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Ammo shortage a concern for area (Read last line)
clarecountyreview ^ | 4/15/2009 | Pat Maurer

Posted on 04/19/2009 3:16:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

The “buying frenzy” started after the election, said Jeff Poet of Jay’s Sporting Goods.

Gun owners are now finding it almost impossible to find automatic pistol cartridges, including semi automatic, 32 ACP, 380 auto, 9 mm and 40 caliber S & W.

Potential legislation suggested by the Obama administration that would reinstate the 1994 ten-year “Brady Bill” limiting ammunition magazines to a maximum of ten rounds, has customers “buying up supplies,” Poet said.

Before his election, President Barack Obama said, “My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons bans as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year I intend to work with congress on a national no carry law, a one gun a month purchase limit and bans on all semi-automatic guns.”

“We started having a problem getting ammunition around the end of January,” Poet said. He added, “The current shortage is similar to the cycle in 1994 (when the Brady Bill was instituted under President Bill Clinton) when we sold out of high capacity weapons and ammunition.”

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Public concern is growing. Walter said “The NRA [National Rifle Association] has signed up more members since January than in all of 2008 and 2007 combined.”

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More gun owners is the only way legislation can be stopped.
1 posted on 04/19/2009 3:16:22 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA
"More gun owners is the only way legislation can be stopped."

Good point!

2 posted on 04/19/2009 3:23:23 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

My local dealer here at Lake of the Ozarks has plenty of .223 when I stopped by last Saturday. I also noticed .40 and .357 on his shelf.


3 posted on 04/19/2009 3:27:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Red in Blue PA

> In the first year I intend to work with congress on a national no carry law...

That kinda runs afoul of the “...and bear arms” part of the Second Amendment, doesn’t it? How does he propose to achieve this without such legislation being deemed unconstitutional?

Your constitution is not there merely for decoration. One day, eventually, somebody somewhere in the US is going to need to have the courage to defend the Constitution if it is to remain relevant. It ought to be as easy as asking Obama for his birth certificate please. But it may become as difficult as insisting that the Second Amendment isn’t merely a suggestion, but rather a Force of Nature.


4 posted on 04/19/2009 3:29:38 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Gun owners are now finding it almost impossible to find automatic pistol cartridges, including semi automatic, 32 ACP, 380 auto, 9 mm and 40 caliber S & W.

I went to the Bill Goodman Gun Show in Nashville yesterday. There was ammo available from a number of vendors in almost all calibers except for .380. I saw NO .380. One vendor had a 1,000 round case of 9 mm for $300.

Ammo is available but it is expensive.

For ammunition re-loaders, the news on primers is not good. Primers are back-ordered by the millions. Manufacturers of primers, such as Winchester and Federal, are not shipping separate primers right now. They are using every primer they make to manufacture their own loaded factory ammunition.

I bought two boxes of Federal Large Rifle primers last week. They used to sell for about $16 per thousand. I paid $40 per thousand. They were the last boxes available from the retailer. They said they won't be getting any more, perhaps for many months.

It is interesting there are people now buying brand new pistols who cannot find ammunition for their new pistols.

If you go to a gun show to buy a pistol, check to make sure you can buy the ammo before you buy the pistol.

5 posted on 04/19/2009 3:48:20 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

I was to Cabela’s in PA yesterday to buy another gun (KImber Custom II) and was surprised to see that they were out of ammo too (was looking for .380).

Cabela’s usually has it.....it’s expensive, but they usually have it.


6 posted on 04/19/2009 3:50:59 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

I’m new to reloading and firearms in general. I need 40 caliber primers and bullets. I have all the brass I could ever want. Any tips for where to get these components online? I’m expecting a waiting list, I just want a reputable source.


7 posted on 04/19/2009 4:03:52 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I bet obama won’t let his kids play cowboy’s and people of color.


8 posted on 04/19/2009 4:08:50 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“That kinda runs afoul of the “...and bear arms” part of the Second Amendment, doesn’t it? How does he propose to achieve this without such legislation being deemed unconstitutional”?

