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Ethical questions over harvesting dead son's sperm
Associated Press ^ | Sat Apr 11 | JAMIE STENGLE

Posted on 04/11/2009 11:25:28 AM PDT by Roger_Wildcat

DALLAS – Nikolas Colton Evans had talked about how much he wanted to have a child, but the 21-year-old died after he was punched and hit his head on the ground in a fight. That would have been the end of it, if it weren't for his determined mother, a court order and a urologist. Missy Evans has harvested her dead son's sperm and hopes to find a surrogate and one day raise her son's child. It's a decision that ethicists say raises troubling questions; one called the potential offspring a "replacement child." Evans isn't concerned about what others might think. She says she is only doing what her son would have wanted.

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1 posted on 04/11/2009 11:25:28 AM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
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To: Roger_Wildcat

Where do all of these fertility freaks come from??


2 posted on 04/11/2009 11:28:06 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Dont Tread on Me)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

Ethics, hell, it’s creepy and wrong!


3 posted on 04/11/2009 11:29:27 AM PDT by papasmurf (Guns didn't make America unsafe, Courts and Congress did!)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

Whatever.

It is non of our business.


4 posted on 04/11/2009 11:30:20 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: papasmurf

Yeah, its just too icky - I can’t believe they even thought of it.


5 posted on 04/11/2009 11:31:10 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: Roger_Wildcat
She says she is only doing what her son would have wanted.

decompression sickness

6 posted on 04/11/2009 11:32:39 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Roger_Wildcat
Evans isn't concerned about what others might think. She says she is only doing what her son would have wanted.

Yeah. It's what her son wanted.

Let me guess whom this selfless mother voted for.

ML/NJ

7 posted on 04/11/2009 11:33:44 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Roger_Wildcat

If she has the $$$, “ethics” won’t stop her. The artificial reproduction industry is all about money.


8 posted on 04/11/2009 11:34:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." ~Sam Brown)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Medical ethics is none of our business?


9 posted on 04/11/2009 11:35:27 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("Mr. President, I support you but not your mission. I'm showing my patriotism through dissent.")
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To: Roger_Wildcat

Evidently there are only ethical concerns when someone wants to bring a child to life.

Murdering millions of babies......no problem.


10 posted on 04/11/2009 11:35:37 AM PDT by Carley (President Obama Dropped a MOAB on America)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

11 posted on 04/11/2009 11:35:50 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks.)
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To: papasmurf

>Ethics, hell, it’s creepy and wrong!

Howso? Is it wrong to want a child? Is it wrong to want to honor someone you loved?

No, it is far more wrong to treat an unexpected child as ‘unwanted’ and to kill someone who had no hand in whether they would exist or not.

And how is it creepy? I should hope that when I die my organs will be used in transplants... after all, I won’t be using them after I’m dead. Is that [donating organs] so radically different from harvesting/using sperm? After someone is dead, they can hardly be made to account for the actions of the living.


12 posted on 04/11/2009 11:35:57 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: papasmurf

One DEAD son
One grieving mother
One POTENTIAL living human being
WHEN DOES THIS BECOME EVERYBODY’S DAMN BUSINESS??
Sometimes, wisdom is keeping your mouth shut. Sometimes!!!
Sometimes, wisdom is speaking up. Sometimes!!!
True wisdom is knowing when to...... ?


13 posted on 04/11/2009 11:36:02 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

“Sometimes, Mrs. Evans, it’s better this way.”

14 posted on 04/11/2009 11:36:37 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Roger_Wildcat

I don’t think it’s a moral issue at all. As long as the parents have the obligation to raise the grandchild, it’s none of anyone’s business.


15 posted on 04/11/2009 11:37:23 AM PDT by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: babygene
As long as the parents have the obligation to raise the grandchild ...

But they don't. The father is dead. The mother would be a contract-hiree with no obligation beyond the delivery. (If that ... suppose she decide she wanted to abort partway through pregnancy? Would the courts uphold contract law over her "choice"?)

And the grandmother, who did such a great job with her son, could charge the taxpayer, like millions of other "parents."

