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The seal is broken on seceding from the Union and is now mainstream discussion.
U4prez.com ^ | 4/16/2009 | Eric Gurr

Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog

What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.

In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.

When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.

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To: Rustabout
In your opinion dose the Federal Government have the power within the Constitution to regulate Firearms?

I think that the federal government can regulate the kind of firearms a private person can't have: anti-tank rockets, nuclear weapons, howitzers, sawed off shotguns, what have you. But I don't think that the federal government can constitutionally ban firearm ownership altogether. The Second Amendment makes it clear that it's a militia issue and militia are a state matter.

Does the commerce clause ‘trump’ our Bill of Rights?

I'd need to know what you're talking about.

Would you support a Federal mandate or Bill making anti-gay comments by a Pastor a “Hate Crime”

No. I'm not a big fan of any hate crime legislation.

301 posted on 04/19/2009 5:33:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
What would it take for you to defend the people of a given State that chose to live Free? From Federal Tyranny that is?

Tyranny is defined as absolute power vested in a single person. If Obama ever sinks to that level then you have my permission to rebel. But what your complaining about is the guy and party you supported aren't in power, and nothing in the Constitution guarantees that. I'm not thrilled about the Democrats holding all the cards, either. But my solution is to buckle down and develop our own ideas and leaders to take it all back. You want to walk off in a snit.

302 posted on 04/19/2009 5:37:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: FourPeas
Yep. The rule of George III, which inspired armed revolution, was far less onerous than the rule of the Washingtonians today. The Founding Fathers would be in a blood rage if they could see what has been done to their noble experiment.
303 posted on 04/19/2009 5:45:40 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Non-Sequitur
“You want to walk off in a snit.”

No~ Non-Sequitur

I don't merely want to walk out in a tiffy....

I'm mad as hell and ain't going to take it anymore!

I've worked all my life providing a home { that we own outright} Paying my own medical bills,sending my Wife threw College on our dime,teaching my children to work hard and be self sufficient,ext,ext....

Just to have this Government at it's own peril enslave me & my children to the welfare parasites,bums,war protesters,communist,tree huggers,gun banners,ext,ext

I've worked to damn hard to give it all back without a fight..I'd rather die fighting than on my knees licking the shoe of Lord Zero...... It's just not him neither

304 posted on 04/19/2009 6:45:29 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Non-Sequitur
“No. I'm not a big fan of any hate crime legislation.”

We can agree on this topic...Hate crimes are much like gun laws...They usually start by communist {splc} or the like finding an area that a few bald headed freaks walk around moving their arm like a broken windshield wiper...

After they get the initially laws then they go after any and all things they find offensive!

“I think that the federal government can regulate the kind of firearms a private person can't have: anti-tank rockets, nuclear weapons, howitzers, sawed off shotguns, what have you. But I don't think that the federal government can constitutionally ban firearm ownership altogether. The Second Amendment makes it clear that it's a militia issue and militia are a state matter.”

I think the Federal Government is much like that fat Cow Rosie O'Donnell...They want to subject ‘us’ to strict Firearm regulation yet they have ten or more Armed guards themselves!!

As for Concealed carry permits..Then you would agree that it is a State matter? Would you then agree that it's up to the State on which persons are disqualified from ownership such as misdemeanor convictions?

305 posted on 04/19/2009 7:13:57 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: hinckley buzzard
Yep. The rule of George III, which inspired armed revolution, was far less onerous than the rule of the Washingtonians today.

In 1776 the colonists had no representation in Parliament and no voice in their own affairs. That is not the case here.

The Founding Fathers would be in a blood rage if they could see what has been done to their noble experiment.

Probably. But that doesn't make this a tyranny.

306 posted on 04/19/2009 7:24:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
I think the Federal Government is much like that fat Cow Rosie O'Donnell...They want to subject ‘us’ to strict Firearm regulation yet they have ten or more Armed guards themselves!!

It's the same at the local level.

As for Concealed carry permits..Then you would agree that it is a State matter? Would you then agree that it's up to the State on which persons are disqualified from ownership such as misdemeanor convictions?

