Skip to comments.WHERE TO GO WITH THE TEA PARTY?
Posted on 04/17/2009 12:02:27 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
Okay, you guys did good. I'm surprised about the turnout. I had my doubts and I was proven wrong. I applaud all of you for standing tall.
So now where do we from here? Do you/we continue to be out-raged and hold more TEA Partys without direction? Should we build upon the movement with lots of signs and demonstrations that the Obama, Reid, Pelosi triad ignores, or do we look at ways to effort real change?
1. Term Limits! Read your Constitution regarding Amendments.
2. Reduced Congressional sessions. The less time in Congress, the less damage they can do.
3. A Constitutional Amendment or US Code change that requires ALL Fedgov legislation adhere to the original intent of the Founding Fathers, including their personal correspondance;
4. Sunset clauses in all legislation, except for military funding and other Constitutional essentials. The very few mandates by the Fedgov.
I can go on, but the above is a start, especially a TERM LIMIT Amendment. The Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, never meant for politicians to be lifelong politicians. Their concept was to serve for a couple of terms and go home. I suggest (2) terms for Senators and (4) terms for House representatives. I would prefer less, but the above is reasonable.
The TEA Partys were a good start. Now we need to focus on how to change the DC mechanism. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IDEAS!
More parties, perhaps on a rotating location basis and month by month. We need to be clear that the kind of taxing we detest is not just the kind that the IRS does.
Very good, thank you....
OK everyone...(dumb question maybe...)...has anyone heard anything, yea or nay about an organization called wemustlead.com ??
Here is a crazy idea:
How about a fourth level of checks and balances?
Citizens that pay taxes could allocate where their tax dollars go by choosing from the wonderful projects that our elected officials have in mind. Good local projects would gain the funds they need from those local and some not local, while stupid ideas would fall by the wayside.
You could even do a hybrid model where our elected officials get to spend 20% of our dollars and we get to direct the rest (left wing nuts jobs and right wing radicals).
I makes sense to me...ideas?
Your suggestions are good, but they all depend on Congress. We can’t depend on Congress. We have to come together to find a solution that WE THE PEOPLE have control over. Maybe it’s forming another political party. I’m hoping that some new blood, new leadership will arise out of the tea parties.
Maybe a convention of tea party participants and citizens with the same concerns??? Maybe start with local conventions and eventually a national convention.
The fight of our lives will be over the illegals and socialized health care. If BO gets the illegals voting rights it’s all over and no going back. We conservatives will never be more than a footnote as they ram through every left wing marxist idea BO could ever dream of.
Socialized medicine will be a death sentence for many that we know and love.
I hope we don’t get tea partied out before this comes. I think BO won’t wait long. I’m thinking he believes he has until 2010 to get it done.
While I am impressed with the turnout yesterday, we need a single unifying message to make any sort of change. The protests felt good, but the obami/reid/pelosi triad will ignore them and continue on their quest for socialist equality. It's a given.
You guys know it, and I know it. This movement needs a unifying purpose. While many states are looking to past resolutions about their 10th Amendment sovereignty rights, they are only resolutions and have no standing in law.
However, if this new movement could coalesce around a unifying purpose (States' Rights LAWS, Term Limits, etc.) than there may be a chance.
You guys know how this works. General feel good stuff doesn't get it done. We tried it with Clinton. We need more than way cool demonstrations. The politicians just don't care.
All we have to do is what we did today. The members in Congress will think two times maybe three before they vote because more than anything they want to be re-elected.
I ABSOLUTELY agree!
One of the main reasons the ‘slogan’...taxation without representation...worked, is because we are NOT being heard.
Best way to MAKE THEM LISTEN is to ‘hit em where it hurts’.... threaten and then do what ever it would take to get a change in TERM LIMITS.
NO MORE career politicians!!!