16 posted on 04/11/2009 11:46:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." ~Sam Brown)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Actually, it is our business. This woman’s son had no way of knowing he’d die young and that his mother would commission a surrogate to bear his children — using sperm harvested from his corpse. I would not want this done to me if I died prematurely — need I get a lawyer to draw up the papers that will prevent that from happening if I should die? Perhaps.


17 posted on 04/11/2009 11:47:52 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Roger_Wildcat
Shows like Chicago hope have dealt with this, but in the case where the patient was married or engaged and they already planned on having a child. Even in those cases it is a little creepy and macabre
18 posted on 04/11/2009 11:49:30 AM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: babygene

I agree. I’d rather celebrate life and someone to love and nurture it. The only problem I have with it is that there will most likely be left over embryos from the process that will either result in something like octo-mom or end up being expiramented on thanks to the Obama administration.


19 posted on 04/11/2009 11:52:29 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: babygene

Did this young man explicitly state that he wants to produce a child that he’ll never see because he’s dead? I think not. He wanted a family, which is different then donating his DNA to be combined with a stranger to produce a child that will never know its father.


20 posted on 04/11/2009 11:53:28 AM PDT by uncommonsense (liberals see what they believe and conservatives believe what they see)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

I have to admit if my only son died and I were in a financial position to freeze his sperm I would do it until I located a surrogate I wouldn’t hesitate to do it.


21 posted on 04/11/2009 11:54:41 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: utahagen; Jeff Chandler

I can understand your points of view.


22 posted on 04/11/2009 11:55:35 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: lilylangtree

Is your son over 18? You should have him donate sperm for storage, in case something happens to him. That’s much cheaper than having it removed after he’s dead.


23 posted on 04/11/2009 11:59:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." ~Sam Brown)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

I’m sorry that she lost her son but IMHO this is NOT what her son would’ve wanted. He wanted to raise his own child with who he wanted to have his children with not someone Mommy contrated with just so she could have a grandchild. Big difference. If he had a wife and she was doing this it would be different, this is just creepy.


24 posted on 04/11/2009 12:03:25 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: OneWingedShark
“Howso? Is it wrong to want a child? Is it wrong to want to honor someone you loved?”

In this circumstance? Yeah.

Being brought into the world in an attempt to recreate another person is indeed skin-crawingly sick and creepy. This pathetic woman doesn't “want” a child and she isn't “honoring” anybody. She wants her dead boy back. For the sake of the Human Life she is playing with I hope she fails.

Frikin’ Stephen King novel.

25 posted on 04/11/2009 12:12:22 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: OneWingedShark

Organs are a different matter, altogether.

I believe it’s wrong for Man to create a life through means other than the way God intended us to. Or, Mother Nature, if you prefer.

It’s creepy, to me, for a Mother to want to create her dead Son’s baby. I could understand a wife wanting to, not that I would think it’s not wrong, but it wouldn’t be so creepy. By my way of thinking, mom is in denial and creating a replacement Son brings that emotional state to life.

I didn’t read the article, did she also want to “fertilize that sperm herself?


26 posted on 04/11/2009 12:17:47 PM PDT by papasmurf (Guns didn't make America unsafe, Courts and Congress did!)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

It became my damn business when it was posted FOR DISCUSSION.

If you don’t want to learn others’ opinions, don’t click. Personally, I’ve found that some of my opinions can change by learning form another person’s opinion. Hence, the reason I joined FReerepublic.

Take your own advice.


27 posted on 04/11/2009 12:22:00 PM PDT by papasmurf (Guns didn't make America unsafe, Courts and Congress did!)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

I was knocked out and I’m still alive. Half of my vision was even fuzzy for about 10 minutes.


28 posted on 04/11/2009 12:24:08 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Roger_Wildcat
Missy Evans has harvested her dead son's sperm

Did they scrape the bed sheets?

29 posted on 04/11/2009 12:25:45 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Roger_Wildcat

If there are no other, ulterior motives, such as an attempt at making a claim upon an estate, I see no reason to condemn what this woman did, out of love for her son, and a desire to see that he reproduced, and that she has grandchildren.

Morally, I can see why some don’t like it, and it could potentially open up some difficult situations down the road.