I feel that if a state believes that people are responsible enough to carry firearms then they're responsible enough to carry them anywhere. What frosts me is all these states that say you can carry a weapon except... And then they exempt public buildings where they may happen to be - capitols, city halls, schools, what have you. I believe that there should be no exceptions whatsoever for public buildings of any kind. And on private property then the owner can decide otherwise. In cases like that you are free to make your own decision as to whether you want to patronize them or not.

Would you then agree that it's up to the State on which persons are disqualified from ownership such as misdemeanor convictions?

I'm torn on that. On the one hand the Second amendment makes no exemptions on what people have the right to bear arms. On the other hand, they tie it with the militia and a state has the right to set standards for militia membership. So I suppose the state should be able to restrict ownership under certain, specific, limited conditions.

307 posted on 04/19/2009 7:37:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
I don't merely want to walk out in a tiffy....

Yeah you want to leave. Cut and run. Walk out because you don't like the big mean Obama and the nasty Democrats. Well, so far as I'm concerned cutting and running and surrendering are very much Southron traits. I'm staying. And I'm fighting for my country. All of it.

308 posted on 04/19/2009 7:41:25 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
“It's the same at the local level.”

Depends if you live in a liberal cesspool or not...

“I feel that if a state believes that people are responsible enough to carry firearms then they're responsible enough to carry them anywhere. What frosts me is all these states that say you can carry a weapon except... And then they exempt public buildings where they may happen to be - capitols, city halls, schools, what have you. I believe that there should be no exceptions whatsoever for public buildings of any kind. And on private property then the owner can decide otherwise. In cases like that you are free to make your own decision as to whether you want to patronize them or not.”

Very good Non-Sequitur we might make a rebel out of you yet!

“I'm torn on that. On the one hand the Second amendment makes no exemptions on what people have the right to bear arms. On the other hand, they tie it with the militia and a state has the right to set standards for militia membership. So I suppose the state should be able to restrict ownership under certain, specific, limited conditions.”

I was talking in regards to this Federal Government imposing on the States who may or may not legally own a firearm! Some States only disqualify those who've been convicted of a serious Felony..The Federal Government has imposed on the States that {Keep the peace orders} without no finding of guilt are disqualifying...Misdemeanor convictions under ‘Federal Law’ in some cases are life long bans.....

Who ‘trumps’ Non-Sequitur? You do have the Supremacy clause on you side...However the Second Amendment is clearly violated not to mention the 10th>

309 posted on 04/19/2009 8:16:45 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Yeah you want to leave. Cut and run. Walk out because you don't like the big mean Obama and the nasty Democrats. Well, so far as I'm concerned cutting and running and surrendering are very much Southron traits. I'm staying. And I'm fighting for my country. All of it.”

Your damn right...

If you feel obliged in continued payment in your own demise be my guest!As for your Southron traits comment If you wish to jump of the cliff with the rest of these Marxist...I wish you a happy landing

310 posted on 04/19/2009 8:27:19 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Non-Sequitur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atoBwQ1S4DA&NR=1

Gresham Barret Booed at TEA Party

Gotta love the South!

311 posted on 04/19/2009 8:59:57 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Rustabout
Very good Non-Sequitur we might make a rebel out of you yet!

No way in hell.

312 posted on 04/19/2009 9:12:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
As for your Southron traits comment...

Truth hurt?

If you wish to jump of the cliff with the rest of these Marxist...I wish you a happy landing

And if you want to run away then do so and quit bothering the rest of us. We're staying and fighting for out country. Every inch of it.

313 posted on 04/19/2009 9:13:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
“No way in hell.”

Then you can remain a subservient mind controlled zombie..Tell us how the bottom of Zero's feet taste!!!

314 posted on 04/19/2009 9:23:15 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: rrdog
What is the root of the secessionist movement?

I believe it was the November, 2000 elections when Michael Moore referred to the Red States that voted for George W. Bush as "Jesusland"?

315 posted on 04/19/2009 9:24:29 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Truth hurt?”

Your inability to read the writing on the wall does!

“And if you want to run away then do so and quit bothering the rest of us. We're staying and fighting for out country. Every inch of it.”

