Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Norway wants to ban sale of gas-powered cars
The Windsor Star ^ | 4/27/2009 | Alister Doyle

Posted on 04/27/2009 8:53:21 AM PDT by doc30

A proposal to ban sales of new gasoline-powered cars in Norway from 2015 could help spur struggling carmakers to shift to greener models, Finance Minister Kristin Halvorsen said on Saturday.

"This is much more realistic than people think when they first hear about this proposal," she told Reuters, defending a plan by her Socialist Left Party to outlaw sales of cars that run solely on fossil fuels in six years' time.

"The financial crisis also means that a lot of those car producers that now have big problems ... know that they have to develop their technology because we also have to solve the climate criss when this financial crisis is over," she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at windsorstar.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; cars; gas; green
Ban does not include hybrids and biofuel vehicles.
1 posted on 04/27/2009 8:53:21 AM PDT by doc30
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: doc30
That sounds like a dandy was to boost recession-hit sales of existing gas-powered cars thru 2005.

Same "ends" here in the US with Government Moters and driving the car company to bankruptcy... just different "means".

2 posted on 04/27/2009 8:56:47 AM PDT by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30
Still, Halvorsen said she knew of no other finance minister in the world who was even arguing for such a goal.

Who wants to be ahead of their time on a stupid idea?

3 posted on 04/27/2009 8:59:41 AM PDT by FourPeas (I am the pink flamingo on the great lawn of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FourPeas
We too have had financial types building cars for quite some time. They took over General Motors for example. For several years GM made enormous profits making and selling SUVs. Dividends were enormous. Payouts for additional union benefits were increased substantially. Everybody was happy except somebody forgot to consult the engineers about using antiquated buildings, wornout machinery and what happens if there's a recession and the company has no cash reserves for retooling.

I suppose Norway's Finance Minister sees likes what she sees when she goes shopping in Detroit.

4 posted on 04/27/2009 9:03:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: FourPeas
Who wants to be ahead of their time on a stupid idea?

Most of the Democratic Party, from what I have seen.

5 posted on 04/27/2009 9:05:43 AM PDT by dirtboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Invest in Norwegian hay futures.


6 posted on 04/27/2009 9:09:03 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Liberals really don’t think things out.

Electric cars require lithium made batteries.

Lithium comes from strip-mining and batteries disposed of are bad for water supplies.

Then to send the electricity through the power lines to power the battery, tons of coal must be burned every year.

This is not taking in account the manufacturing factors, such as the amount of gas used for the lithium mining trucks, the battery manufacturing camps.

I guess it makes everyone feel good though.


7 posted on 04/27/2009 9:11:09 AM PDT by MNDude
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30
Fabulous idea. Let us know how those battery operated electric cars work when it's -55 Deg. F in the winter there.

That should get you at least 5 miles down the road, if you don't drain battery power by running the heater or the windshield defroster.

8 posted on 04/27/2009 9:12:17 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Norway is prosperous for the first time in modern history for one reason and one reason only: North Sea Oil Reserves! If they really wanted to reduce fossil fuel use, they would suspend exports of oil and ride their smug self-righteousness right back into poverty and obscurity.


9 posted on 04/27/2009 9:12:42 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30
In 2065, Norway will look like Cuba today with a large number of classic 2015 cars still being driven around (or pulled by oxen).
10 posted on 04/27/2009 9:12:58 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: muawiyah

That’s all sadly true. One of my family members was a GM retiree. Because of the unbelievable benefits it was dubbed Generous Motors. The spouse and I worked as sub-contractors for GM working with plant engineers. That was 20+ years ago. GM was doomed to fail 20+, maybe even 30+, years ago.


11 posted on 04/27/2009 9:15:16 AM PDT by FourPeas (I am the pink flamingo on the great lawn of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: willgolfforfood
-55 Deg. F

Very good point.

12 posted on 04/27/2009 9:17:21 AM PDT by FourPeas (I am the pink flamingo on the great lawn of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: doc30
"This is much more realistic than people think when they first hear about this proposal," she told Reuters

Kinda like your dentist telling you that "this is not going to hurt much" as he straps you down on the table while announcing that the office ran out of painkillers the day before...

