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Posted on 04/05/2009 4:36:51 PM PDT by ChrisInAR
What do you talk about at lunch with Tom Tancredo? I thought I knew, but to my surprise (and relief), we spent much of the hour discussing the wisdom of legalizing drugs rather than rehashing our disagreements over illegal immigrants.
"The status quo isn't working," Tancredo says, meaning the war on drugs has failed spectacularly. And while that's hardly a novel insight, most people who reach it don't take the next step of questioning the drug war itself.
(Excerpt) Read more at denverpost.com ...
There are other conservatives who are expressing skepticism with the War on Drugs.
Whooda thunk? I knew Mr. Tancredo was a member of the Republican Liberty Caucus when he was in Congress, but I thought he was a staunch Drug Warrior in the likes of Biden, Bush I, Bennett, etc. etc. etc. Now I have just ANOTHER reason to proclaim him as a hero of mine!
Yes, except then we get labeled as libertarians and sneered at.
All that will happen will be many more people smoking damaging stuff that encourages nothing but sitting around and eating while off in another world.
And the Mexican drug lords will pump even more of the harder stuff here, because that will still be desired and still won't be taxed.
Do you really want the federal Government to keep on telling what is good or bad to put in our bodies... Didn’t prohibition tell you something???
Don’t forget about Reagan who expanded the drug war ten fold..
Decriminalize marijuana and let people grow a limit of plants, that’s it. No taxes, no regulation and keep it illegal to sell, transport or distribute it or drive under the influence. Problem solved...
The States can decide where to go on this issue, & they should be free to be as strict or as lenient on this issue (& a whole host of others) that the people so desire. That’s why we have a 10th Amendment.
*And the Mexican drug lords will pump even more of the harder stuff here....*
Tanc has always been a flake.
Duncan Hunter for years was the leader against the illegals and the author of the border fence bill.
Here in San Diego, our southern border is Mexico and Hunter
Never advocated legalizing drugs.
How about FINDING the Mexican drug lords, and KILLING them?
How many countries have legalized marijuana, such that it is available to be bought and sold, grown and used?
That would be sensible. But you can’t stop the trafficking in a scenario like that. You just can’t.
When I was growing up, drug dealing, in my peer group, was a gentleman’s game. It was all very casual. We knew there was violence and smuggling some where along the line, but we never saw any of that. Get involved with blacks dealing dope though, and the knives and guns came out immediately.
PS to Conservative Mind: do we all sit around drinking booze? Of course not, sillybilly!
I’ve asked this of ChrisinAR: How many countries in the world legally allow marijuana to be grown, sold, bought, and used as you’d like to use it?
When you get that answer, tell me why you believe it should work here.
You’ll stop demand for foreign marijuana overnight, and give people the right to grow a plant. It can’t more simple than that. Enforce the laws on the books against selling and transport same as now but the demand will be dramatically less.
I don’t know & I really don’t care. I live in the US...& in the State of Arkansas. That’s what matters to me.
signup April 5, 2009
Tell DU their brains are already fried from drugs
This is going to be fun. I’ve asked ChrisinAR and katya8, who are proponents of full legalization of marijuana, to find out how many countries allow marijuana to be grown, sold, bought, and smoked.
What is funny is that these sorts of people do not actually have a clue about what they are saying and are living in their own doped up world of idealism.
They won’t be able to find a country that supports their stance, just like they have no clue about how it should “help us” by being legalized.
Decriminalization is not the same as being legal.
Good luck to the pot smokers. You have already proved my point.
Oh, and to help you pot smokers out a bit (I figure you have probably given up because that is what is expected of pot smokers), you can start your search by going here:
Yup, just as I thought, you gave up.
Hey, I helped you out a bit in my prior post. Take a look at that link.
You do that by clicking on it and waiting until a page shows up in your BROWSER. Of course, if you are currently doped up, you can hold off until you sober up sometime after noon tomorrow.
I’m ambivalent about dsstigmatizing drugs. I’m also ambivalent or worse about the “war on drugs”. Neither has a good side.
What does worry me greatly about this is the selling point. Legalize pot and all the criminality associated with pot will disappear. I’m sure it will in the short run.
What I see happening in short order, if marijuana is legalized, is that all the land in Mexico and further south used to grow pot, will become worthless to the narcos. In no time this crop will be scrapped in favor of cocaine and heroine.
Then, we’ll have a great chance to see how much law and order is restored.
I also find it strange that legalizers think that lowering the cost of marijuana will not greatly increase consumption. Have they never learned the basics of supply and demand? If people are allowed to grow their own pot, how are you going to still ban them from selling and distributing the stuff? Many pot-smokers are too lazy to become farmers and will continue to buy from others. If the stuff becomes legal, the govt. will tax it like alcohol and big commercial agribusinesses will market it; then you can forget about ever reversing course.