...we have to remember that bobama believes that the Constitution is a “living and breathing document”. To a Marxist, that means “arbitrary and lawless activism”. (page 37, “Liberty and Tyranny” by Mark Levin) Great book btw!


9 posted on 04/19/2009 4:09:09 AM PDT by albie
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To: Vaduz

> I bet obama won’t let his kids play cowboy’s and people of color.

When I was a kid and we all played Cowboys and People-of-Color (Red), my little brother and I always wanted to be a People-of-Color (Red). They could cheat, fight better, and steal horses (bikes). And they got to play with matches to make smoke signals.


10 posted on 04/19/2009 4:22:48 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“When I was a kid and we all played Cowboys and People-of-Color (Red), my little brother and I always wanted to be a People-of-Color (Red). They could cheat, fight better, and steal horses (bikes). And they got to play with matches to make smoke signals.”

:-D


11 posted on 04/19/2009 4:26:02 AM PDT by RoadTest (" -strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
That kinda runs afoul of the “...and bear arms” part of the Second Amendment, doesn’t it? How does he propose to achieve this without such legislation being deemed unconstitutional?

Obama won't try. The risk is that the SCOTUS declares such a law unconstitutional AND declares carry permits are the equivalent of driver's licences....meaning your carry permit would be automatically accepted by any state just as your driver's license is accepted by any state.

Obama's legal team will see this as too risky with the current court makeup.

12 posted on 04/19/2009 4:29:25 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

What?
Gun owners around Lake of the Ozarks?
Who’d of thunk it?


13 posted on 04/19/2009 4:29:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher
At a large gun shop yesterday in Jacksonville yesterday I noticed a bunch of 223 and 308 available by the case and the prices were not all that much different than six months ago. That was the good news. The bad news was there were 380’s available, HPs only, and the cheapest was $28 for 20 Corbon DPXs plus there was a two box limit. There were 9s, 40s, and 45s by the case but I did not check the price as I needed none. I was buying a 22auto just so I can go shooting without activating my home equity account.

Meanwhile, the internet dealers I use all have sold out and restock dates beyond July for 9s 40s 380s with one listing dates in 2010. On 380s, Midway does not even list a date.

Vince

14 posted on 04/19/2009 4:47:53 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I bought two boxes of Federal Large Rifle primers last week. They used to sell for about $16 per thousand. I paid $40 per thousand. They were the last boxes available from the retailer. They said they won't be getting any more, perhaps for many months.

Yowee! And it's not that long ago they were in the $14/box range.

15 posted on 04/19/2009 4:48:21 AM PDT by pa_dweller (Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves:... Isa 1:23)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
I’m expecting a waiting list,Most online retailers will not backorder primers - there are none available. What's worse is that they have no idea when (if) they will get more - it's that bad.
16 posted on 04/19/2009 4:54:09 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: Red in Blue PA

Individuals stockpiling ammunition are not going to keep America free. Your personal stash makes you feel good — and complacent — but it won’t stop the gradualist dictatorship.
It does make you feel good, though, when you keep on jumping those hoops, obtaining registrations, permits, licenses. Someday you will need a government coupon to flush your #$@*&! toilet, and you will obediently fill out the form for that too.
Meanwhile, buy all the ammo you can. It comes in cardboard, and someday you might need that.


17 posted on 04/19/2009 4:57:32 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( AR2, Overdue! = American Revolution II...Overdue.)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
Primers for pistol ammunition are not sold by caliber. You buy either Large Pistol Primers or Small Pistol Primers. The brass is manufactured to accept one of the standard sizes of the two. A .40 S & W caliber cartridge takes a small pistol primer. Do not use either Magnum or Small Rifle primers. They are made for specific purposes other than pistol cartridge loading.

Here is a link for a popular "Rainier" copper plated lead bullet source called Midway Supply. Midway Supply

Good luck finding primers. You'll just have to check around.