30 posted on 04/11/2009 12:47:15 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jeff Chandler

Just a question:

Is that part of medical ethics? Never heard of it.


31 posted on 04/11/2009 1:56:15 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

A fair number of women have been impregnated with their dead husbands saved tadpoles.


32 posted on 04/11/2009 2:00:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: lilylangtree

I’m pretty much with you dear.

Funny to see how the forum is divided over this.

Wonder what percentage of the pros have kids and the negs do not (yet)


33 posted on 04/11/2009 2:02:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: Sawdring

that was pretty mean and unfunny.

i assume the young man was on life support in a hospital and they harvest the sperm just like anything else


34 posted on 04/11/2009 2:04:20 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: wardaddy

It seems that nobody wants to just deal with what life gives and takes away. In this case, it seems weird to me. No Father, a surrogate Mother. Just creepy. But I don’t know if illlegal or even if it should be. We can’t make illegal every creepy thing people do.

And the man saying he wanted children doesn’t have anything to do with this. He is gone, he will never see or love them.


35 posted on 04/11/2009 2:11:08 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

On the face of it I would support the family’s decision to do it....but I concede it’s unusual.

But I’m pretty sure wives have done this already with harvested taddies from dead spouse.


36 posted on 04/11/2009 2:12:23 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: wardaddy
i assume

Yes you did. I didn't even assume, I just asked a question.

37 posted on 04/11/2009 2:22:47 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Roger_Wildcat

About 15 years ago, when I was training in the hospital with the IV team to learn IV insertion , one of the patients I had was a “neurologically devastated” 21 year old who had a devastating brain injury. His mother was interrupted by a nurse on more than one occasion trying to collect her son’s sperm “au natural”, so that she could inseminate his girlfriend, and thus have a grandchild. I never heard whether she was successful...


38 posted on 04/11/2009 7:12:45 PM PDT by Born Conservative (Bohicaville: http://bohicaville.wordpress.com/)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

While I am sorry for this woman’s grief, children are not commodities. They are human beings with a right to a mother and a father. This episode is another example of the selfishness in our society. Nobody is considering what is best for this future child.


39 posted on 04/11/2009 7:22:44 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (The government turns every contingency into an excuse for enhancing power in itself. - John Adams)
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To: Sawdring
I just asked a question.

No, you tried to be cute, it failed. Note no raucous applause.

Did they scrape the bed sheets?

Nope the poignant or pathetic (depends on your view) notion of a mother's dealing with her dead kid and no grandchild is a tough one to make viable locker room jokes about, but feel free ...here's your shovel Lenny.

40 posted on 04/11/2009 8:54:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: lilylangtree

There but for the Grace of God...
I would be inconsolable if I lost a child. It is a grief where you do what you need to do to get through the night. I cannot fault her. It is not something I would consider, but it is not my business or my grief.


41 posted on 04/11/2009 9:09:40 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Americans Bow to No One; Obama Bows to Saudi KINGS and Lies about it.)
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To: wardaddy

Who is Lenny?


42 posted on 04/12/2009 6:45:03 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Roger_Wildcat
Quick. Somebody call Springer. There is a show in this.

Am I the only one who noticed there is no mention of the dead 21 year old's own father?

Am I the only one who noticed there is no mention of the dead 21 year old's mother's occupation?

Am I the only one who noticed the dead 21 year old's mother said "This is probably going to bankrupt me and I will do whatever I can to make it happen."

43 posted on 04/12/2009 6:51:13 AM PDT by magellan
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To: magellan

The article mentioned an ex-husband (presumably the late young man’s father) and another son (presumably a brother). Although one never knows, in the modern “family.”

No living dad for the manufactured trophy-babe, and we may assume the taxpayer will foot the bill to rear it.


44 posted on 04/12/2009 7:20:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." ~Sam Brown)
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"The article mentioned an ex-husband (presumably the late young man’s father) and another son (presumably a brother)."

Thanks. I somehow skipped right over that paragraph.

45 posted on 04/12/2009 7:44:14 AM PDT by magellan
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To: magellan

Happens to us all.

It’s a shame none of the family members suggested counseling for her grief, rather than this unfortunate project.


46 posted on 04/12/2009 12:38:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." ~Sam Brown)
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