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Missing the point (Four Corners Error)
The Move Channel ^ | April 22, 2009 | Catherine Deshayes

Posted on 04/22/2009 4:42:27 AM PDT by BulletBobCo

One of America's most popular tourist destinations has been revealed to be a fake - well, almost - The Four Corners Monument, which claims to be the only spot in the USA where visitors can stand in four separate states, was built in the wrong place...

If you thought you were standing in Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico at the same time, think again. The famous Four Corners Monument, which was said to mark the intersection of the four states, turns out to be located 3.2 kilometres west of the actual spot.

One of the most unique tourist destinations in the country, the monument has been a lucrative tourist trap since it was built 140 years ago. The current four corners monument is on land owned by the Navajo Nation and the nativeAmerican tribe has even built a visitor centre at the site -so this news will come as something of a blow to them.

Scientists from the National Geodetic Survey uncovered the mistake this week and revealed that the man employed to carry out the US Government's original survey of the intersection, in 1868, may have deliberately planted his marker at the wrong spot in order to avoid a tough walk through the desert.

Surveyors used satellite maps and GPS units to track down the right location. The monument, which should have been located at 37 degrees north latitude and 109 degrees west longitude is actually located at 36 59 56.31532 degrees north latitude and 109 02 42.62019 degrees west longitude. A steep, rocky hill nearby is the correct location.

But all is not lost for the famous state boundary attraction - experts have said that, since the monument was approved by the Government, it is legally the state boundary - regardless of geographic protocol.

Bill Case of the Utah Geological Survey said, "What is legal is political, not scientific, and it doesn't matter if you make a mistake.

"If all the states and the US Congress say the current Four Corners is the actual Four Corners, then that's that," added Mr Case.

I can't help feeling this may be a tough case (sorry) to win with the millions of tourists that haven't actually been standing in all four states at one time.

Federal officials say it's up to the Navajo Nation and the Ute Mountain Indian Tribe to decide if they want to move the monument to the correct spot.


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1 posted on 04/22/2009 4:42:27 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo
What is legal is political, not scientific, and it doesn't matter if you make a mistake.

Interesting. I wish everything else in life were so cavalier about making mistakes. Maybe we should just give Canada and Mexico 2 1/2 miles of US land. Perhaps North Korea would move its border north a couple of miles. Typical bureaucratic crap.

2 posted on 04/22/2009 4:47:31 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: BulletBobCo
One of the most unique tourist destinations in the country

Never been there. I only visit the very, very, mostest, uniquest places.

3 posted on 04/22/2009 4:58:56 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: BulletBobCo

“What is legal is political, not scientific, and it doesn’t matter if you make a mistake”

Global warming?


4 posted on 04/22/2009 5:02:48 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: BulletBobCo

They are just now catching up. This has been fairly well known since I was a youngster. That was back when the Grand Canyon was called “The Grand Gully”. It’s the difference between “official and “real”.


5 posted on 04/22/2009 5:07:58 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: BulletBobCo

Been there. Guess I was standing in just New Mexico, not all four.


6 posted on 04/22/2009 5:08:41 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Zero: I don't care about the country as long as I'm in charge. Forever.)
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To: BulletBobCo

How is this current news? This has been known for ages. When we were there several years back we played with the GPS, knowing it was wrong, trying to find the actual point. Alas, off road.


7 posted on 04/22/2009 5:09:13 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: wolfcreek
“What is legal is political, not scientific, and it doesn’t matter if you make a mistake”
Ever since scientists started allowing politics into their premises, everything they do is a mistake.
8 posted on 04/22/2009 5:09:21 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: BulletBobCo

This shouldn’t be a surprise. There are several state borders that are disputed.

As for moving it... The only way the Navajo Tribe will move it is if the government pays for the new “Visitor’s Center” and reimburses them for the old one.


9 posted on 04/22/2009 5:11:56 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: BulletBobCo
I guess the night someone got drunk and drank a beer in all four states and then micturated upon all 4 states with the same expression of the bladder will have to revise his/her claim.
10 posted on 04/22/2009 5:19:06 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: BulletBobCo
may have deliberately planted his marker at the wrong spot in order to avoid a tough walk through the desert.

Typical gubmint worker.

11 posted on 04/22/2009 5:39:19 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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Bill Case of the Utah Geological Survey said, "What is legal is political, not scientific, and it doesn't matter if you make a mistake. "If all the states and the US Congress say the current Four Corners is the actual Four Corners, then that's that," added Mr Case. If this a**clown actually thinks it doesn't make a difference where it is actually located why don't they move it to the middle of colorado and see what happens.

The more government pukes like this talk the more I want to become an anarchist.

12 posted on 04/22/2009 5:48:28 AM PDT by calex59
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To: BulletBobCo
Early surveys were often off by significant amounts. The Texas-New Mexico border was originally off by (IIRC) as much as seven miles. Even the corrected version is off by about two miles. This puts some of the towns right on the border in a state of confusion. A bunch of folks that are running around calling themselves Texans are really New Mexicans.

The Texas-Oklahoma border has the same problem. Markers were put in the wrong places which gave Texas land which should have been in Oklahoma. Texas would have given it back because nobody wants part of Oklahoma except for the fact that there was oil on the disputed land. Oil won out and the thievin' Texans stole that land, too.

13 posted on 04/22/2009 5:52:06 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: BulletBobCo

So Arizona is almost two miles wider on the east side than we thought it was? Will they have to move the inspection stations and truck scales on I-40 and I-10?


14 posted on 04/22/2009 5:54:56 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: MARTIAL MONK
A bunch of folks that are running around calling themselves Texans are really New Mexicans.

Can you blame them, though?

15 posted on 04/22/2009 6:01:26 AM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: wolfcreek
“What is legal is political, not scientific, and it doesn’t matter if you make a mistake”

Global warming?

LOL. That's exactly what I was thinking.

16 posted on 04/22/2009 6:26:24 AM PDT by big black dog
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To: BulletBobCo

Pay three dollars and you get admission to the only point where the boundaries of four US states (Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Utah) hit each other. If you are interested in geographical points like that and like taking the famous “standing-in-four-states-in-one-moment” shots, then this place is a must-go I have to admit.
http://www.travelamerica360.com/four-corners-monument.html


17 posted on 11/21/2010 11:30:37 PM PST by jadesmith (Four Corners Monument)
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