Before or after you try to force us to stay against our will to your suicide pact with Fedzilla by Gun point? Can we leave peacefully ?

316 posted on 04/19/2009 9:29:07 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: central_va
“You said it, and I would add this: If the Yankees think so little of us Southern Rednecks then why do they want us to stay in this perversion of a Union? Answer: to be a Yankee is to be a Fascist.

Except for the English language, I share almost nothing with the “Northerner”. I feel absolutely zero kindred spirit. I am sure the feeling is mutual, at least I hope so”

I see this a tad differently...
We have them surrounded! Southerners who share that Freedom loving blood have relocated all around this Federal universe.. If and when N-S and his band of jackbooted thugs attempt to force us to stay...Well,He might find himself in a bit of a pickle!! New England & the Left Coast will be his new home..Possible in San Fran pinko with whom he shares much love!!!!

317 posted on 04/19/2009 9:58:36 AM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Rustabout
Then you can remain a subservient mind controlled zombie..Tell us how the bottom of Zero's feet taste!!!

While you're smooching that part of his anatomy that lies about 3 feet up?

318 posted on 04/19/2009 11:11:47 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
Can we leave peacefully ?

Sure. Delta is ready when you are.

319 posted on 04/19/2009 11:12:54 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
If and when N-S and his band of jackbooted thugs attempt to force us to stay..

No one is forcing you to stay. You Southron types have a long history of running and surrendering. Nobody expects any less from you now.

320 posted on 04/19/2009 11:14:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Sure. Delta is ready when you are.

Seriously, you might consider reading about the Third Reich. Sometimes the things you say would make Goebbels blush.

321 posted on 04/19/2009 11:46:17 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va
Seriously, you might consider reading about the Third Reich. Sometimes the things you say would make Goebbels blush.

Why? What's Nazi-like about being free to come and go as you please? If I were Gobbels then I'd lock you up in a concentration camp just for thinking about leaving. Rather than me read up on Nazi Germany, or the confederacy for that matter, I'd think that you would do well to do some reading of your own.

322 posted on 04/19/2009 11:51:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
well said.

the war against the south-HATING, arrogant, DAMNyankees continues until southern FREEDOM's DAWN, absent GUNFIRE.

free dixie,sw

323 posted on 04/19/2009 12:08:02 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'd think that you would do well to do some reading of your own.

I'm well versed in what the Federal Monster led by a ruthless butcher can do to a group of states that tries to "come and go as they please". I read it in horror but you probably get aroused studying the "Torches" Atlanta campaign.

324 posted on 04/19/2009 12:13:21 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
still trying to "change the subject" AWAY from your KNOWING DISHONESTY, aren't you???

fyi, it won't work this time as EVERYONE (with the possible exception of a FEW of the more ignorant,hate-FILLED, stupid DAMNyankees.), as we are ALL "on to your game".

otoh, you don't mind being seen as a LIAR. after all, that's what PROPAGANDISTS do for a living. furthermore, for the PROPAGANDIST, truth is whatever serves their cause. AND being exposed as a LIAR on one subject simply means that the propagandists makes OTHER equally STUPID/dishonest accusations and/or LIES again, on a different subject.

free dixie,sw

325 posted on 04/19/2009 12:13:55 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Every inch of it.

Every inch of it is not worth it. Especially anywhere you live. I wouldn't trade one drop of blood to help CA and NE. I am not a fascist, like you. I am a pacifist, a well armed and highly trained one :). I actually think "those people" (ala Gen. Lee) deserve their socialist utopia USSA. All I ask is a portion of this entire continent not have to go down the collective toilet with them. A peaceful secession, not to hard to understand. Why should somebody from the South, knowing how well the North treated them the last time, give a /deleted/.

326 posted on 04/19/2009 12:28:00 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
If Obama ever sinks to that level then you have my permission to rebel.

We will NEVER need anyone's permission!

327 posted on 04/19/2009 12:45:00 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: stand watie; Non-Sequitur
swattie, I think you do it on purpose. You act like an idiot so that when people put you down for it, you can attack them and people will feel sorry for you.

don't you get tired of being ridiculed as a DUNCE by most FReepers???? also, LOTS of FReepers just want everyone, who is a member of "The DAMNyankee Coven of Fools, Bigots, Nitwits & HATERS", to LEAVE www.freerepublic.com, forever, with the singular exception of your "dear leader", N-S.

non, sounds like somebody has a crush on you ... What gives?