13 posted on 04/27/2009 9:19:40 AM PDT by Zeppo (Save the cheerleader, save the world...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Freezing in the dark, and STUCK IN ONE PLACE. Nice. Have all the modern industrialized nations gone totally nuts?


14 posted on 04/27/2009 9:20:44 AM PDT by La Lydia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Norway should go one step further by banning cars that use any materials that are a product of oil or oil produced energy. Go all the way.


15 posted on 04/27/2009 9:21:37 AM PDT by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

Pulled by reindeer ~ it’s cold there so they need an animal that can handle the weather ~ and reindeer do much better than oxen.


16 posted on 04/27/2009 9:25:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Right or wrong, you can always tell a Norwegian - you just can’t tell him much.


17 posted on 04/27/2009 9:30:56 AM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a dog.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Dandy! Yet another item to add to the ever growing list of why Norway isn’t (and never will be) a major player in the World to any degree.


18 posted on 04/27/2009 9:31:16 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc30

I’m still waiting for a street-legal, wind-up car.


19 posted on 04/27/2009 9:41:09 AM PDT by CHATTAB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MNDude

Time for a return to the horse & buggy days it appears.


20 posted on 04/27/2009 9:45:20 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: dainbramaged

HEY!!!!! My wife resembles that remark (I hope she doesn’t read this).


21 posted on 04/27/2009 9:46:07 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: doc30

Does anyone know who owns the donkey and buggy whip monopoly in Norway?


22 posted on 04/27/2009 9:52:58 AM PDT by Cyman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: willgolfforfood

What percentage of all cars in the US operate where it gets below -55? 1%? 5?


23 posted on 04/27/2009 10:00:48 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Unassuaged

I would love a cold weather super car, with someone else doing all the R&D!


24 posted on 04/27/2009 10:02:08 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: doc30; thackney

Norway, that sits atop the North Sea Oil fields?


25 posted on 04/27/2009 10:07:34 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CPT Clay
Time to invest in Buggy-Whip Manufactures
26 posted on 04/27/2009 10:17:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: IronJack

Invest in Norwegian hay futures.”

How about Alaska Dog sleds and dog breeders???


27 posted on 04/27/2009 10:50:53 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: doc30

“..her Socialist Left Party..”

Just a coincidence? I think not.


28 posted on 04/27/2009 11:12:21 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (I am inconsolate over the death of our country.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Unassuaged
I don't know. But I'm an electrical engineer, and a battery guy. At a mere 15 Deg. F ABOVE zero, batteries have well less than 1/2 their charge, as compared to mid-70's degree F.

That's MOST of the nation, on a typical brisk winter day. If you're going to work early, in the dark, your batteries are going to have to run your wipers, lights, all electronics and diagnostics, turn your electrically driven wheels, run the heater, the defrosters, and probably a few things I'm not thinking of.

To greatly simpify the argument...if you can't see your office from your house, you're in a spot of trouble, on a cold winter morning.

It's not much different in Texas or Arizona in the summer either, if you want your car's AC to be running flat out for you, on the way to or from home.

29 posted on 04/27/2009 12:02:33 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: willgolfforfood

Thank you for the information.

Would you say that battery powered cars will never be viable in cold weather?

I lived in rural Illiois where ther were lots of converted LP gas pickups, but gasoline was so cheap that it was not a worth it (early ‘90s).


30 posted on 04/27/2009 12:10:49 PM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Unassuaged
I think that's pretty much the case, with anything considered "state of the art" in battery technology right now, and probably for the next decade or so. Some out of the blue techological improvment could make this argument look silly, but it's not right around the corner.

Consider the Chevy Volt - about to go on sale this year, or next. That's supposed to have cutting edge set of either NiCad or Lithium Ion batteries, [can't recall exactly right now] so one of the best weight to energy density ratios available. Far better ratio than even the most high-tech lead/acid batteries. It's still too expensive to sell, so it's apparently a "lease only" vehicle.

And it's only rated for about 40 miles per fully charged battery bank...which is an OPTIMUM rating. What's the range in Minneapolis or Detroit on a day when their winter temperature is "average"? If the heater in the car is on during your commute, I bet it's no more than 12-15 miles, and single digits wouldn't surprise me.

So who wants to take this car on an emergency run from Fargo to Minot, ND, with a hard blizzard threatening to move in?

31 posted on 04/27/2009 1:18:32 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson