Some Think Secession Is Un-American

The only disagreement appears to be which manner a State or States leave?

I would agree with that.

Do they nullify Federal Law?

Nullifying the law is not an option. States have tried it in the past and the courts had struck it down every time.

Secede?

It it's that important to you then it would be a valid option.

Seriously this getting permission can be problem some.

Why? The only way I can see it being a problem is if you cannot show that secession is the wish of the majority of your population. If Texas legislature announced tomorrow that it wanted to secede then the federal government could and should tell it to go take a flying leap because all evidence shows that secession is opposed by 3/4ths of the Texas population. If, on the other hand, it was clear that secession was the desire of 3/4ths the population then I am adamant in my belief that Congress has no other choice but to begin negotiations with Texas on the separation. To do otherwise would be the height of stupidity. Now you can 'what if' until the cows come home and make all the claims you want on how Obama would never allow it, but we'll never know until the facts are there in front of him for the world to see. And I believe that he will have no other choice than to support Congress in waiving Texas bye-bye.

Well then how about the February 1830 Nicholas Trist letter, which is referenced in LOC collection and in which Madison says:

That IS the letter I was quoting from. It's the same one you were posting from before.

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Was Madison dotty in 1830 as well?

Madison himself said his words shouldn't be trusted at that point. Are you saying he was a liar?

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Because during the period when Madison was making clear his dismissal of the whole concept of secession without the consent of the other states he had watched the Constitution in action for 40 years.

If that were is feeling, don't you think he would have been making it clear for 40 years? Yet his latter letters contradict what was said publicly in his prime

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I've seen nothing that would make me believe that any of then every intended actions like unilateral secession guaranteed to cause hostility and acrimony.

Of course you haven't. There is nothing that will 'make you believe' because you refuse to see any evidence to the contrary.

I could post evidence that Alexander Hamilton believed that a State could break its bonds with the Union at will, and you would not believe it.

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And Madison makes it clear he believed likewise.

No, you wish to believe he felt likewise.

Your mind id made up, and trying to 'convince' you of something you have no wish to see is a waste of time.

I'll leave now and let the lurkers judge the evidence on this thread for themselves.

“It it's that important to you then it would be a valid option.”

Leaving is always an option! If your a private contractor to a “contract” if the terms are broken..You stop work until resolution is reached or settle the legal entanglements peacefully at best/In the Street at worst

“And I believe that he will have no other choice than to support Congress in waiving Texas bye-bye.”

I hope your right about this! Texas is a damn proud State and that whisper will soon turn to screaming..Obama is walking on thin ice

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