Skip to comments.Texas Governor Rick Perry Threatens Secession From The Union (Austin, Texas Tea Party)
Posted on 04/16/2009 8:34:49 AM PDT by lewisglad
Speaking at an anti-tax protest yesterday, the Texas governor brought up the fact that Texas had the right to secede from the union if thing in Washington got bad enough.
Now before we go further, let's set a little background:
Texans are fiercely prideful. You've probably seen the phrase "Don't Mess with Texas" before. It was originally meant to be an anti-littering slogan, but Texans have turned the phrase into a catch-all statement of the state's independent spirit.
Texans like to talk about independence and the fact that it's been part of six countries in its history.
That being said, it might be fun to daydream about what an independent Texas state would be like.There's a whole host of great country songs that could be its national anthem. Like, perhaps, Waltz Across Texas or All My Exes Live in Texas.
If it did secede, we hope that they can come up with something regarding Texas atheletics, so that the football teams can still participate in the NCAA. It'd be boring for the University of Texas (disclosure: my alma matter) to just beat up on Texas A&M every Saturday.
Here's one thing we do know. An independent nation of Texas would be energy independent.
Specifically, with respect to the supply of Oil and Gas. Would an independent Texas be able to produce enough oil and gas to serve its own population, with some left over for export ? Indeed it would. In fact, Texas produces more oil than any other state and accounts for 19.7% of total US output. Texas also produces more than 30% of US natural gas supply. Texas does consume a goodly portion of its own oil output, about 75% of what it produces. But, it only consumes half of its own natural gas production.
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No, you’re not alone. And I live in Texas. A fun daydream, perhaps, but it would require more sacrifice than I think most would be willing to endure.
Walker, Texas Rangers? My money's on them against Zero! :)
when a state/country is no longer subject to the restrictions imposed by knownothing politicians,
nuclear power would be used pretty much exclusively.
Sec2 of Article 1 of the Texas Constitution states:
“The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.”
I read your profile and say yes you are welcome..You see my husband is from NJ and he is a good guy..Not everyone in NJ are mean and rude..I did have to get use to the different language..LOL!I for one love NJ but do not like the politics or the crowed cities..I always said you get back what you put out with attitude so I usually got along with everyone or almost everyone from around the world..
You know you will need a passport for Texas..LOL!
KBH is also chummy with Hillary Clinton. Even with all of Perry’s warts, this Texan will take Perry over KBH.
Not so Fast! We have a few questions first.
What state are you emigrating from?
Have you had socialist indoctrination?
Are you now or have you ever been an econut; atheist; muslim; welfare recipient; a member of the democrat party?
Are you conversant on the subjects of the Constitution; the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence?
Our greatest President was ______?
Our inalienable rights are granted by_______?
Finally: What skills/education do you have?
I would vote again for Rick Perry..KBH is not my cup of tea I really think she is a RINO..I wrote a note to her and never got any answer, because of my view of Abortion I would guess..I do not agree at all with her..Until some one comes along that is better than Rick I will stick with him..
The Fed has become a monster and must be whittled back to its constitutional limits. I suspect that if Texas did secede, and the fed did not invade, they would do just fine.
I strongly suspect that several states will attempt this in the coming year or so. People are more fed up than I have ever seen them and the media is throwing fuel on the fire by ignoring it.
I agree. If I could only choose between the two then Perry would be it. Don’t like KBH one bit. And this is from a woman voter!
I am a woman voter also.so we should know, we can read other women better than men can...LOL!
I wholeheartedly support secession. The Civil War got sidetracked by the Emancipation Proclamation and the States’ Rights question got muddled with the slavery question. Unquestionably slaver would have died in the Confederate States in a very short time after they seceded. The result would have been much better for all concerned, because the Confederate States would have had the responsibility for resolving racism, and the anti-slave states would not have been tarred with the same brush.
Be that as it may, I don’t see any other resolution to the current free vs. government slave, Constitution Vs. liberal fascism situation, other than to have the free parts opf America split from the liberal fascist parts.
This time it will be done correctly.
And it won’t be by States, it will be by counties within states. For example, almost all of California is held by Free Americans. The Lib-fascists control only LA, the SF Bay Area, the city of Sacramento, and the coast + 20 miles inland up to the Oregon border. They have more people, but very little territory. Same in most of the East Coast States.