I’m betting that the obomba team is absolutely amazed that they have already done as much as they have with only scattered peaceful protest. In fact I think the reason they put out a warning about right wing extremest is to prep the ground for what they are going to do next. Look at what they are doing with the census, illegal immigrants and the tax code; with the help of republicans no less. The conservative movement has been reduced to minority who’s leaders are radio show host that are more interested in making money then leading any meaningful movement. Just my crazy opinion.
Actually, yes and no.
According to Article V, "The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem in necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Consitution , OR, on the Application of the Legislature of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Constitutional convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, ...
Bottom line: The States can call for Amendments without Congress approval. Unfortunately, it seems the States must call for a Constitutional Convention. That could be a very bad thing, knowing how our Country is leaning leftist.
However, I'm willing to risk it for Term Limits. We did it for the Presidency in Amendment XXII with no other ramifications. We can do it for limited Terms of Congress.
Now that the initial Tea Parties are over and were obviously a HUGE success, the tough part lies ahead. We - ALL OF US, EACH AND EVERY ONE - have to keep the momentum going.
And there's going to be battle with the media. We can't allow them to spin this movement as just anti-tax, and certainly not just a group of Republicans bitter about the presidential election.
It has to be made clear to the media, and everyone else for that matter, that it's also about The Constitution, The Republic our Founding Fathers gave to us, states rights, and that everyday AMERICANS are united and will not tolerate a socialist state!
There are more Tea Parties planned, the next national one to be on the the 4th.
FReeper DARCPRYNCE caem up with this and I think it's a great idea.
We need to turn the 4th of July into a national day of protest against socialism. No more celebrating liberty until we've regained it!
On this thread he posted a link to a FANTASTIC YouTube video on the Tea Parties he put together. Check it out for more ideas.
I truly hope you're right. I don't believe it so any longer. The obami,reid,pelosi triad just don't care. They have their socialist agenda which has long been their goals. They have THE power; the Republicans have turned into wusses who won't filibuster; and too many Americans just want stuff.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but I've been a political activist for over a decade and now seeing it is all for naught. The USA is dying because of the corrupt political machine. I stated some peaceful objectives above. If they don't come to fruition, than what is the recourse?
Don't answer. God forbid that the obami DHS peg you or I as "extremists" because we believe in our Constitutional heritage.
Keep on voting for the lay down, roll over, play dead, turn coat, globalists, throw elections, R plantation owners.
Sorry Rush you're down to 98.9 on this one.
"I didn't leave the
democrat republican party, they left me." ~ RWR ~
Whoa! We've got probably a couple hundred people culling through everything that they can read, left and right, to find the issues that will resonate. No one, NO ONE, has come up with anything close to that. It rings my bell and I'm going to shoot it out tomorrow and see if it gets the response that I think it will.
Maybe i'm misunderstanding your meaning or your misunderstanding mine. I wasn't calling for a Constitutional Convention, but a convention of concerned citizens to discuss how to parlay our tea parties into a bigger more powerful movement.
With due respect, the MSM is going to continue to spin to their liking and make the so-called down-trodden feel dis-enfranchised. That's what they do and will do until they eventually die (which is happening).
As I watched TEA Party coverage on Fox, the only person who had a real clue about the under-lying purpose was Glen Beck. It's unfortunate that such a wise man comes off as a silly clown on his show. He is doing our cause a small dis-service with his antics. But better him than nothing. At least he knows and promotes the Founding Fathers' principles.
Rush is an ass. He's not even entertaining anymore. Many years ago I used to love his musical parodies. I was one of his first fans. Over the years he has disappointed me so often. Be a Rush fan, people, he's not the answer to our problems.
Fair enough. Just giving you some Constitutional background. Best.
And of course, we need individuals to lead the fight. Our Founding Fathers and Mothers sacrificed to give us liberty. Committing to the cause and accepting that huge sacrifices will have to be made in order to regain our liberty is key.
Just my 0.02 cents
No more parties. They don’t work in Europe or any where else. We have to take back the GOP.
