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The seal is broken on seceding from the Union and is now mainstream discussion. ^ | 4/16/2009 | Eric Gurr

Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog

What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.

In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.

When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; confederacy; confederate; cwii; seceding; secession; statesrights
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To: pgkdan

If you think the divide is bad now, just wait until the democrats legalize the 20-40 million illegal aliens currently in our country.

Don’t think they aren’t licking their chops at setting up another democrat dependancy group which will give them an almost insurmountable advantage in national elections.

21 posted on 04/16/2009 7:13:15 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (We've gone from Jefferson to the Jeffersons)
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To: RC2

I have said for years that the answer is to declare DC a museum district, make all the representatives go home to the states that elected them. No need to have them cloistered away in DC, they need to be where their constituents can watch them closely and keep them honest. We live in the age of instant information, DC is from the time that men traveled on horseback and it took days and weeks to communicate.

22 posted on 04/16/2009 7:15:12 AM PDT by pepperdog (The world has gone crazy.)
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To: reagan_fanatic


23 posted on 04/16/2009 7:15:45 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: rrdog
Before dissolution, I would like to see states stand up to D.C., withhold taxes, ignore the 17th amendment, force a return to The Constitution of The Republic.

Lets see how Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Frank handle that.

24 posted on 04/16/2009 7:16:23 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: achilles2000

pretty easy to get rid of parasites in the free states.

just cut off their gov’t benies and they’re outa here.

Now, keeping the libs from leaking in, escaping their hellholes, but bringing their screwed up ideology with them - that’s a more difficult nut to crack... Ideological test? Voting history test?

25 posted on 04/16/2009 7:16:31 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Halls
I think both sides needs to recognize this and agree to seperate.

You have to realize, it's not just our wealth and industriousness they need to support their socialism, but it's more of a control issue - they will NEVER allow you to escape their control, because they know better.

26 posted on 04/16/2009 7:17:49 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Seruzawa

From the lefties I’ve talked to about this issue,
they don’t believe that conservatives supply the wealth for the welfare state. It’s more a matter of it being antithetical to their ideology to allow anyone to escape their control.

27 posted on 04/16/2009 7:19:11 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: reagan_fanatic

I believe they’ve already closed the “ballot box” of liberty.

28 posted on 04/16/2009 7:19:53 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: kittymyrib

I don’t know that I’d consider that a flaw. The founders never foresaw that their words would be so twisted; they were honorable men. The problem is so much power concentrated in the federal government. Frankly, the same problem existed in our (first?) war for independence. The United States succeeded in creating virtually the same system against which we rose up. Through elections we created an elite class who believe they know better than we how to spend our money and run our lives. It’s almost like we’ve found our way back to the lowest common denominator.

29 posted on 04/16/2009 7:21:24 AM PDT by FourPeas (I am the pink flamingo on the great lawn of life.)
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To: MrNeutron1962
...we will end up worse off than the Hindu’s in Pakistan after partition.

Well come on down and bring your firearms.

30 posted on 04/16/2009 7:21:37 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: rrdog

If a person openly petitions his state government's elected officials to secede from the United States, is that person guily of sedition or worse, treason? Or is the aforementioned speech Contitutionally protected?

31 posted on 04/16/2009 7:23:40 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: achilles2000

You misgauge the mindset of a Texan to characterize them this way.

Texas’s unique background as a sovereign nation with an independent streak is ingrained in its historical negotiated entry into this country, which no other state possesses.

When the Republic of Texas agreed to become a state, the US accepted two conditions demanded by Texas:

1. Texas kept all of its states lands. This caused tremendous acreage to be kept away from federal control, and promoted private ownership to levels few states enjoyed.

2. Any time Texas wishes, it can split into 5 states. What does this do? Gives 8 more conservative US Senators from this area. (Northerners cringe on this one.)

32 posted on 04/16/2009 7:24:48 AM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: rrdog

33 posted on 04/16/2009 7:25:52 AM PDT by stormer
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To: ClearCase_guy
The differences between red and blue are irreconcilable in my opinion. Secession seems inevitable.

Don't secede. Expel.

Time for THEM to take a walk!

Kick New England and New York City out of the Union. They go out and take 30,000,000 'Rat trolls with them. Problem solved.

34 posted on 04/16/2009 7:29:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: rrdog
Non starter and going no where, common sense would be a constitutional convention.
35 posted on 04/16/2009 7:30:51 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: pepperdog

Agreed. My point here is not to let them dictate to the States and force our people to suceed as an only answer to the problem. If the States came together, they could isolate DC and the people could take our country back. We will not succeed by splitting up the States. Bring them together as a unit. If that doesn’t work, then go the other route. I’m not ready to give up totally on my country yet, but I am ready to give up on DC.

36 posted on 04/16/2009 7:31:24 AM PDT by RC2
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To: rrdog
Good question.... I seriously doubt the federal government will put 5,000,000 of us Texans on trial.

I for one will support the break as much as possible. Looking at my tax dollars as an investment is yielding exponentially low return.

I say HELL YES for Texas secession.

37 posted on 04/16/2009 7:31:58 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
ROFLOL, what arms manufacturers in Connecticut!!

those are just mailing addresses and offices.

38 posted on 04/16/2009 7:32:39 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Yeah this turned out so well last time...

A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.

Last time, if I remember, it turned out all free.

39 posted on 04/16/2009 7:33:09 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: rrdog

Rather than secede, why don’t we just kick out the blue parts?

40 posted on 04/16/2009 7:33:16 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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