18 posted on 04/19/2009 4:57:58 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Mouton

Glad some ammo is still available.
Been to two gun shows in the last 6 weeks.
Seems they are aware of folks fear and you save nothing by attending one. but it still is neat to check out all the weapons I’d like to have one of like a Barret.
Course I like .22s cause you can shoot all day for nearly nothing.
I start shooting .45, and .50s adn .30/.30 and it gets expensive real quick.


19 posted on 04/19/2009 5:07:35 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
I have all the brass I could ever want.

The only time I ever had "all the brass I could ever want" was when we went down to Monterrey Marine base (was Navy command pistol team captain at the time, not civillian) and picked up a 55 gallon drum full of spent .223 and .45 hulls, along with ammo cans of clips (not magazines) and clip guides to reload the magazines.
Very little of that left now, (25 years later).

20 posted on 04/19/2009 5:09:55 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
More gun owners is the only way legislation can be stopped.

The US has plenty of gun owners. We need more gun owners who are also active in speaking up and guiding legislation. NRA etc. probably only have a couple percent of the gun owning populace.

21 posted on 04/19/2009 5:21:10 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
> In the first year I intend to work with congress on a national no carry law..."

That kinda runs afoul of the “...and bear arms” part of the Second Amendment, doesn’t it? How does he propose to achieve this without such legislation being deemed unconstitutional?

Probably the same way they did the National Firearms Act of '34, the Gun Control Act of '68, and the Assault Weapons ban of '94. All survived constitutional challenges. It's even worse now.

22 posted on 04/19/2009 5:34:30 AM PDT by weaponeer
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To: Red in Blue PA

FREE ONE YEAR NRA MEMBERSHIP

Pass this on to your friends and relatives.

https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp


23 posted on 04/19/2009 5:35:22 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Red in Blue PA

Last sentence:

“The NRA [National Rifle Association] has signed up more members since January than in all of 2008 and 2007 combined.”
 “It’s not a good time, not a good time,” he said


24 posted on 04/19/2009 5:38:59 AM PDT by stockpirate (The NAZI's called themselves - "The Children of the New Age of World Order")
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Ammo is available... you have to order it in and it can be very expensive... even .380 is around but it is not worth what it will cost you to get it into your hands. Other calibers... even the most popular... are available and affordable... but you must put an effort into locating it.

LLS

25 posted on 04/19/2009 5:48:48 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Gun owners are now finding it almost impossible to find automatic pistol cartridges, including semi automatic...

Ummm... OK

26 posted on 04/19/2009 5:52:04 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
“That kinda runs afoul of the “...and bear arms” part of the Second Amendment, doesn’t it? How does he propose to achieve this without such legislation being deemed unconstitutional?”

Just like the progressive liberal socialist did in 1994 when they enacted the “assault weapons ban” and not a single American challenged the Constitutionality of the law!

Keep your powder dry!

27 posted on 04/19/2009 5:55:46 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Pissed off because of prices I see. One can read the exact same screed on numerous gun sites. Some of us are buying ammo to be able to affordably shoot... something that I do every week on my own range. Prices will remain high and go higher until hussein leaves office and the economy has a reason to improve... that will be years coming.

LLS

28 posted on 04/19/2009 5:56:33 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Pissed off because of prices I see.

Not at all. I'm a single woman. I get free ammo at the gun range. :D

ps: I click on gun sites maybe once a year, and never the forums. FR eats up all the time I have for keyboarding.

29 posted on 04/19/2009 6:01:52 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( AR2, Overdue! = American Revolution II...Overdue.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
My son and I went to the Dixie Gun Show in Charlotte, NC yesterday.....He bought a AK-47 for $500 and we split a case of 1000 rds ($320.00) per case.
Plenty of ammo, but alas no .380.......7.62x39 was there but ranging from .32 per round to $1.00 per (not in the large amounts as in the past.
SKS and AK’s were a premium
30 posted on 04/19/2009 6:05:12 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Plenty of everything except .308 at the Post Falls, ID Cabela’s. Prices, well...

