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ARMY: Black Beret Blues
StrategyPage.com ^ | 4/20/09

Posted on 04/21/2009 10:30:47 AM PDT by llevrok

April 20, 2009: U.S. Army troops are becoming more energetic and vocal in efforts to get rid of the black beret they have been forced to wear for the past eight years. Back in 2000, the U.S. Army commander (Chief Of Staff) general Eric Shinseki ordered that the black beret replace the traditional billed cap (which had been used for nearly a century). Shinseki believed the black beret would be a symbol of excellence, reflecting the overall professionalism of the entire Army. He believed the black beret would repair the (largely nonexistent) divisions created by the use of different color berets in some units (red for airborne, green for special forces, black for rangers). Shinseki also believed that, because black berets are (everywhere but in the United States ) worn by armor troops, and in the U.S. by Rangers, the new headgear would reflect a merger of both light and heavy forces. This was a non-issue to most troops. Shinseki also insisted that selecting the color black was not intended as an insult to the Rangers (who were, and still believe that this was exactly what was intended) but was simply the best color to match the battle dress uniform (BDU). This, despite the fact that there is no longer any black in the BDU. Shinseki also wanted to create a "world class uniform" that would be respected by foreigners who came into contact with US troops. But American troops associate the beret with armies that tend to lose (especially the French) and consider it no great honor. Then there are practical issues. The beret is made of wool, and requires more care to keep it presentable. Even at that, no one can agree on exactly how one should wear it. The damn thing is made of wool, and is uncomfortable in warm weather. Since it has no bill, it provides no shade for the eyes when troops have to stand in formation. It also costs twice as much as the patrol cap (the baseball cap live headgear, that is the same pattern as the BDU and is soft and light). But for many formations and occasions, the troops must wear the beret, instead of the patrol cap. Most troops would prefer to use the patrol cap, in camo or monotone versions, instead of the beret.

From the beginning, the black beret was very unpopular. Surveys quickly revealed that the majority of the troops were hostile to the head gear change. But Shinsheki went forward anyway. Current and former rangers, and many members of Congress, appealed to president Bush to reverse the policy back then. But September 11, 2001 came along before Bush could do anything, and the beret issue has been pushed into the background ever since.

But now the troops feel they have won one war, and are on their way to winning another, and would like to get some relief from those damn, stupid berets.


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1 posted on 04/21/2009 10:30:47 AM PDT by llevrok
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To: llevrok

Thank God I got out before they changed to the beret. There was nothing wrong with the soft cap. It was much sharper and shaded your eyes.

Wearing wool on your head in the summer is not a good idea. The summer soft cap had holes in it for air.


2 posted on 04/21/2009 10:35:25 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: llevrok

Get rid of the damned thing.


3 posted on 04/21/2009 10:35:43 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homouestions there was a LONG pause before)
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To: llevrok
A.K.A. "The Monica."


4 posted on 04/21/2009 10:36:45 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: SandRat

Ping


5 posted on 04/21/2009 10:37:33 AM PDT by llevrok (I would rather die, standing up and fighting, than to be on my knees, begging)
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To: llevrok

6 posted on 04/21/2009 10:38:56 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: llevrok
Shinseki believed the black beret would be a symbol of excellence, reflecting the overall professionalism of the entire Army.

The beret was chosen for our various elite troops in memory of their fighting behind the lines in France in WW II. Shinseki's making it part of the uniform for all the troops reeked of some Lake Wobegon Army where all the troops are above average.

7 posted on 04/21/2009 10:39:54 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
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To: cotton1706

Soldiers put on the soft cap any chance they get. It protects the eyes and keeps the head cooler.


8 posted on 04/21/2009 10:40:32 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: llevrok

I never wanted to wear it.

Give the Black Beret back to the Rangers and I’ll happily go back to my patrol cap and keep both the sun and rain out of my eyes.


9 posted on 04/21/2009 10:41:18 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: llevrok

Bush was C in C for 8 years and didn’t even do this. He was so sad.


10 posted on 04/21/2009 10:41:26 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: llevrok

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History of the Beret

http://www.armystudyguide.com/uniforms/beret_history.htm

Military forces have worn distinctive uniform items for centuries to create a psychological advantage and boost their esprit de corps, but the military use of berets is a relatively recent phenomenon, said Walter Bradford, an Army historian who has studied the issue.

Scottish Highland troops wore a “bonnet” in the 17th and 18th centuries, while the headgear most people now know as the beret was worn in the Basque region of France and Spain in the same period, Bradford said.

But widespread use of the beret among Western armies didn’t begin until the 20th century, when French tank crews in World War I wore both the small Basque version and a larger, floppier variety.

Headgear history

In the 1920s, British tank crews began searching for an alternative to their stiff khaki service-dress cap, which just wasn’t practical for duty inside the relatively new armored vehicles.

“The cap had to be worn backwards to use the gunner’s sights, with the chin strap down to keep it on the head,” Bradford said. “The light wool serge fabric soon became home for grease stains as it was clutched and adjusted by soiled fingers.”

In 1924, the tankers came up with a black wool beret whose size fell in between the two French versions and was bound with black leather featuring an adjustable ribbon that ran around to tie in the back.

When the British tankers added their traditional “Fear Naught” emblem above the left eye, they had a snappy piece of headgear that quickly became famous for its distinctiveness and grew to be the symbol of armored formations around the world, Bradford said.

The military popularity of berets soared during the World War II era when various British units donned the headgear in several colors, including a khaki brown variety adopted by Special Air Services troops and a maroon variety worn by Britain’s first airborne force, the Parachute Regiment, that became affectionately known as the “cherry berry.”

Legend has it that the color was picked by novelist Daphne du Maurier, wife of Maj. Gen. Frederick Browning, one of Britain’s highly decorated World War II heroes, Bradford said.

Berets debut in U.S. military

The first use of the modern beret in the U.S. military was in 1943, when a battalion of the 509th Parachute Infantry was given maroon berets by their British counterparts for their service in the war.

In 1951, the Marine Corps experimented with green and blue berets, but dismissed them because they looked too “foreign” and “feminine,” Bradford said.

The first widespread use of the headgear by U.S. forces came shortly after, when a new Army organization that was specially trained for insurgency and counterguerrilla warfare began wearing a green variety in 1953. It took another eight years for the Army’s Special Forces — the “Green Berets” — to win presidential approval from John F. Kennedy to make their headgear official.

In the 1970s, Army policy allowed local commanders to encourage morale-enhancing uniform distinctions, and the use of berets boomed. Armor personnel at Fort Knox, Ky., wore the traditional British black beret, while U.S. armored cavalry regiments in Germany wore the black beret with a red and white oval.

Troops of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C., started wearing the maroon beret in 1973, while at Fort Campbell, Ky., the trend exploded, with post personnel wearing red, military police donning light green, and the 101st Airborne Division taking light blue as their color. In Alaska, the 172nd Infantry Brigade began using an olive green beret.

In 1975, the Airborne Rangers got approval from the Department of the Army to use the black beret as their official headgear.

Over the next few years, the whole thing got out of hand, and in 1979 senior Army officials put on the brakes, Bradford said. The leadership allowed the Rangers to keep their black berets and in 1980, agreed to allow airborne troops to continue wearing the maroon version. But all others varieties were declared off-limits.

Present-day beret

These days, the United States is on the low end of the spectrum among NATO allies in terms of the variety of berets worn by their military forces.

Turkey, Greece and Luxembourg also authorize only three colors for various segments of their forces, but most countries have four or five. Belgium has seven and the United Kingdom tops the list with nine.

On Oct. 17, Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki announced that the black beret would become standard Army headgear next year. Shinseki said he wants to use the sense of pride that the beret has long represented to the Rangers to foster an attitude of excellence among the entire Army as it moves forward with its sweeping transformation effort to a lighter, more deployable, more agile force.