I support Free Texas, and if they secede, I will move there!
4. YES I carry a pocket edition with me everywhere I go
5. George Washington, I also like Andrew Jackson for eliminating the Central Bank and restoring legal tender.
I am in the Ice Machine Business (35yrs) and we have a big customer base in Texas. Private Pilot,Instrument Rated, own my own Plane,Boats,Dirt Bikes, and lots of Guns and Ammo. I have no Debt either.
Do I qualify??
ps I allready have an address in Bullard
So, like to or not, we are stuck with each other.
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.
Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. . . . .
I played an old Steppenwolf song yesterday “Monster-Suicide-America”.
It's amazing how appropriate it is to these times!
Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And ‘til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
The blue and gray they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog
And though the past has its share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But its protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey
The spirit was freedom and justice
And its keepers seemed generous and kind
Its leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
‘Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin’
Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin’ the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
‘Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
‘Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
Copyright 1970 MCA Music (BMI)
Problem is, the libs have most of California's industrial economy, water resources and ports. Free Americans have mostly desert and prime MJ growing areas.
With a 100% correct grade, you pass with flying colors!
Not really. It was decided for that particular conflict. While it has some minor bearing on the future its not cast in stone for sure.
Serious question: were Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, & the other Founders practicing sedition against the British government? Would you have been a Tory then, i.e. supporting the British against the Founders? Don’t give a kneejerk answer - you might not be housing British troops in your house, but you are housing Leftist constituencies with your involuntary taxes in slums across the nation. In other words, convince me that the Founders, if alive today, would not have already drafted the Declaration of Independence and sent it to D.C.
Texas already fought one war to be rid of Mexican tyranny. Texas gets 96 cents for every $1 we send to the Feds. Texas would be energy independent and a net exporter of natural gas and oil. I think NY would end up freezing if Texas decided to cut off NG supplies - NY would be more likely to become part of Canada before Texas becomes part of Mexico.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Is that really the case? I don’t live in Texas, but I ahve ahd with the government in Washington.
I LOVE Sarah Palin!!!!!! (Michelle Bachmann too!)
Were there any Texans on that court, or was this a court packed with Reconstruction-era judges less than a generation after the Civil War?
To be blunt, this ruling has no more power than a ruling by the House of Lords in 1776.
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AMEN!!!!!! I love both Sarah and Michele as well! They’re both INCREDIBLE!!!!!
The U.S. Constitution is “fringe” by today’s standards.
Five justices were nominated by Lincoln during Civil War (probably replacing Southerners who left the Court when their States seceded); three were nominated in the 1845-47 timeframe. While it was a 5-3 decision, two of the dissenters were Lincoln appointees.
The case is still precedent; it has not been overruled.
Texas Governor Rick Perry Threatens Secession From The Union
Texas governor brought up the fact that Texas had the right to secede from the union if thing in Washington got bad enough.
I'm not so sure about that.
Per Tile 18, Part1, Chapter 115, Section 2383 (Rebellion Or Insurrection) through Section 2390. (Enlistment To Serve Against United States) of the US Code (as of: 01/19/04), Gov Perry and the Citizens of Texas would be committing Sedition.
Granted, Texas's argument is that the US Gubmint has violated Texas' Rights under the the 10th Amendment (and the US Constitution in general) so 'The Pact' was already broken by the Gubmint in D.C. so Texas is a 'free' state.
So it sure would be interesting to see what unfolded if Texas and Texans followed through.
All that aside, I found something interesting in those sections, though is a tad off topic. It pertains to our buddies, the Democrats in Congress. And their anti-war cohorts like Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R. (and other assorted Commies)
'Section 2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war'It sure looks to me like the Democrats violated Part A, as all their demoralizing 'The War Is Lost' crap wasn't made in Congress so the Speech and Debate Clause doesn't protect them. And Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R. for SURE violated the rest.
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate subsection (a) of this section and one or more such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in said subsection (a).
(c) Whoever harbors or conceals any person who he knows, or has reasonable grounds to believe or suspect, has committed, or is about to commit, an offense under this section, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(d) This section shall apply within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction of the United States, and on the high seas, as well as within the United States.
