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National Tea Party Leadership Team Accepts President Obama's Invitation
Parcbench.com ^ | Wednesday, April 30, 2009

Posted on 04/29/2009 12:42:59 PM PDT by kristinn

New York, New York – April 29th, 2009 - The National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition (http://www.nationwideteapartycoalition.com) today accepted President Obama`s invitation "to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”

The invitation was extended by the President at a Town Hall Meeting held in Arnold, Missouri today (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21870.html). Michael Patrick Leahy, a member of the National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, said " We want to broaden the scope to address the President`s runaway march to socialist-statism, and the rampant across the board irresponsible spending he is promoting with his $787 Billion Stimulus Plan and his $1 Trillion Annual Deficit, his takeover of General Motors, Chrysler and the Banks ."

Kellen Giuda, organizer of the New York City Tea party attended by 12,000 and of Parcbench (http://www.parcbench.com) said, “I think a constructive dialogue with the President would be a great opportunity for him to acknowledge that, yes, many Americans have a problem with the way Washington is handling our taxpayer dollars and also that we are concerned about health care and social security reform. I am happy he is open to a discussion. The Tea Parties are protesting against fiscal irresponsibility and any dialogue we can have will hopefully bring a better public understanding of our country`s finances. Health care and social security reform is a large concern to us."

The National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition includes 25 of the more than 900 local organizers of the April 15, 2009 Tax Day Tea Parties held across the country, which were attended by more than 1 million Americans. Members of the National Leadership Team includes Judson Phillips, organizer of the Nashville Tea Party attended by 10,000, James Dickey, organizer of the Dallas Tea Party, attended by 5,000, and JoAnn Abbot, organizer of the Washington, DC Tea Party attended by more than 3,000. The full list of the 25 members of the National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition can be found at http://www.nationwideteapartycoalition.com/about.php

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To: kristinn

Please do not meet with this Marxist leader. He will use this as some type of Photo-op to increase his poll numbers.

We are all very aware this man does not give a flying fig about working Americans. Because, first of all, he has never worked a day in his life, and second of all, how can someone who was not born in America or raised in America love America?

Think about it!


101 posted on 04/29/2009 2:36:23 PM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: Piranha
In my opinion, the movement is stronger as a disparate grassroots movement than it would be as a bureaucracy with centralized authority.

I agree. Besides, what doesn't Brrack understand about getting government off the backs of the people?! Oh, that's right, that's the opposite of his vision of Big Gov sticking it's nose in our business before birth. I think what Brrack means by "meeting" is really co-opting.

PLEASE DON'T COMMUNITY ORGANIZE US BRRACK, WE DON'T WANT THE ENTIRE WORLD TO BE CHICAGO.

102 posted on 04/29/2009 2:38:30 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: kristinn

kristinn, I respectfully disagree. Legitimacy would come from the millions of people, not from the organizations those individuals lead.

From almost everything I’ve heard, the Tea Parties do not put themselves under the leadership of any national organization. I know I don’t, and the folks I TP’ed with on April 15 didn’t either.

These ‘national leaders’ are presumptive and if they do go for a meeting with Obama, what the heck will they be doing, negotiating? Ha, that’s like grabbing a greased pig.


103 posted on 04/29/2009 2:38:50 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Bob J

If there are no skeletons, then skeletons can be made up
There is no accountability to the “press” for outright manufacturing stories. Look at what Sarah Palin and her family has suffered since being audacious aenough to challenge zerO and his goals

Not to mention the elitists in the so-called GOP

After zero’s legion has invited the lamestream media to feast on the TP “leaders”, there will be the jackal RINOs and “moderates” who circle the gore looking for a scrap of flesh or a bone that isn’t cracked open

DON’T GO TO ZERO. He will come to YOU


104 posted on 04/29/2009 2:39:53 PM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: Bob J
Forget Obama, Pelosi and Reid, the lib dominated media is the real enemy.

I know what you mean about 'skeletons in the closet'. That is why I keep a low profile in the groups I work with. As a child of the 60s, I have a graveyard in my closet.

The real enemy is the US House. That is where the power rests in our system.

Getting overly exercised about 0bama is a false flag. We need to focus on 2010 house races in every district.

That is why there MUST be some sort of loose, overall coordination of efforts, IMHO. Not a rigid group structure, but a coalition of like minded groups. We all want essentially the same thing; common sense in government, adherence to the Constitution, reduced spending, lower taxes, etc.

105 posted on 04/29/2009 2:43:37 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: kristinn
I attended a Tea Party and I don't remember electing these guys to speak for me.
106 posted on 04/29/2009 2:44:13 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Islander7
You cannot claim to represent a people who have not been asked by you (or those people on the list) to be their representative. This is amazingly presumptuous of these people, no matter how sincere their aims, to so present themselves.

No one elected them, no one was asked to do this. These people have taken a role for which they have no claim.

They will be shredded by the press and Obama's people and used to denigrate the whole tea-party movement.