200 rounds of Remington 55 gr .223 for $100.00


31 posted on 04/19/2009 6:05:56 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
FR does that to a person. I want every American that wants to arm him or herself, to do so. The gooberment does not have enough people or enough coffins to disarm 200 million Americans... and they never will. They can tax ammo etc and that is why many are buying up ammo in record quantities. Some are using it as an investment for profit. Now that is as American as Apple Pie and Capitalist to boot. You just need to come at this from a different viewpoint. I wish that I could get free ammo... and I own my range! :-)

LLS

32 posted on 04/19/2009 6:07:28 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: Noumenon
$10 for a box of 20 at Pistols Plus, Osage Beach, MO. They also had Wolf brand (made in Russia) .223 for $8.50 for 20.
I've heard mixed reports on the Wolf product.
33 posted on 04/19/2009 6:13:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Red in Blue PA

Before his election, President Barack Obama said, “My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons bans as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year I intend to work with congress on a national no carry law, a one gun a month purchase limit and bans on all semi-automatic guns.”


This article is badly written. I suspect that this is not a real quote from Obama, but a quote of the gun shop owner claiming what Obama said.

I googled some key phrases, and found that it is from an alarmist email that is entirely unverified. Essentially debunked.

Makes me distrust the quote about the NRA membership growth, too.

Disreputable journalism is annoying, even dangerous, even when it’s on our side.


34 posted on 04/19/2009 6:20:13 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Most online retailers will not backorder primers - there are none available. What’s worse is that they have no idea when (if) they will get more - it’s that bad.


The reason is undoubtedly that the primer makers are putting all those primers into ammunition that they can sell at a much higher profit. That, and they are selling them to the major ammo manufacturers instead of at retail.


35 posted on 04/19/2009 6:24:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: paratrooper82

The Obama quote is a fake.


36 posted on 04/19/2009 6:25:13 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: albie

“...we have to remember that bobama believes that the Constitution is a ‘living and breathing document’. To a Marxist, that means ‘arbitrary and lawless activism’. (page 37, ‘Liberty and Tyranny’ by Mark Levin) Great book btw!”

The Bamster is also on record as saying he believes the Constitution is “fundamentally flawed.”


37 posted on 04/19/2009 6:35:06 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

In my area, the shortage started on Nov 5, 2008. Not very many here are very happy about NObama as President.


38 posted on 04/19/2009 7:14:50 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I saw a few boxes (3) of Wolf primers on the shelf last week $28 per thousand.

Springfield area.

39 posted on 04/19/2009 7:22:29 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I went to the Bill Goodman Gun Show in Nashville yesterday. There was ammo available from a number of vendors in almost all calibers except for .380. I saw NO .380. One vendor had a 1,000 round case of 9 mm for $300.

This seems to be the case pretty much everywhere... My guess is that the same equipment can be used for .380 & 9mm, so the production has all been switched over to 9mm these days. Just a guess on my part, but I'll stick with it.

My local gunshops can only get shotgun primers: No pistol or rifle primers, and they're short on all other supplies too. And ammo? Short on .223 & .308, but they do have a fair amount of 7.62x39 & 7.62x54, but it's all surplus and corrosive, which is probably the reason it's still on the shelves. In fact, the only caliber that seems to be readily available around here (but still expensive) is .40S&W.

Mark

40 posted on 04/19/2009 7:25:37 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
I’m new to reloading and firearms in general. I need 40 caliber primers and bullets. I have all the brass I could ever want. Any tips for where to get these components online? I’m expecting a waiting list, I just want a reputable source.

All I can say is "good luck." Try Dillon Precision & Midway... You should be able to find bullets (loaded ammo in 40S&W is plentiful around here, a local shop has a wall of Federal and W/W cases of loaded .40S&W), but from what I hear, you may be out of luck at finding primers anywhere.

Mark

41 posted on 04/19/2009 7:29:04 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Robe

I am trying to understand what the deal is on 380. Is it that the caliber is not very popular so the suppliers don’t make much? Or is it that it is very popular and supplier can’t make enough? I have been looking for 380 for two months in Calif and AZ. I am down to 200 rounds. I guess I’ll shoot up 192 of those and wait.