These are all current Laws and Dubya could have had them all arrested for Sedition. Too bad he didn't, FDR would have... wait he DID. No dissent was allowed during WWII.
And it looks like Barry and his DHS moonbats are itching to put some
people 'extremists' in camps. And with Eric Holder as AG .... well .... we'll see, won't we.
“The Constitution is not a suicide pact.” - Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, Terminiello v. Chicago, 1949.
Justices were from Ohio (2), and one each from New York, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Kentucky, Virgina, and Illinois. One of the Ohio Justices also served on the California Supreme Court.
They can do anything they choose with ‘their’ state government, (as long as it continues to conform the the US Constitution) but they don’t have a right to unilaterally do anything about the Federal government. That can only be done with the agreement of the other states as embodied in the US Congress.
Article 1, Section 1.
THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS
Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
Sec. 3. EQUAL RIGHTS. All free men, when they form a social compact, have equal rights, and no man, or set of men, is entitled to exclusive separate public emoluments, or privileges, but in consideration of public services.
Perry- NO. He's a globalist RINO
All other transgressions aside, I’d say that the Obama Stimulus Package pretty much violates Art. 1, Sec. 1. as the right of local self-government has now been abrogated by the Feds.
Too funny, ROLF! That's most of Austin!
oh yes.....he is pusing hard for the highway (from hell). He has made numerous trips to Mexico kissin up trying to pave the path. He made trips also abroad working for super connector, that went nowhere. And signed an executive order that all 13 year old girls must have that shot (the new one that is suppost to stop a virus that leads to cancer, can’t remember the name) but oh boy he caught HELL big time for that one. It did not take long for him to retract his order. He has dragged his feet on the border fence, one time yea, next time nay...what he says just depends on who he is talking to.......we don’t need Kay Baily nor Perry, we need some good fresh conservative to run for Governor.
Still did not address the actual power behind it, i.e. it having as much authority (none) as a similar ruling from a British judiciary in 1776.
Not to mention the fact that placing all power with the SCOTUS has given us a country no longer bound by the Constitution, but by the whim of five SCOTUS members, many of whom have admitted that they view the times (or foreign law) as a guide to their decisions, rather than the original intent of said document. You look to the law as a guide when we are now a nation of MEN, men who advocate the reduction of true liberty at every turn.
I will not vote for Perry again....he is a snake in the grass, as far as I’m concerned.
And no, not Kay Baily either
We need someone new who is a REAL CONSERVATIVE. And if we don’t get someone new....that fence will never be built...
No, it was not sedition which is simply talk. What they did was outright treason against the Crown and every one of them knew that the Brits would have hung them if the revolution had failed. They pledged the lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. It was not some legalistic game to them. Treason is very serious and deadly business in that age or in any age.
I say Rick Perry for President! THIS is the kind of outrage and message that is riling the party!! I hope he stands up demonstrates seceding from the union and then runs for President!!! WE need real leaders that demonstrate their anger and ways to fight this socialism and the Left and is not scared to speak up or be agreeable!!!!!
I think what folks outside Texas miss is that while Texans are stubborn, they ain't stupid. We tried secession back in 1861. Didn't work out so well — even though Texas was the only state that chased the North out of the state by the end of the “late unpleasantness.”
Nah. If it comes to fightin’ over preserving American freedoms, Texas won't secede. Rather, it will lead the liberation of the rest of the US of A. Even though — just like when we liberated Iraq — there may be some opposing liberation.
We'll just borrow what helped the North win the “late unpleasantness.” There will be those willing to fight for liberty and union in the “serf” states, just like the North raised hundreds of thousands of troops from the slave states during the “late unpleasantness.” May even help form an “East California” out of the red part of that state - just like the United States got West Virginia as a result of the “late unpleasantness.” (That will give us San Diego as a port for the navy on the left coast.)
It will be “Texas! Liberty! and Union!” and we will make “Battle Cry of Freedom” our theme song.
As a native born 6th generation Texas, I say Welcome!!!
We have three choices; secession (divorce), we can expel the lefties to the socialist utopia of their choice, or we surrender to the statists. With the first two choices, America remains America. With the last choice, America becomes Europe.
The Left will never surrender. They will never give up. They will continue to push us into Communism if they stay.