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Open carrying of firearms legal, Van Hollen says (Wisconsin)
Journal Sentinel ^ | 4/20/09 | Patrick Marley

Posted on 04/20/2009 1:43:32 PM PDT by IDRATHERNOT

Edited on 04/20/2009 2:04:21 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: MediaMole

I belive the consitional amendment was passed in 88 and it wasn’t even close I belived it passed by 78%.


61 posted on 04/21/2009 4:20:45 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Dead Corpse; CodeToad

So you’re hoping the robber makes a judgment call about the number of people openly packing before they arrive. If they made judgment calls in the first place, they wouldn’t be robbing banks.


62 posted on 04/21/2009 4:58:24 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: ponygirl

I was born in NY and grew up as a teenager in AZ. I thought it was so cool when I saw a guy on the bus with a massive revolver strapped to his hip or a guy walking down Central Ave in Phoenix with a rifle.

Nowadays I am back in NY. I find it funny when I go back to AZ and walk into a bar. Sometimes they remind me that I can’t bring my firearm inside. There is astonishment when I tell them I don’t have one. That is until I say I’m from NY. Then it’s just understanding and sympathy.


63 posted on 04/21/2009 5:29:04 AM PDT by OA5599
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To: Dan Nunn

Sure they would. Banks are currently Victim Disarmament zones. If they were Fully Armed zones, they’d go knock over something else instead.


64 posted on 04/21/2009 6:14:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (1000110010101010100001001001111)
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To: CodeToad
All he has to do is position himself to prevent you from going for your gun.

Then my wife shoots him.

Also, I don't carry a "six shooter".

65 posted on 04/21/2009 6:15:23 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (1000110010101010100001001001111)
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To: JimRed

Had he been a RAT, would the paper have stated his party so early in the article?”

You still put a lot of trust in the R after their name since the last Presidential election?
As far as I’m concerned, they are all rats.
If their vocation is politician, it’s only a matter of time before they renege on any promises they made.


66 posted on 04/21/2009 7:15:35 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: IDRATHERNOT; Diana in Wisconsin; SJackson

Excellent news. Score one for the good guys!!! I don’t know a whole lot about J.B Van Hollen - I remember only some of his campaign ads.

I’d love to hear a lot more of these announcements and I hope people will take advantage of this as I know in my area at least it won’t make the community any less safe, and other crimes will go down if criminals start to get an idea of how many armed people are around them.

“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein


67 posted on 04/21/2009 7:16:26 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Actually, there are so many hunters in the Northern Part of the state that to see them ‘around’ town is really not that big of a deal. Especially during season. Mostly it’s ‘long guns’ though. The only people I’ve ever seen personally who practice Open Carry are the police officers.


68 posted on 04/21/2009 7:19:31 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: All

I should’ve added that to be able to work with the Attorney General on a ‘shall issue’ CCW law would be nice... :) I know as a woman, CONTRARY TO WHAT MS. GESTAPOLITO thinks, I would feel very safe in my community with concealed or open carry of firearms because we have a lot of wonderful veterans who live in our area, and I would have NO PROBLEM if when they retire, or come home they carried a weapon either open or concealed as their preference.

We have nothing to fear from people having guns. What we DO have to fear are CRIMINALS having guns, and the people being UN-ARMED>


69 posted on 04/21/2009 7:29:12 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: ponygirl

Screw them and their aneurysms. Since when in the United States of America does someone else’s aneurysm define the limits of your rights? January 20, 2009, perhaps?


70 posted on 04/21/2009 7:39:19 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you'd like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

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More accurately, it's always been legal.

But you have to love lawyers.

A hunter openly carrying a rifle or shotgun on his property during hunting season while quietly tracking game should not face a disorderly conduct charge

the same hunter carries the same rifle or shotgun through a crowded street while barking at a passerby, the conduct may lose its constitutional protection.

What if I'm walking my dog through a crowded street and my dog is barking?

There's no end to the parsing, and he does seem to leave the disturbing the peace issue at the discression of the officer.

If my officers see someone walking around the City of Milwaukee with a firearm openly displayed, it borders on irresponsible if I were to communicate to members of my community that they can carry that firearm with impunity

So how small does a town have to be for both the US and Wisconsin Constitutions to apply?

71 posted on 04/21/2009 7:49:47 AM PDT by SJackson (Barack Obama went to Harvard and became an educated fool. Rep. Bobby Rush)
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To: IDRATHERNOT
everyone loves Van Hollen Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

72 posted on 04/21/2009 7:57:46 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Jean S; jellybean; Madison Moose; G8 Diplomat; youngjim; ThunderStruck94; Watery Tart; KRAUTMAN; ...

‘Wisconsin Conservative Politics Ping List’ Ping!


73 posted on 04/21/2009 7:59:14 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: philetus
If their vocation is politician, it’s only a matter of time before they renege on any promises they made.

Which makes imposing term limits all the more critical. It has to be made impossible for anyone to be a career politician without moving to a different job every few years, to prevent the establishment of fiefdoms.

We need public servants, not masters.

74 posted on 04/21/2009 8:03:21 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Ladysmith
can conceal carry around my own property. I would like to think that also applies to anyone I give permission to but am not sure on that. But it seems logical....

I don't think there have been any cases other than the one which reached the Supreme Court, which validated concealed carry in one's place of business or residence, and which most people think extends to ones property. In a rural area it's not something I worry about much, but until it's been tested, I wouldn't assume you can assert that right for a visitor.

75 posted on 04/21/2009 8:03:24 AM PDT by SJackson (Barack Obama went to Harvard and became an educated fool. Rep. Bobby Rush)
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To: SJackson

I used to carry a shotgun right into the little grocery store in the small town where I grew up. No case, just over my shoulder or slung over my back and no one ever raised an eyebrow.

There are still a lot of small towns wgere people walk to where they hunt or shoot. I live in town now but can be in the woods inside of 5 minutes.


76 posted on 04/21/2009 8:15:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Jean S

Scott Walker is due to announce his candidacy this week.


77 posted on 04/21/2009 10:58:44 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: TXnMA
Well just remember that it is only illegal here in Texas if you INTENTIONALLY fail to conceal the handgun under Penal Code section 46.035 (a). As a prosecutor I can tell you that I have yet to see a case where we have charged a single person for this offense in my county.

If the wind blows your shirt up or you reach up to the top shelf on the grocery isle and the clerk sees your gun, you are NOT in violation of the law. The State has an extremely high burden of proof by having to prove the mental state of INTENTIONAL, so don't be too freaked out.

A change in the law to just say "license to carry handgun" would be nice though. I would at least like the option.

78 posted on 04/21/2009 3:18:25 PM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Clump
Thanks! I had missed the word, "intentionally" at the end of that opening paragraph...

I suppose my real concern now is determining the point where "imperfect" concealment (i.e. choosing a thin or tight or translucent cover garment) becomes "intentional failure to conceal". (Summer is fast approaching...)

FWIW, I'm going to call our local CHL class instructors and point out 46.035(a) to them.

Thanks again!

79 posted on 04/21/2009 5:06:40 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

“taken to jail but not charged.”

And that’s how we lose our liberty.


80 posted on 04/22/2009 5:13:26 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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