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Bondholders say GM on risky path to bankruptcy (GM trying to sucker bondholders)
reuters ^ | 4/27/2009 | reuters

Posted on 04/27/2009 5:42:18 PM PDT by tobyhill

A committee of General Motors Corp bondholders representing more than $27 billion of GM debt on Monday called the automaker's debt-exchange offer politically motivated and legally risky, and said it had a small chance to succeed in a way that would avoid bankruptcy.

"We are deeply concerned with today's decision by GM and the auto task force to offer only a small, inequitable percentage of stock to its bondholders in exchange for their bonds," the bondholders said in a statement.

GM said earlier it would offer bondholders new shares in an attempt to cut 90 percent of its bond debt as part of a deeper restructuring.

The terms of the deal as dictated by the Obama administration's autos task force would give bondholders only a 10 percent stake in a restructured GM while reserving an almost 40 percent for the United Auto Workers.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; generalmotors

1 posted on 04/27/2009 5:42:19 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

To continue the automotive motif -

“Bend over, I’ll drive.”


2 posted on 04/27/2009 5:44:41 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

They will do what they did with Chrysler. Let the UAW own 55% of GM.

Autoworkers are the stupidest, laziest people in the USA. So, Obama gives them ownership of critical businesses.

Obama is transforming us into Cuba.


3 posted on 04/27/2009 5:47:34 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: tobyhill

so go from a relatively senior position to equity, taking whatever seniority you have and flush it (now that it is worth much...)


4 posted on 04/27/2009 5:47:41 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
GM must really think of their bondholders as dumb asses. GM would be owned by the unions and the Government.
5 posted on 04/27/2009 5:51:36 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: tobyhill

>> give bondholders only a 10 percent stake in a restructured GM while reserving an almost 40 percent for the United Auto Workers

Frankly, if I was a bondholder I’d be out for blood. Screw the UAW! They’re at least half the problem.

Reverse the percentages; that might be about right.


6 posted on 04/27/2009 5:52:47 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: tobyhill

Even more scary:

“US taxpayers would take a majority shareholding in General Motors under a sweeping debt-for-equity restructuring proposal that the carmaker revealed on Monday in a bid to avoid bankruptcy.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a5326d50-332a-11de-9316-00144feabdc0.html


7 posted on 04/27/2009 5:53:35 PM PDT by Religion and Politics
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To: whitedog57
Autoworkers are the stupidest, laziest people in the USA. So, Obama gives them ownership of critical businesses.

Obama is not handing over the company to the auto workers. He's handing it over to the union bosses.

8 posted on 04/27/2009 5:54:41 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Nervous Tick

If I were a bondholder, I think I’d have a class-action lawsuit begging to be filed.


9 posted on 04/27/2009 5:55:38 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: tobyhill

>> GM would be owned by the unions and the Government.

Diehard GM fans say “I’d rather push a Chevy than drive a Ford!”

If this comes to pass, this will become reality. Between government and the UAW, quality will deteriorate to where pushing is exactly how you’ll get that Chevy you just bought home from the showroom.


10 posted on 04/27/2009 5:56:34 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: tobyhill

From Kudlow:

Get this: The GM bondholders own $27 billion and they’re getting 10 percent of the common stock in an expected exchange. And the UAW owns $10 billion of the bonds and they’re getting 40 percent of the stock. Huh? Did I miss something here? And Uncle Sam will have a controlling share of the stock with something close to 50 percent ownership. And no bankruptcy judge.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2U2YTYyZTdhODc4NTEzMjcyYWJmNWExYzcwYTlmNmM=


11 posted on 04/27/2009 5:57:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: Mr Rogers

>> If I were a bondholder, I think I’d have a class-action lawsuit begging to be filed.

Unless there’s a sneaky clause in the paperwork that short circuits it. Which wouldn’t surprise me.

I’m curious why shareholders in financial institutions — especially BAC — haven’t already filed lawsuits up the wazoo. Maybe they have and I just haven’t noticed.


12 posted on 04/27/2009 5:59:22 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Religion and Politics

Taxpayers won’t see a single dime in returns, even if GM was miraculously turned around to show a profit. This is just taxpayer’s funding of the UAW.


13 posted on 04/27/2009 6:00:48 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: whitedog57

I know he is getting advice from Castro on the economy. His buddy Fidel is very happy to see the USA go Commie before he dies. How will they force us to buy these commiemobiles.


14 posted on 04/27/2009 6:04:25 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine
How will they force us to buy these commiemobiles.

Ve haf vays, comrade!

15 posted on 04/27/2009 6:15:38 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: tobyhill

Bondholders are not as dumb as stockholders. They’re mature and savvy. Obama and the UAW are going to pull this off without paying the bondholders out.


16 posted on 04/27/2009 6:19:21 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Religion and Politics

Why are they trying to avoid bankruptcy in the first place?


17 posted on 04/27/2009 6:20:27 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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This deal is just a slow expensive and painful death.

The only chance GM has is to go to the courts in bankruptcy.

Since the taxpayers are being involved by Obama, we should call on GM to “Just say no to O.”


18 posted on 04/27/2009 6:25:33 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

these bondholders want bankruptcy cuz they got credit default swaps on gm. trust me they will bk and so will chrysler


19 posted on 04/27/2009 6:33:33 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: remaxagnt
***Representative Thaddeus McCotter, a Michigan Republican, is concerned that some bondholders want the company to go bankrupt because they also hold credit-default swaps insuring them against losses.***

You're exactly right and they appear to have their insurance through AIG who in turn has our money. The bondholders aren't going to be going down with this ship.

20 posted on 04/27/2009 7:26:47 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: tobyhill

ON TO COURT, secured bondholders!

Put the iron in the glove.


21 posted on 04/27/2009 7:28:52 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

They should have gone to bankruptcy 8 months ago and save the taxpayers billions.


22 posted on 04/27/2009 7:39:36 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: Ole Okie

I Know Nothink!


23 posted on 04/27/2009 8:16:27 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: tobyhill

Who in their right mind would buy GM bonds? Maybe you’d get some as part of a divorce proceeding but...who would buy them?


24 posted on 04/27/2009 8:21:15 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: tobyhill
The terms of the deal as dictated by the Obama administration's autos task force would give bondholders only a 10 percent stake in a restructured GM while reserving an almost 40 percent for the United Auto Workers.

Ah yes. Fascism is just grand for the President and crap for the proletariat.

If nobody has figured this out yet, Hussein and his merry men are determined to straight jacket Wall Street so much that you'd be lucky to earn 2%-3% a year. With the Street returning so little they are pinning their hopes you'll invest in government bonds and the new and improved government sponsored 401k that I'm sure is just around the corner.

25 posted on 04/27/2009 9:41:29 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: tobyhill
GM must really think of their bondholders as dumb asses.

GM & Tax Cheat Tim think the bondholders are stupid! I don't think the bondholders appreciate it very much either from their reaction!

26 posted on 04/27/2009 9:51:13 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: tobyhill

No, GM is not trying to sucker the bondholders, as it’s the Feds setting the terms.

The Feds are suckering us, because the bondholders will never go along with something like this. They’ll do much better in bankruptcy, which is where GM is headed.


27 posted on 04/28/2009 6:42:59 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: tobyhill

Why take 10 cents on the dollar when Bankruptcy court would give you more. F__k the government


28 posted on 04/28/2009 6:44:06 AM PDT by downwdims (It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority)
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