His decision has set off a firestorm in both the active-duty and veteran Ranger community as well as in the Army’s other two special operations camps, the Special Forces and the airborne.

On Oct. 20, Sgt. Maj. of the Army Jack Tilley said Airborne Rangers might receive headgear of a different color when the entire Army dons the Rangers’ traditional black beret next June.

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11 posted on 04/21/2009 10:41:42 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: llevrok

They should go back to the old soft cap

There are too many senior officers in the Army who hate the specialized forces (Rangers, Special Forces, Airborne) and this was the reason they decided on the black beret for all troops.

Also, with all US Army in a black beret....it makes the US Army look like some weak European military


12 posted on 04/21/2009 10:41:42 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (The Biggest Threat To American Soverignty Is Rampant Economic Anti-Americanism)
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To: llevrok
It was an inspired choice.

Here's the inspiration:


13 posted on 04/21/2009 10:42:07 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 91 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: cotton1706

As I recall the berets were to be made in China back in the crinton era


14 posted on 04/21/2009 10:45:45 AM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Made in USA and proud of it.)
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To: llevrok
In response to objections from the troops the Obama administration has ordered new headgear for the Army.

This headgear reflects the feelings of the administration for the military:

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15 posted on 04/21/2009 10:46:13 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: llevrok

Can someone post a picture of the soft cap? I know what the beret looks like; my son has one. But I don’t remember the other.


16 posted on 04/21/2009 10:46:37 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Caligula, just like his Kenyan ancestors, is selling his countrymen into slavery.)
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To: KarlInOhio

To quote the movie “The Incredibles”:
“If everybody’s special; no one is”


17 posted on 04/21/2009 10:50:08 AM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....)
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To: Jemian

18 posted on 04/21/2009 10:51:00 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: llevrok
Shinseki believed the black beret would be a symbol of excellence

Well, it WAS until you made it a symbol of "everyone"....hint to Shinseki....not all troops are "excellent"...not even all infantry troops.

19 posted on 04/21/2009 10:53:52 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: Citizen Soldier
"As I recall the berets were to be made in China back in the crinton era"
I remember that.
Or maybe Mr. Shinseki has a brother-in-law who owns a beret factory?
20 posted on 04/21/2009 10:56:07 AM PDT by astyanax (Had enough Hope and Change yet?)
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To: BubbaBasher

Well, that’s ugly with the digital camo on it.

I wore the one with the prior camo pattern.


21 posted on 04/21/2009 10:56:32 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: llevrok
But American troops associate the beret with armies that tend to lose (especially the French) and consider it no great honor

The British Royal Marines, Parachute Regiment, SAS, German SKS, Russian Spetnatz, Several Scottish Regiments, and the Israeli military might dispute that opinion

22 posted on 04/21/2009 10:59:20 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Competent small-government conservative = close enough for government work)
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To: US Navy Vet
Bush was C in C for 8 years and didn’t even do this. He was so sad.

He would have been cruxified as wasting money on hats while troopers were dying from lack of body armor.
23 posted on 04/21/2009 11:00:49 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: llevrok
The way to gain world class respect for the uniform is to kill bad people, fast and effienctly, the moment they step out of line. It worked for 180 years; it will work again every time that it is applied.
24 posted on 04/21/2009 11:01:03 AM PDT by 50sDad (The mainstream media is the only watch dog that decides what it is going to bark at.)
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To: RedMonqey

Weren’t any troops “dying” from from no “body Armor” from Jan 2001-11 Sept 2001.


25 posted on 04/21/2009 11:03:15 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

I chatted with some senior Army NCO about six months after the order came down. He was at some course at the time, where the topic was discussed by a dozen senior Army NCO’s....of which none agreed with the idea or the message delivered.

About two years later...I had one Army Captain tell me that this was rated as one of the five dumbest ideas of the decade within the Army.