Most of the legalize drugs folks live in small towns
where they don’t see or hear of the traffic accidents, violence, etc. that is caused by those on Marajuana, etc.
Not funny watching the news about innocent people killed
thanks to pot heads.
There, that's corrected
Did it ever occur to you there are people that support the legalization of Marijuana that have never smoked pot?
I haven’t given up like you said, ‘cuz I’m not @ my computer all the time this afternoon. I think it’s safe to say that there are FEW — if any — countries that have completely legalized marijuana outright. But then again, there are few nations that have put a man on the moon, either. Let the US prove its exceptionalism by once again being the 1st. I have read, however, that Nepal may not be as draconian as, say, Iran, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, & the US are (that’s great company for the US to be in, ain’t it? You should be proud!). Switzerland, Spain &/or Portugal might be a few other less-than-draconian nations. Pot is technically illegal in Holland, but they haven’t enforced the law like you think they should, & unfortunately, they might be thinking about doing so.
Then, strangely, they are even more clueless.
There is no country that can serve as a template for this “idealized” concept of full legalization of marijuana.
As a result, such people want us to be the guinea pig. I will not support that.
I’d think such people would think that muggings would go down if we legalized mugging. It’s a similar concept.
Tobacco smuggling. (if we legalize it they will stop)
Tom Tancredo is right.
While I don’t want people to abuse drugs, it is obvious that what we’ve been doing hasn’t been working, and the collateral damage has been enormous.
Tom threw me when he voted in favor of the big bank bailout.
Unfortunately, statism has taken so strong a hold even among some people who call themselves conservatives, that they won't even consider anything other than the same policies that have failed. You cannot even suggest modest changes without being accused of being a drug addict or a drug pusher. If you suggest that the state treat adults like adults, people will say you want to sell crack cocaine to infants. It is like talking about gun control with leftists - they will accuse you of wanting to give kindergarten students machine guns. They are like some liberals who imagine that just one more gun control law will magically end violent crime.
I suggest you move to Malaysia in order to prevent us dopeheads from taking over. We’re coming after you! LOL
Pot heads, or boozers causing accidents.
Both drugs and booze are mind altering.
People need to find out why they need their mind altered.
Escape never solves the problem.
I’m sure you would have opposed the US being a “guinea big” for having a non-monarchical government in 1776.
UGH....I didn’t know that. Thanx for the info.
This boils down to an issue of liberty. It is also an issue of the 10th amendment. Where are the feds authorized? Most people who are fervent defenders of “drug” prohibition would not consider making alcohol and tobacco illegal, and usually on the issue of liberty. If someone wants to smoke crack, let ‘em. If they break the law while on crack, prosecute them for the crime. This can also be looked at as a way to purge the gene pool.
That is a good point. I don’t know if it’s so much the case that legalization is the answer to all the associated problems, but I think it is time we at least do a more fundamental reassessment of the strategies currently being used.
I don’t think drug use has been increasing by any significant degree, but we’ve had increasing problems with drug-related violence.
This violence, however, is associated with illegal immigration as well, and it’s hard to draw a line between the two problems.
While I dont want people to abuse drugs, it is obvious that what weve been doing hasnt been working, and the collateral damage has been enormous.
Please tell me something: does the 5 Principles on this link sound reasonable to you?
Not at all. Greece and Rome were our forefathers on those fronts.
Care to come up with a real example?
Mexico does not produce cocaine and they only produce a small amount of heroin. They do, however, buy cocaine from South America and smuggle it into this country and distribute it. The government estimates that Mexicans smuggle in and distributed about 90% of the cocaine consumed in this country and more than 80% of the meth and heroin. They already supply most all the demand for these drugs in this country, so they can't exactly just switch to selling these drugs if we take marijuana from them. There's not much upside left in the market for those drugs.
JOIN THE TEA PARTY.
Do you think the states should be the ones to decide such policies, or should it be fedgov, in your opinion?
Tsk, Tsk. Wouldn’t it be better to refer to it as deleting from the society, or something else a little more nuanced?
Remember, we musn’t offend anyone.
Let me put it this way. I would be for allowing either the Federal government or the States (ideally the States) to institute their own drug policy under the condition that no federal monies would go to any sort of welfare or medical aid for the abusers and the States would have to implement a torture penalty and use it, along with considering all crimes done by those on such controlled substances as being premeditated.
This way, those who willingly kill or maim others will never again have the opportunity to do so, and the torture for those who don't get capital punishment will help encourage those who continue to take drugs to straighten up.
The status quo isn’t working,” Tancredo says, meaning the war on drugs has failed
So the same can be said for the millions of illegals coming into the U.S. for the past many years.
So Tancredo must be for leagalizing the illegals already in the U.S.
We can't even keep drugs out of our prisons. That being the case, how much freedom do we need to give up to become a drug-free society?
Do you think the Constitution delegates such authority to fedgov under the Commerce Clause? Or do you think the states have this authority under the Tenth Amendment?