328 posted on 04/19/2009 12:55:03 PM PDT by x (stand watie -- countless contentless posts since 1999)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“No one is forcing you to stay. You Southron types have a long history of running and surrendering. Nobody expects any less from you now.”

You Northern types have a long history of sticking your nose in every ones business except your own. We only find that your nose has grown much larger!

Go ahead and stand with the murderers of the unborn,cowards,Marxist,Welfare pimps..I care not

Non-Sequitur,
I've never thought a man so opposed to slavery would want it for himself ?

329 posted on 04/19/2009 1:46:19 PM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Sure. Delta is ready when you are.”

Just a little more time Non-Sequitur & your have that opportunity to be that ‘hero’ you've dreamed about saving the ‘glorious union’..Right along side Zero and Harry Reid

Just be man enough to introduce yourself before you take to shooting women and children in the back this time..Okay?

330 posted on 04/19/2009 2:05:28 PM PDT by Rustabout
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To: 4CJ
We will NEVER need anyone's permission!

Yes y'all are constantly revolting as it is. Let's just say that I won't stand in your way then. OK?

331 posted on 04/19/2009 2:58:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
I'm well versed in what the Federal Monster led by a ruthless butcher can do to a group of states that tries to "come and go as they please".

You're up to your eyebrows in Southron mythology, yes.

I read it in horror...

Read it in horror? Read what? Specifics, please. How about some of your sources? As many myths have have been propagated by the lost causers, few attract as many as Sherman's fall 1864 campaign. I had one of you try to tell me, in perfect seriousness, that Sherman salted farm fields from Atlanta to Savannah and that you could still see the sterile land from space. You got anything as colorful as that?

... but you probably get aroused studying the "Torches" Atlanta campaign.

You are a strange individual, aren't you?

332 posted on 04/19/2009 3:04:23 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
otoh, you don't mind being seen as a LIAR. after all, that's what PROPAGANDISTS do for a living. furthermore, for the PROPAGANDIST, truth is whatever serves their cause. AND being exposed as a LIAR on one subject simply means that the propagandists makes OTHER equally STUPID/dishonest accusations and/or LIES again, on a different subject.

Oh shut up and just post the damned page number.

333 posted on 04/19/2009 3:05:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
I am not a fascist, like you.

Of course you're not.

334 posted on 04/19/2009 3:08:56 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: x; All
to ALL: once more, "x" illustrates WHY almost everyone on FR (or at least those, who have bothered to read his hate-FILLED, ignorant,BILGE!), thinks that the space between his ears is "vacant & available for long-term lease".

to "x":laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

335 posted on 04/19/2009 3:23:56 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: MortMan

I would not trust anything that comes out of DC. They are a bunch of nuts doing their best to completely destroy this country.


336 posted on 04/19/2009 3:28:29 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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To: Non-Sequitur
fwiw, every post you utter on this forum means that LESS people believe you.

perhaps you should post MORE, as your DECEIT/EVASIVENESS/HATEFULNESS converts "neutrals" into "southern-leaning people" & "southerners" into "southrons".

every southerner who becomes a "southron" advances the TRUE CAUSE of dixie LIBERTY.

face it, N-S, you are NOT believed by anyone EXCEPT brain-DEAD south-HATERS/lunatics/BIGOTS.

free dixie,sw

337 posted on 04/19/2009 3:31:02 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: MamaB; All
we of the "red zone" have our crooks/fools/bigots/shysters in DC, but i would (if pushed) accept the VERY worst of them over the likes of obama/kennedy/schumer/biden/dodd/frank/snow/feinstein & others of that ilk.

the congress-critters sent to DC by the "blue states" are, TODAY, almost all FILTH/traitors/WEIRDOS/pinkos/baby-MURDERERS/socialists/FASCISTS.

free dixie,sw

338 posted on 04/19/2009 3:39:53 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
the congress-critters sent to DC by the "blue states" are, TODAY, almost all FILTH/traitors/WEIRDOS/pinkos/baby-MURDERERS/socialists/FASCISTS.