42 posted on 04/19/2009 7:37:21 AM PDT by super7man
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Red in Blue PA; All
--"More gun owners is the only way legislation can be stopped."--

--we've already got somewhere around two hundred million, the vast majority of whom don't even belong to the NRA, don't write their congressman (or even know its name, in most cases), and in large numbers of them don't vote or voted for Obobo--what good are more of that kind going to do?

43 posted on 04/19/2009 7:41:47 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I bought a Glock 19 yesterday from a local dealer. I was able to pick up plenty of Speer Lawman 124 gr. TMJ CF ammunition for range practice at $14.99 per box of 50. But that’s about all they had on the shelf. The had no 9mm ammo specifically for personal defense.


44 posted on 04/19/2009 7:41:59 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Beelzebubba
The reason is undoubtedly that the primer makers are putting all those primers into ammunition that they can sell at a much higher profit. That, and they are selling them to the major ammo manufacturers instead of at retail.

The "primer manufacturers ARE the major ammo manufacturers. For example, at the Lake City AAP in Independence, MO, they manufacture primers for their own use. I was there the day one of their primer compound mixing houses blew up. Very loud. From what I hear, all the manufacturers are working 3 shifts to try to keep up with demand. It doesn't really have a whole lot to do with maximizing profits by selling the primers to the highest bidder. It's about having enough primers to manufacture the ammo for which they have orders.

Mark

45 posted on 04/19/2009 7:47:43 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: pa_dweller
Around here, a month ago I was able to buy 1 box of small pistol primers for $50/1000. *Gasp!*. I went ahead anyway and bought them, simply because I was desperate and needed them.

Today, the same price tag is there on the shelf - but no primers. So, I suppose the price has now stabilized...

46 posted on 04/19/2009 8:04:35 AM PDT by Gritty (An unarmed man must depend on someone else to defend him and then becomes their subject- Machievelli)
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To: ought-six
The Bamster is also on record as saying he believes the Constitution is “fundamentally flawed.”
Most frightening is the recording of Zero on the Chicago NPR station back when he was a state senator. He complained that the constitution was a list of "negative rights" that prohibited govt. from "doing all it can".

Yep -- the "constitutional scholar" Zero complaining about restrictions on govt. power (not "rights" fool).

Peet (very afraid)
47 posted on 04/19/2009 8:04:47 AM PDT by Peet (<- A.K.A. the Foundling)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
"I have all the brass I could ever want."

Wait until you really "get rolling" with reloading. You'll soon discover the old adage, "You can never have too much brass! ;-)

(Taking the kids' metal locator with me to my range this afternoon -- for a thorough "policing up"...)

48 posted on 04/19/2009 8:07:23 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: albie
To a Marxist, that means “arbitrary and lawless activism”.

Seems I've read that somewhere recently.

(page 37, “Liberty and Tyranny” by Mark Levin) Great book btw!

Like on that page. Last night.

49 posted on 04/19/2009 8:19:32 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Our Savior who art in Washinton, Hollow be His graven image.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Before his election, President Barack Obama said, “My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons bans as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year I intend to work with congress on a national no carry law, a one gun a month purchase limit and bans on all semi-automatic guns.”

FactCheck.org disputes the "national no carry" claim, but National Review August 27, 2008 article has:

According to a 1996 questionnaire he filled out while running for the Illinois Senate, Obama promised to support a ban on “the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.” Even though Obama’s handwriting appeared on the questionnaire, Obama’s campaign would claim earlier this year that his staff filled it out and he was completely unaware of the answer he had given. You don’t have to go back that far to find Obama taking an extreme stance against gun rights. In 2004, while running for the U.S. Senate, he promised to bar citizens nationwide from receiving concealed-carry permits. The Chicago Tribune reported then that Obama “backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement.” Obama explained his plan to pre-empt state concealed-carry laws with a federal bill: “National legislation,” Obama said at the time, “will prevent other states’ flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents.”

50 posted on 04/19/2009 10:36:38 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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