2. Term limits
3. 50 Federal courts (one for each state) beneath the Supreme Court. All decisions are based on federal law but decisions only apply to that individual state. Judges of these courts are appointed and their terms set out by the individual states. Only Supreme Court decisions would apply nationally. Supreme Court judges subject to dismissal if President and Congress get 2/3 vote if decisions are believed by such not to be consist ant with the Constitution
4. Sunset provision on all laws, Any law must come up for an up or down vote every century or be discarded.
Oh I totally agree. It's also my opinion we should be countering them, the best we can, via letters to the editor (if enough of us send them in they can't completely ignore them), calling talk radio, especially to hosts whose views differ from ours, and most importantly explaining our position to neighbors, friends and others every chance we get. In other words, spread the word.
That's what I try to do at The (rat infested) Local Watering Hole, and with my wife and her co-workers when I take them to work in the morning.
A neighbor was jogging by as I came home the other morning. She's HUGE Obama supporter and stopped to "congratulate" me on the April 11th Tea Party. She had read in the local paper that there were only a "few hundred" at the rally.
I just happened to have some pics and a video with me and proved to here that no matter what the media claimed, there were AT LEAST 5 to 7 thousand at the rally.
That made an impact, LOL!
I'm looking for the Margaret Chase Smiths, the Strom Thurmonds, the Alan Simpsons, the Barry Goldwaters that should be stepping forward on their own. Right now they don't have to.
We are a diverse party and a multi-regional party and we have to work out our differences and commonalities before we can go anywhere. Relying on a handful of radio commentators to develop the party line is obtuse. It is just putting too many cats in the gunny sack and watching it jump around.
I think parties are unavoidable. It's simply the natural outcome of political evolution. The only way anybody can win in a democracy is a unified coalition. Parties form naturally because the only other outcome that is stable in practice is dictatorship. It's better to find some way to acknowledge this reality and deal with it.
REPORT CA-TEA PARTY ...”Being that new media was our way to spread the word out to the masses, you can surely imagine that the mainstream lefty media did nothing but put words in my mouth yesterday. Everyone from the Los Angeles Times to the Daily News to NBC took everything I gave them and ran it thru the spin cycle. They were angry that they would not put words in my mouth and I would NOT allow them to make my Tea Party a mean spirited Obama hate machine. Every time I mentioned this was an AMERICAN event and not a REPUBLICAN event the reporters became angry. Every time I told them that people across the political spectrum planned on attending, they would say Well I guess the democrats showing are conservative or blue dog democrats, right?. I made it VERY clear to these reporters and spinsters that they were no long needed in the pursuit of spreading information about events and rallies, and that social networking worked just fine for my event in getting the word out. Nothing makes an activist like myself get the warm and fuzzies quite like telling a reporter from the LA Times that he was not needed and Facebook did just fine spreading the information we needed to get out!
All and all these Tea Parties stood for something simple. Something every American has the right to, and that’s taxation WITH representation. This sent a message to both Democrats and Republican elected officials alike that you represent the people. We don’t represent YOU! Nothing beats a gathering of discerning minds just trying to flex their first amendment muscle and fight for their right to party, Tea Party that is!
http://www.capoliticalnews.com/blog_post/show/1841 While there were plenty of anti-Obama signs (”Obama: Hitler gave good speeches, too”; “President B.O., your budget stinks”) at both the San Francisco and Sacramento rallies Wednesday, Republicans shouldn’t think this “revolution,” as it was referred to from the Sacramento stage, is theirs.
“Are you guys tools of the Republican Party?” Meckler asked the crowd that packed the west lawn of the Capitol in Sacramento.
The crowd’s response: Boooooo!
Much anger at rallies
The “tea baggers” were angry about government bailouts. Angry at getting fewer services for their tax dollars. Angry at President Obama for approving the bailouts, at former President George W. Bush for not restraining federal expenditures and at Congress and the Legislature for spending “like drunken sailors” - one of the day’s more popular refrains.