26 posted on 04/21/2009 11:03:34 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: ltc8k6

Well sonny. I wore one that was ALL green. 1968. LOL


27 posted on 04/21/2009 11:04:33 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
The berets for all are a Euro-weenie thing. We are American troops.

Get rid of the Euro 9mm Berettas's while you're fixing things. A good American Colt.45 model 1911. (back when Colt was American).

28 posted on 04/21/2009 11:07:28 AM PDT by llevrok (I would rather die, standing up and fighting, than to be on my knees, begging)
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To: ltc8k6
I would prefer the German Afrika Korps design (wish I had a link but I dont) because it has a peak that keeps it in an aggressive and sharp shape that our patrol caps only achieve with the “Ranger Tuck” added.
29 posted on 04/21/2009 11:19:05 AM PDT by onward_xtian_soldier (God Bless America! America Bless God!)
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To: llevrok

One reason the Army/military is so confused about the beret/”cap” issue - is the damned thing isn’t a cap...

Little kids wear caps.
Baseball players wear caps.
Dumb ass “rap stars” still haven’t figured out how to wear caps.

In our day, the military wore COVERS....not caps.
Jeeze what feminine pansies they’ve become.

The referred to “soft cap” is nothing of the sort!
It was a UTILITY COVER..... plain and simple.

There was no confusion in the old Marine Corps...
We had it all, with the proper nomenclature.
There were MANY authorized service/climate/functional/MOS appropriate COVERS. But, not a SINGLE CAP!

I guess next, they will call men’s trousers - pants.
In our day, only women wore pants and panties - men wore trousers and boxer/BVD shorts.

They gone too damned far with the metrosexual Army.


30 posted on 04/21/2009 11:25:08 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Bush was C in C for 8 years and didn’t even do this. He was so sad.

Yeah, I guess he didn't have anything else to do. /s

31 posted on 04/21/2009 11:26:45 AM PDT by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: llevrok

I was one of those that though this would never come to pass.

I’ll be glad to see it go.


32 posted on 04/21/2009 11:43:13 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: US Navy Vet

It wasn’t Bush’s job to do it.
As CIC, he was civilian leadership.
Uniform decisions are left to the individual services, as it should be.


33 posted on 04/21/2009 11:44:30 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: onward_xtian_soldier

I can’t recall how many times I took shit for the “Ranger tuck” on my patrol cap. Even blocking it, so it didn’t look like a hand rag was verboten.

I did it anyway.


34 posted on 04/21/2009 11:47:08 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: river rat

All that “confusion’, and the USMC still has to come to The Army to design its uniforms and camo.

Go figure.


35 posted on 04/21/2009 11:48:48 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: llevrok

To make matters worse I think they are made in China.


36 posted on 04/21/2009 11:49:51 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: llevrok

By the time Bush was aware of it and everybody was complaining about the thing it was too late to turn it around. Millions had been contracted for. They had some quality issues I recall and they were buying the bulk of them from China because there wasn’t anybody in the U.S. who could make that many berets.

The other thing is that Bush had some loyalty to Shinseki. Even if it could have been done Shinseki would have had to retire or resign after his boss publicly humiliated him. Bush did hang with some people a long time.


37 posted on 04/21/2009 11:51:21 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: ltc8k6
I wore the one with the prior camo pattern.


38 posted on 04/21/2009 11:52:45 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: llevrok

Background: Shinseki was the 3rd ACR adjutant in ‘78 when then Army CoS Bernie Rodgers put the edict out on multi-colored berets, including black berets for armored/cavalry units. Shinseki always had a hard on about his black beret being taken away and acted accordingly when he attained the position as Army CoS.


40 posted on 04/21/2009 11:57:05 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: US Navy Vet
Weren’t any troops “dying” from from no “body Armor” from Jan 2001-11 Sept 2001.