You are much nicer than me. Just say Yankee; it's simpler and to the point and encompasses all of your above colorful denigration...

339 posted on 04/19/2009 4:02:03 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
You are a strange individual, aren't you?

Not as strange as the Constitutional wife beater attitude of the Northern Yankee towards any secessionist.

340 posted on 04/19/2009 4:10:09 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: stand watie
fwiw, every post you utter on this forum means that LESS people believe you.

Post the page number.

341 posted on 04/19/2009 4:19:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
Not as strange as the Constitutional wife beater attitude of the Northern Yankee towards any secessionist.

And uninformed, too.

342 posted on 04/19/2009 4:20:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
Just a little more time Non-Sequitur & your have that opportunity to be that ‘hero’ you've dreamed about saving the ‘glorious union’..Right along side Zero and Harry Reid.

So where you gonna go? Hop the pond and head back to the mother land? Ditty-bop on down to Brazil like the runaway Rebs in 1865? Made your plans yet?

Just be man enough to introduce yourself before you take to shooting women and children in the back this time..Okay?

Your well versed on Southron myth but really pathetic on actual historical facts, aren't you?

343 posted on 04/19/2009 4:24:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va; All
actually, i'm CORRECT & (SORRY) but you are NOT.

there are 3 KINDS of "northerners":

1. COPPERHEADS, PRO-southern folks, who are loved/cherished/respected all over dixie. for example, "Ariamne" of FR is "rebel gray to the core" & has for decades lived in NY. (should dixie secede, she & numerous others just like her will HAVE to be "spirited away in the dead of night" to "behind friendly lines" by the CSSS. - the lot of a Copperhead has NEVER been an easy one. DYs are CRUEL, even to NON-combatants.)

2. NEUTRALS, who care NOTHING for dixie LIBERTY and who seldom even think about us pro or con (southrons want the neutrals to STAY neutral.)

and

3. DAMNyankees who HATE us & believe themselves to be NATURALLY superior to every southerner.

NEVER forget that the DAMNyankees are the ETERNAL enemy (but only incidently because they are from "up there") of FREEDOM!!

free dixie,sw

344 posted on 04/19/2009 4:25:40 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
as soon as i get the book from interlibrary-loan, i WILL.

since YOU have a copy (or at least SAY you do.) why don't YOU post the relevant page (YES, if you've read the book, you KNOW which page it is.) and let everyone on FR judge which of us is a LIAR???

no guts, no glory.

345 posted on 04/19/2009 4:30:50 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
as soon as i get the book from interlibrary-loan, i WILL.

Yeah, we've heard that all before. Just don't bother with the excuses, just post the page number.

since YOU have a copy (or at least SAY you do.) why don't YOU post the relevant page (YES, if you've read the book, you KNOW which page it is.) and let everyone on FR judge which of us is a LIAR???

Because it doesn't exist. Nowhere in the book does Blackerby claim there were 100,000 to 150,000 blacks in confederate ranks. Nothing in the book supports your asinine claim that they were all free blacks, either. So nothing to post.

346 posted on 04/19/2009 4:34:03 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Oh God, the time of trial has come!”

Dolly Sumner Lunt was born in Maine in 1817. She moved to Georgia as a young woman to join her married sister. She became a school teacher in Covington, Ga. where she met and married Thomas Burge, a plantation owner. When her husband died in 1858, Dolly was left alone to manage the plantation and its slaves. Dolly kept a diary of her experiences and we join her story as Sherman’s army approaches her home:

November 19, 1864

Slept in my clothes last night, as I heard that the Yankees went to neighbor Montgomery’s on Thursday night at one o’clock, searched his house, drank his wine, and took his money and valuables. As we were not disturbed, I walked after breakfast, with Sadai [the narrator’s 9-year-old daughter], up to Mr. Joe Perry’s, my nearest neighbor, where the Yankees were yesterday.