The crowds at both rallies were largely white and nearly all of those interviewed identified themselves as Republicans or conservatives. Conservative Fox News commentators like Sean Hannity talked up the rallies for weeks and hosted their programs from them Wednesday. And conservative advocacy organizations like FreedomWorks - led by former House GOP Majority Leader Dick Armey - helped organize Wednesday’s efforts, leading some to deride the events as “Astroturf” or false grass roots rallies.
Still, if Republicans don’t seize this street energy “it could turn into a third-party movement,” Glenn Reynolds, creator of the popular right-of-center Instapundit blog, told National Public Radio Wednesday.
Michael Semler, a political science professor at Cal State Sacramento, said that the tea party protests stem in large part from conservative frustration with the Democratic president, who still enjoys high support in the polls.
“They want to find something to stick to him, and they can’t,” he said. “Mr. Obama has developed a smart strategy, being on the news and doing something every day,” as he did Tuesday, when he delivered a comprehensive speech on the economy - then followed it up “doing even something as mundane as playing with a dog.”
Such savvy moves in media, Semler said, have served to suck the oxygen from the room for many of the conservative pundits - especially in a week when Obama “got the 3 a.m. phone call” regarding Somali pirates and managed to win applause for the resolution of that potential crisis.
That means “the right wing doesn’t have a story line, and they’re frustrated,” he said.
While the namesake Boston Tea partiers were upset by British taxation without colonial representation in 1773, Wednesday’s protesters were frustrated by and angry at the quality of their representation. Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Sacramento, was the rare politico at the podium Wednesday, as organizers said they rebuffed several Republicans who wanted to attend.
Michael Reagan, the talk show host and son of the former president, drew one of the loudest roars of the day when he ripped Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger at the Sacramento event by saying, “Arnold, you are no Ronald Reagan.”
How will it be paid for?
Others there just wanted answers about the bailouts.
“What I want to know is, how are we going to pay for all of this?” said Paul Kreutz, 51, of Sacramento, who held a sign that read, “You had me at Geithner.”
In San Francisco, about 500 fired-up activists gathered in the shadow of City Hall, carrying anti-tax signs with sayings such as “Save some for us, you pigs” and “Spread the poverty.”
“This is the opportunity that people have been waiting for,” said Melanie Morgan, the former talk show host and co-founder of Move America Forward, a grassroots conservative group. Watching as tea bags were distributed to the protesters, who pinned them on lapels, Morgan said the feeling among many of them was “exuberant.”
Sally Zelikovsky, who said she is a stay-at-home mother of three from San Rafael, said that, like others in the crowd, she had come to a spring weekday protest because “people are seeing this country going in a direction they find distasteful.”
A call for impeachment
Jim and Suzanne DuMolin of Tiburon were equally passionate, jointly holding a sign calling for Obama’s impeachment. That move, said Jim DuMolin, was justified - despite Obama’s current popularity and his democratic election by U.S. voters. “It does not give him the right to transcend” the boundaries of presidential powers, DuMolin said. “He has promised a socialistic approach to government. That’s really very little difference from Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.”
The left leverages the ‘cult of personality’ paradigm. It’s just one of their mindless herd mentality means of distracting the unthinking while they’re picking pockets.
The American Thinker posting, “Saving the Republic” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2231279/posts may provide a crucial focus if it can be distilled for public consumption and acceptance.
Good idea, but won't ever happen. Do you know that some of the Founding Fathers believed and argued for only property holders have a vote within the new Constitutional Republic? They believed that those who didn't own property, but yet had a vote, would eventually vote themselves the largess of the property owners?
Benjamin Franklin said something similar, to paraphrase, "Once the populace discovers it can vote itself the largess of the treasury, the Republic is doomed".
Are we not now seeing such a concept in our welfare state, and our ever increasing re-distribuion of wealth under the Bush and more so the Obama administrations?
Fifty, I say again, almost 50% of Americans don't pay taxes. So let me get this straight: Those non-tax paying Americans are still getting the benefit of national defense; medi-care; housing in some instances; welfare and food stamps; local police and other emergency services, free education; and countless other Fedgov and State benefits? Thanks to your taxes, providing you aren't in the bottom 50 percentile. And the MSM wonders why we are pissed off?