Yeah.Right Changing the color of berets was such a high piority issue, much higher than getting his cabinet picks passs congress, keeping his campaign promises, etc. etc.
41 posted on 04/21/2009 12:01:13 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: SJSAMPLE
".....the USMC still has to come to The Army to design its uniforms and camo"

Fortunately, there were no girly boy MOS's in the Marine Corps for "costume design", sewing, embroidery, crocheting or needlepoint.

42 posted on 04/21/2009 12:01:27 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: KarlInOhio

FWIW - I was forwarded the following email yesterday:


Today, IAVA and the nation’s leading Veterans Services Organizations stood with President Obama, Secretary Gates and Secretary Shinseki at the White House to renew the nation’s commitment to our newest generation of heroes.

Fulfilling two of his campaign promises, President Obama announced his support for advance funding the VA and ensuring a seamless transition between the VA and DOD healthcare, which will have a huge impact on the lives of troops and veterans.

Can you take a minute to join IAVA in thanking President Obama, Secretary Gates and Secretary Shinseki for making veterans and their families a priority? This is an important first step to giving our veterans the health care and benefits they’ve earned.


I replied:

Sorry, XXXXX, but these are the same bastards who considered charging vets for war wounds...and Shinseki is the idiot who bought berets for the Army because Rangers are good at their jobs, and THEY wore berets...

Obama’s stopping the F-22, C-17 and delaying a decision on air refueling tankers. He’s also bowed to the Saudi King, sucks up to Hugo Chavez and apologizes to everyone for everything the US has ever done. ‘Thanks’ isn’t exactly what I’d like to give him...


Shinseki may be even worse than Obama.


43 posted on 04/21/2009 12:02:24 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: river rat

Except for the two USMC scout/snipers who came up with the idea for a new uniform, after seeing field mods done by SOF forces.

They knew the USMC just couldn’t get it done, and the project was brought to The US Army Soldier Support Center at Aberdeen, MD.

Keep grasping, brotha ;)


44 posted on 04/21/2009 12:04:41 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: cotton1706

My preference is the slouch hat as worn by Jed Clampett.


45 posted on 04/21/2009 12:06:52 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: llevrok

My take on this is that the “berets for everybody” order was just an attempt at “self-esteem building” for an otherwise demoralized military.


46 posted on 04/21/2009 12:10:28 PM PDT by Kenton (BUCK OFAMA!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Marpat Predates The Army’s ACU, and was developed by Marines.


47 posted on 04/21/2009 12:14:59 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Arrowhead1952

That’s it except I don’t think mine had any vent holes.

I still have the 2 I was issued somewhere.


48 posted on 04/21/2009 12:31:37 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: usmcobra

Not exactly.

The Canadians came first with CADPAT. They came to the US Army.
Then, the USMC decided to follow the Canadians and they, too, came to the Army.

Now, the US Army had been workig on digital camo since the early 1980s, when they experimented with it on vehicles of the 3rd ACR.

Then, the US Army proposed a single digital camo solution that would replace the BDUs. But, the USMC wanted something unique, so they asked The Army do design a unique and patented camo pattern (MARPAT). It was the USASSC at Aberdeen that did the work on both the pattern and the cut, pulling the uniform design from the SOF community.

The USMC did field MARPAT before the The Army issued ACP/ACUPAT/ARPAT.

However, even the two USMC scout/snipers that started the USMC down that path agreed that while the USMC and Canadians argued about which came first (chicken or the egg), “it was the Army that was the rooster.”

THIS is why it pays to study history, but not necessarily the USMC version.


49 posted on 04/21/2009 12:33:03 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: usmcobra
I remember when the Corps was entertaining the idea of berets, red as I recall but decide to retain the 8point utility cover. I'm glad they did.

State side they were starched, in Nam soft, but we used to put a book of matches in the front panel to make it stand up, and usually we would get a slightly smaller size so it would kind of perch up on the front of our heads. Not to be confused with the kaki summer,or green winter service cap also known as a piss cutter or C**t cover. Semper Fi MARINES!

50 posted on 04/21/2009 12:34:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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