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Saw Mrs. Laura [Perry] in the road surrounded by her children, seeming to be looking for some one. She said she was looking for her husband, that old Mrs. Perry had just sent her word that the Yankees went to James Perry’s the night before, plundered his house, and drove off all his stock, and that she must drive hers into the old fields. Before we were done talking, up came Joe and Jim Perry from their hiding-place. Jim was very much excited. Happening to turn and look behind, as we stood there, I saw some blue-coats coming down the hill. Jim immediately raised his gun, swearing he would kill them anyhow.

‘No, don’t!’ said I, and ran home as fast as I could, with Sadai.

I could hear them cry, ‘Halt! Halt!’ and their guns went off in quick succession. Oh God, the time of trial has come!

A man passed on his way to Covington. I halloed to him, asking him if he did not know the Yankees were coming.

‘No - are they?’

‘Yes,’ said I; ‘they are not three hundred yards from here.’

‘Sure enough,’ said he. ‘Well, I’ll not go. I don’t want them to get my horse.’ And although within hearing of their guns, he would stop and look for them. Blissful ignorance! Not knowing, not hearing, he has not suffered the suspense, the fear, that I have for the past forty-eight hours. I walked to the gate. There they came filing up.

I hastened back to my frightened servants and told them that they had better hide, and then went back to the gate to claim protection and a guard. But like demons they rush in! My yards are full.

To my smoke-house, my dairy, pantry, kitchen, and cellar, like famished wolves they come, breaking locks and whatever is in their way. The thousand pounds of meat in my smoke-house is gone in a twinkling, my flour, my meat, my lard, butter, eggs, pickles of various kinds - both in vinegar and brine - wine, jars, and jugs are all gone. My eighteen fat turkeys, my hens, chickens, and fowls, my young pigs, are shot down in my yard and hunted as if they were rebels themselves. Utterly powerless I ran out and appealed to the guard.

‘I cannot help you, Madam; it is orders.’

...Alas! little did I think while trying to save my house from plunder and fire that they were forcing my boys [slaves] from home at the point of the bayonet. One, Newton, jumped into bed in his cabin, and declared himself sick. Another crawled under the floor, - a lame boy he was, - but they pulled him out, placed him on a horse, and drove him off. Mid, poor Mid! The last I saw of him, a man had him going around the garden, looking, as I thought, for my sheep, as he was my shepherd. Jack came crying to me, the big tears coursing down his cheeks, saying they were making him go. I said:

‘Stay in my room.’

But a man followed in, cursing him and threatening to shoot him if he did not go; so poor Jack had to yield.

A family flees the approach
of Sherman’s Army...Sherman himself and a greater portion of his army passed my house that day. All day, as the sad moments rolled on, were they passing not only in front of my house, but from behind; they tore down my garden palings, made a road through my back-yard and lot field, driving their stock and riding through, tearing down my fences and desolating my home - wantonly doing it when there was no necessity for it.

...As night drew its sable curtains around us, the heavens from every point were lit up with flames from burning buildings. Dinnerless and supperless as we were, it was nothing in comparison with the fear of being driven out homeless to the dreary woods. Nothing to eat! I could give my guard no supper, so he left us.

My Heavenly Father alone saved me from the destructive fire. My carriage-house had in it eight bales of cotton, with my carriage, buggy, and harness. On top of the cotton were some carded cotton rolls, a hundred pounds or more. These were thrown out of the blanket in which they were, and a large twist of the rolls taken and set on fire, and thrown into the boat of my carriage, which was close up to the cotton bales. Thanks to my God, the cotton only burned over, and then went out. Shall I ever forget the deliverance?

November 20, 1864.

About ten o’clock they had all passed save one, who came in and wanted coffee made, which was done, and he, too, went on. A few minutes elapsed, and two couriers riding rapidly passed back. Then, presently, more soldiers came by, and this ended the passing of Sherman’s army by my place, leaving me poorer by thirty thousand dollars than I was yesterday morning. And a much stronger Rebel!”


347 posted on 04/19/2009 4:37:45 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
in other words, you are ONCE MORE, LYING though your teeth.