Reagan had a worse problem than we do with the press. He also had a smarmy little drunk named Mike Deaver who understood the media and how to counter them. Do you remember ever seeing a bad picture of Reagan? It's not just that he was photogenic but Deaver always put him in backgrounds that benefited him. The little guy was pure genius.
Whoever put together the video linked to in post 12 has the touch. That is powerful.
District gerrymandering is another area we should be attacking. Support redistricting reform to end gerrymandering.
Different time. Different American mentality. But I agree with your point about that place in history.
Ross Perot = Bill Clinton.........and it will happen everytime. You can’t get a majority when you divide by 3.
A massive march on Washington has to be in the works . If that can’t be accomplished everything will be futile. The major networks will not be able to spin that kind of showing and the world markets will pick it up. Make sure it is on a day Bambi( brown clown) is in town so he KNOWS about it !
Its simple math...you don’t get a majority when you divide by 3. 3rd party = Bill Clinton via Ross Perot
I agree with several on here — we need to stick to no more than three solid agreeable ideas, easily translatable to everyone in this country and keep hitting them over and over and over.
Now that conservatives have proven that they can get out of work/office/home and get out and be amongst each other, we need to keep it up.
I don’t like the idea of getting out in public and expressing my views and I think a lot of conservatives feel that way — I prefer that everyone play by the same “F’n” rules as everyone else and leave me alone — but all that has gotten us is “zero as present” and now that we are awake and know that we know it is okay to come together in public we need to keep it up.
Memorial day (coming up) is another great day to rally. 4th of July is another good day. Veterans Day is another good day. Labor Day is another good day. VJ day is another good day.
With enough advance notice we will get a crowd — We found out Sarah was going to be in Richmond only one week in advance — we made arrangements to get there — there were easily 30K people in attendance — all very fired up, all very motivated.
In the words of Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after his attack on Pearl Harbor, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”
November 4th, 2008 — “a date which will live in infamy,” the date the conservatives in the US had a rude awakening.
Yawn...no one will control the people on this. It doesn’t need formal organizing, let it be what it is for each individual. A congruence of dissatisfaction with an oppressive government.
These protests are the largest grass roots movement since the sixties and were done without much organization. Let’s keep it that way for now.
Different time but the principle’s the same. The next Reagan may be a sunken-chested dweeb with a whiney voice but if the message resonates it will stop a show like Susan Boyle.
That may come later but right now we have found a formula that works for the people we have. How many families can afford to take a few days off to travel to a coastal city?
With due respect, I don't think you are getting it.
The Nation is dying due to the encroaching socialism that Clinton, Bush started and Obami is accelerating. The time is long gone for petitions to the Obami,Reid,Pelosi triad. THEY DON'T CARE! They are in power, as one of them said. They are hellbent on installing their COLLECTIVISM!.
Our last opportunities are through the courts against un-Constitutional legislation; States' rights support; massive grassroots efforts for Term Limits (most importantly); reduced Congressional sessions; sunset all non-essential legislation; and especially promoting and educating the populace about the importance of our history and it's Constitutional beginnings, and how it has made a better World.
Sorry to yell, but the politicians are not listening. The TEA Party grassroots movement should take this opportunity to focus on at least one of the above.
As far as tactics go, I think we should escalate to massive civil disobedience. Take over a government building, for instance, do a 60s-style sit-in or something. They can ignore the peaceful, orderly, law-abiding stuff all day long, but they can’t ignore a shutdown of one (or a hundred) of their offices.
Muti-party systems are harder to get any thing done. This is why Europe is socialist for longer then us. If we don’t restore our system it is over.
We can take back the GOP but the force you saw in the streets will have to be applied to the local and state level GOP. That means someone from the family has to attend party meetings.
You are right. I'd call the movement "Not On My Watch!"