Posted on 04/29/2009 6:49:17 AM PDT by seatrout
Americans not being smart enough?
Who claimed that?
Wait a few years. Outsourcing is largely a means to undercut technical workers as they get into their thirties and forties. I hope it never happens to your sons, but they always need to keep an eye out for changes in the global job market and adjust their approaches accordingly. I made a shift from a technical position to a business-technical hybrid, and shifted from financial marketing to pharma marketing, and both have paid off, not so much with a significant increase in income, but from having a defendable job. It is also good to have a highly diverse technical background - I've done just about every job in IT.
Yes...Americans aren’t willing to accept market wages, and then complain when they can’t find jobs.
Ever check the ranks of the 40+ unemployed?
That's not the only reason. Our educational system is horrible at teaching maths and sciences. 'Cause, you know, the NEA has decided it is more important for students to know how to use a condom than to know how to solve differential equations.
It’s a self perpetuating cycle. Why go into the field if it will be outsourced or even in-sourced to foreigners? Which then keeps Americans from going in, which leads to calls to get more foreigners.
The solution is to close all visas for 5 years except for possibly those who have waited 5+ years to legally immigrate, because we have too many unemployed of any nationality within our own borders.
I don't think there is a young engineering student in America who doesn't want to start the next Hewlett Packard in his garage - but red tape drives them to take "jobs" with the existing Hewlett Packard, instead (and given the quality of HP products lately, they aren't too happy about it...) Fix that and no one will care about how many H1Bs are needed to keep the dinosaur corporations alive.
Yes, those silly Americans, wanting to have something more than a third-world income and lifestyle.
Guys like you are the ruination of the middle class. There is a competitive advantage to working in this country. H-1B programs eliminate that advantage for American workers. As long as we have a lot of unemployed IT and technical workers, the H-1B program legally should not have any significant activity - it is only to be used when American workers are not available to fill the position. It should NOT be a means of adjusting American wages down to that of third-world countries, no matter what globalist pinheads like you think.
Keep in mind I said financial mathematics. I.E. it pays very well, even compared to engineering (which is also good). So compensation is not the problem.
In my computer programming and administration experience and observation, the biggest difference between American and (typically) Indian programmers is discipline. Advanced math skills matters far less in the majority of programming positions than do discipline and productivity.
I think fewer programmers, particularly disciplined, productive programmers, are turned out in America because it's just not really FUN. FUN is what life's all about, right?
They're NOT available. I hire IT people for a living. US citizens are always preferred. There aren't enough of them out there.
Why don’t we bring over more Indians to do more work? We could probably get many of them to work at Walmart for $2 an hour. Why not more doctors? Lawyers? Why not autoworkers?
Why is it mainly IT that supposedly has this shortage?
All the time. In fact, I’m putting two to work right now.
How ya like those apples?
Are they willing to take salaries that are low enough to compete?
Really, the only place I see this happening is the CS/SE field. It’s easy to outsource, as you don’t actually have to be physically *there* to do your job, and since most CS/SE’s are terrible at explaining what they’re doing anyway, it’s not exactly a loss to hire someone who’s still getting acquainted with the English language.
As far as other types of engineering go, there’s still a preference for Americans, or at least people who have lived in the US long enough to have a green card. A lot of manufacturing companies have their testing on-site in the US, and those jobs really can’t be exported, as it’s easier to monitor exactly what’s going on when it’s right under your nose. Also, you’re still going to need someone who can explain how the stupid thing works... in English.
You are absolutely right, and you planned your career wisely. I’m confident my kids will do the same.
Some are stuck in the pre-tech bubble mentality of 8 years ago and demand unrealistic wages. Then they wonder why the have trouble getting employed. Those same folks often haven't kept up with current trends, like the shift to Java, etc.
The American citizens who stay up with the times and request market wages always find jobs.
Are you looking for IT workers over 40 years of age?
With all due respect to the wonderful Phyllis Schlafly, the free-enterprise system involves voluntary private decisions in a market economy. The owners are free to hire at the market rate--which is far below what Americans seem willing to accept.
It's a side of free markets that many conservatives don't like to admit or face....but just as we use it to our advantage, it can be used by others. We have no God-given right to be paid far above market just because we are "American" instead of "Foreign."
That is not my experience. I recently reviewed some
work from an Indian supplier (household name starting with W) which had pathetic documentation and total lack of
test results (other than a Excel spreadsheet alleging
compliance with specs).Discipline is what happens when
management sets performance standards and holds contributors
accountable.
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