UNlike you, i have actually READ Blackerby's book. (furthermore, The Confederate Veteran magazine, several years ago, PRINTED the "relevant page", in an article on LOYAL/BRAVE Black Confederates.)

fwiw, i can even tell you that the relevant reference is at the TOP of the RIGHT hand page, near the FRONT of the book.- NO, i cannot remember the page number.

but PLEASE continue your KNOWING LIES, as every time you LIE you make a bigger fool of yourself & your FEW supporters.

free dixie,sw

348 posted on 04/19/2009 4:43:36 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: central_va

Where is the “shooting civilians in the back” part?


349 posted on 04/19/2009 4:53:34 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

03 FEB 1865 - Federal forces reach the Salkahatchie river. “The actual invasion of South Carolina has begun... The well-known sight of columns of black smoke meets our gaze again; this time houses are burning, and South Carolina has commenced to pay an installment, long overdue, on her debt to justice and humanity. With the help of God, we will have principal and interest before we leave her borders. There is a terrible gladness in the realization of so many hopes and wishes. This cowardly traitor state, secure from harm, as she thought, in her central position, with hellish haste dragged her Southern sisters into the caldron of secession. Little did she dream that the hated flag would again wave over her soil; but this bright morning a thousand Union banners are floating in the breeze, and the ground trembles beneath the tramp of thousands of brave Northmen, who know their mission, and will perform it to the end.” 11

05 FEB 1865 - Branchville “The majority of the citizens here are of the same “cracker or sand hill” species we have found so plentiful everywhere we have been. I heard a soldier say to his comrade today the “the whole damned state was not worth the life of our Federal soldiers,” He was about right. We everywhere hear the fear expressed of “Negro equality,” while no one ever expressed a fear of equality with this class of “Southern white trash.” They are lower than the negro in every respect, not excepting general intelligence, culture, and morality. A man not acquainted with this larger population of the South can form an idea of it in their style of living and cleanliness, &c. They are not fit to be kept in the same sty with a well-to- do farmer’s hogs in New England. Once in ten or fifteen miles we find a plantation owned by a “reliable” man, a “first family” who lives in Charleston or Columbia, while every half mile we find a shanty with the poles a foot apart, a stick chimney, three or four half naked children, two or three with nothing but a shirt, but with an incrustation of dirt which entirely conceals the natural color; the mother with her person partially concealed by ragged cotton cloth and dirt combined. If you ask her where her husband is, the reply is “in the Army”... 12

07 FEB 1865 - Blackville “Our foraging parties are now gathering on the north side of the river more material than can be consumed, and large accumulations will be left in the morning... we find more supplies in this country than I feared we might. Chickens, sweet potatoes, fresh pork, and honey and fresh lard, all rewarded the zealous inquiries of our headquarters foragers today.” 13 “Our troops reached the R.R. about 2 P.M. .. There is a Gernam Jew who has a couple hundred bales of cotton and wants protection because he is a foreigner. He asks that his cotton be saved to pay some “beebles” [people] up in New York, who he owes some “little debts.” He will hardly save the cotton. “14 “I visited today the residence of William Gilmore Simms, the South Carolina novelist and author of “Marion” &c. He has evacuated but has left a very ardent secesh family to protect the residence and library for him. He has a fine library. I think it will be saved, but I should have no objection to seeing it burned... many books from his library, bearing his autograph, found their way into camp, and were carried away by the men as mementoes.” 15

11 FEB 1865 - North Fork - Orangeburg “We do so many thing that are wrong in this living off the country in the way we do that I do not like it and I am afraid of retribution...but the army must be fed and the Bummers must feed us,”16

11 FEB 1865 - Battle of Aiken

12 FEB 1865 - Orangeburg “Orangeburg contains about 800 people, and was, before we entered it a fine little place with a fair proportion of churches, small cotton brokers’ establishments, &c &c... If the town had been built on purpose for a bonfire it could not have been bettered. All that could be done was to watch it on the windward side and the outskirts of the town. We occupied the town at 2 P. M. and at four one third or one half of the town was on fire and burning with the greatest rapidity. I think one half of the body of the town was destroyed. The fires was not so extensive as the one in Atlanta, but more grand and beautiful.”17

