by EveningStar ("...If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken / Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools...")
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To: seenenuf

ISSlamo-fascist should stop shouting like they always do to silence critics...
Or average grassroots americans should kick their -SS strongly and quickly so that they understand that they are not going to rule USA as they do in france

64 posted on 04/05/2009 4:33:59 PM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Ulysse
ACT is the answer, IMO.
I don't know where you live, but take a look at and see if there is a Chapter near you.
Our media seems intimidated - because they know what can
happen to reporters. Most unfortunately, the California parents of kids in the 7th grade don't know what the kids are learning in school,,,,
on OUR dime.
65 posted on 04/05/2009 4:51:04 PM PDT by seenenuf ( PREPARE TO BE TESTED!)
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To: EveningStar

While there is a large population of Muslims in Irvine,
there are vast numbers of Christian Persians as well.
They lived under Saddam Hussein and are not about to
let it happen here. The Vietnamese who came here in
the 70’s are a silent force as well.

(My opinion through rosey lenses)

66 posted on 04/05/2009 8:54:38 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark; A Navy Vet

Hi Jo... I know this is an older thread (and I don’t know how I got here, either... LOL...)...

You said — Try Alaska or Idaho.

No..., no... Jo... :-) It’s Oklahoma...

Just look at the last election. Every single county in the state went for the Republican ticket. And when we see other major metropolitan areas in the U.S. usually going “Democrat” even if a state, itself is conservative — in the case of Oklahoma, the two biggest and major metro areas went *completely Republican*.

A few years ago, Oklahoma passed one of the strictest “illegal immigration” bills in the country. And now..., most of the illegals just *packed up and left the state* when it became effective. You don’t see them here anymore.

ALSO, Oklahoma is one of two or three states in the country, so far, who is working on passing a bill to make it *mandatory* for a Presidential Candidate to produce his documentation to prove he’s qualified for office (per the Constitution), or the candidate will *not* be on the ballot in this state.

So, remember now..., it’s “Oklahoma” that is the most conservative state in the United States. And, I’m glad I’m here... :-)

And if you want to live in one of the metro areas, I would recommend Tulsa, as it’s in “Green Country”.... And the price for real estate in Oklahoma and in Tulsa, has always been a bargain, especially when you come from another state. You can get a good buy.

67 posted on 04/16/2009 6:17:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: seenenuf

Well, some required information then...

Geert Wilders and FITNA

You can see FITNA here...,

Someone else posted a YouTube interview of Geert Wilders, another thing to see.

First part of 6 parts...

68 posted on 04/16/2009 6:21:47 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: seenenuf

Geert Wilders BUMP.

69 posted on 04/16/2009 6:23:05 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Star Traveler

I’m convinced. When we decided to move out of California the kids said they would never visit if we didn’t live on the West Coast. We chose Olympia Washington. Who knew this is not only a liberal state but has actual card carrying communists seated in office.

It’s a crazy world. Come quickly Jesus. Come before winter.

70 posted on 04/16/2009 7:46:42 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: All
One of the BEST Geert Wilders interviews on YouTube:


71 posted on 04/21/2009 12:53:36 AM PDT by Two Pocket Shirt ( Do not be confused. Islam IS terror.)
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