13 FEB 1865 - Big Beaver Creek “Today has been beautiful, clear and still. From the starting of the column this morning we could trace the tracks of each by the column of smoke from burning buildings, cotton, turpentine mills, pine woods &c. [Along] the line of the XVII A.C. on the R. R. the smoke lifted like a grand curtain here and there, tassled by a more dense column of smoke from a store house of cotton or resin. The columns of smoke which marked Logan’s line of march were more isolated, but in themselves were very dense. Many of these columns were really wonderful. The smoke rising from the pitch fields rolled up in volumes to the sky so impenetrable that not a ray of light could be seen through them. They looked like a dozen cities burning at the same time. I wish I had the power of describing the grandeur of this scene.” 18

15 FEB 1865 - Little Congaree

16 FEB 1865 - Saluda Factory on the Saluda River “A little before midnight last night the enemy opened fire from a battery in position on the north side of the river, firing into the rear of our troops on this side. We had no artillery with which we could silence it and they did considerable damage, killing an officer and several men, and wounding nearly twenry. The fire was very annoying.” 17

17 FEB 1865 - Gen. Hampton evacuates Columbia

18 FEB 1865 - Columbia surrendered to the Federal forces - subsequently burned. “... when the brigade occupied the town the citizens and negroes brought out whiskey in buckets, bottles and in every conceivable manner treated the men to all they would drink. ... The negroes, escaped prisoners, state convicts, and such other people as would all went into the work of pillaging with a will. By this time all parties were willing to assist it on... The negroes piloted the men to the best places for plunder, and both men and negroes by evening were setting fires rapidly... One cannot conceive of anything which would or could make a grander fire than this one, excepting a larger city than Columbia. The city was built entirely of wood, and was in most excellent condition to burn. The space on fire at midnight was not less than one mile square, and one week before, sheltered from 25,000 to 30,000 people. The flames rolled and heaved like the waves of the ocean; the road was like a cataract. The whole air was filled with burning cinders, and fragments of fire as thick as the flakes of snow in a storm. The scene was splendid - magnificently grand. The scene of pillaging, the suffering and terror of the citizens, the arresting of and shooting negroes, and our frantic and drunken soldiers... this I will leave for the present for the imagination of those who choose to dwell upon it... I have in this war seen too much... and choose rather to remember the magnificent splendor of this burning city... I believe the burning of the city is an advantage to the cause and a just retribution to the state of South Carolina. 20

21 FEB 1865 - Winnsboro “Two of our men were found today with their brains beat out, and from all appearances had been captured and then murdered.” 21

23 FEB 1865 - Rocky Mount “General Sherman sends us word again today that the enemy have murdered eleven of Kilpatrick’s men, and the General has also ordered retaliation by killing the same number of rebels now in Kilpatrick’s hands. Kilpatrick reported the incident: “ An infantry lieutenant and seven men murdered yesterday by the 8th Texas Cavalry after they had surrendered. We found their bodies all together and mutilated, with paper on their breasts, saying “Death to foragers.” Eighteen of my men were killed yesterday and some had their throats cut... I have sent Wheeler word that I intend to hang eighteen of his men... I have a number of prisoners and shall take a fearful revenge.” 22 02 MAR 1865 - Cheraw

02 MAR 1865 - Florence “The sufferings which the people will have to undergo will be most intense. We have left on the wide strip of country we have passed over no provisions which will go any distance in supporting the people. We have left no stock by means of which they can get more. All horses, mules and cattle, sheep and hogs have been taken. They cannot go outside of the country traversed for lack of transportation... Even before we came into the State the provisions were vastly greater than we had ever supposed... We have been out on this trip a little longer than before, and made the same distance, and covered the same or a greater breadth of territory, and have again left nothing... I do not think that the Rebel armies will not fight, they will do so whenever an opportunity offers, which affords a hope of success. They still believe their government, their property, their honor, and their Southern pride is at stake, and they will fight for them. “In addition to what is said above of the people, there is one thing they invariably do, no matter how great the cost: they cling to the niggers as the visible proof of their respectability and chivalry and no matter how great the sacrifices they are compelled to make to restore them, they willingly make the sacrifices.23


350 posted on 04/19/2009 4:57:08 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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