How Dare They Do This???!!!!
107 posted on 04/29/2009 2:44:48 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Congress has too many politicians and Leftistlators and not enough Constitutionalists.)
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To: Sudetenland

You cannot claim to represent a people who have not been asked by you (or those people on the list) to be their representative. This is amazingly presumptuous of these people, no matter how sincere their aims, to so present themselves.

No one elected them, no one was asked to do this. These people have taken a role for which they have no claim.

They will be shredded by the press and Obama’s people and used to denigrate the whole tea-party movement.

How Dare They Do This???!!!!


Visit their website. They represent THEIR group as well as several others. They do not claim to represnt the entire movement.


108 posted on 04/29/2009 2:48:56 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: NellieMae; bert; MHGinTN; jaycee; Grammy; jazusamo; CrappieLuck

What’s your opinions on this?

I respect them all, want to hear them.


109 posted on 04/29/2009 3:17:12 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: Piranha

“Are they legitimately able to claim the mantle of leadership of the national tea party movement?”

I’d say “No.” It was/is grass-roots, with no tangible leadership. Sounds like they’re jumping on a successful bandwagon.


110 posted on 04/29/2009 3:21:00 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: All
Homily to the Tea Party "Leaders"!

Good Luck!

111 posted on 04/29/2009 3:43:36 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: kristinn

The act will ultimately be useless for the simple reason the election was lost. He won.

To the victor go the spoils. Attempting to negotiate is a worthless endeavor. The only thing to counter act is raw force or political power.

Making nice is ridiculous


112 posted on 04/29/2009 3:52:36 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: kristinn
RE: Obama's mocking the million-plus Americans who participated in the April 15 tea parties

Actual news item twenty years ago 1989:

Elderly Citizen-Protesters Angry At Congress

Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee Dan Rostenkowski (D. Illinois) was besieged by a crowd of 50 senior citizens in Chicago . . . the protesters -- shouting "coward," "recall" and "impeach" -- forced him to sprint through a gas station to his car. . .

The protesters were angry about a new Medicare law . . . The television images of Mr. Rostenkowski under assault struck fear in the hearts of Washington politicians.

"Politicians were traumatized by the Rostenkowski episode," said Henry J. Aaron, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. The law has been repealed.

[End 1989 news item]

Where's Janet Renolitano's DHS?

Same item today?

Elderly Terrorists Threaten Congress

The Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee was besieged by a crowd of 50 elderly suspected terrorists in Chicago . . . the terrorists -- shouting "coward," "recall" and "impeach" -- forced him to sprint through a gas station to his car. . .

The terrorists claimed to be angry about a new Medicare law . . . The television images of the assault was used to track down the terrorists. DHS officials say all 50 were arrested. "Most are Bible and gun huggers. Right wing crazies," said a DHS official.

"Politicians were outraged by the episode," said a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. The terrorists were taken to Gitmo Domestic Terrorist Correction Camp.

[End "news" item]

113 posted on 04/29/2009 3:54:12 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Hello Fellow Freepers!

I understand your reluctance to have any centralized organization speaking for you.

Let me tell you what I know about Michael Leahy. He is a servant-leader who has spent a lot of his own time volunteering to help coordinate fledgling tea party organizers around the country. He’s done nothing but help our movement by lending his organizational skills through weekly teleconferences open to anyone who wants to become part of this growing movement.

I have interviewed Leahy on my radio program a couple of times, along with Eric Odom of the Don’t Go movement and TaxDayTeaParty.com, and if I may suggest that before you jump to any conclusions about him or his intentions, you listen to the podcast.

Casting judgment without all the facts does no one any good. Your efforts as tea party leaders is commendable. You are under no pressure or obligation to join up with Leahy, but he and others are there to help if you think you need it. I’m just asking you to not be so quick to cast judgement, to keep your options open and to get the facts.

You can listen to Leahy here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/ASKShow/2009/04/25/Eric-Odom-Michael-P-Leahy

and here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/ASKShow/2009/03/05/The-Andrea-Shea-King-Show

and/or you can watch him explain his involvement by going to Pajamas TV where he hosts a tv show - TCOT on PJTV.

http://PJTV.com

He doesn’t presume to speak for you. He speaks for himself and those tea party planners who have sought him for advice and coordination with other tea party planners and have formed a coalition of sorts.

Remember, united we stand. In numbers there is strength. Many tea party planners see the value in banding together in an informal way. If you don’t, that’s cool. But don’t throw bricks at Leahy or others who are stepping up to the plate. After all, it’s what you planner/leaders did too.

Andrea


114 posted on 04/29/2009 4:01:54 PM PDT by patriotgal1787 ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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To: patriotgal1787

Is Pajamas TV the leadership of the TP’s?


115 posted on 04/29/2009 4:08:14 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: kristinn

“have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term”

Oh, this really burns me. He wants to frame the issue with his premise. Don’t fall into it. It is not the government’s responsibility to reduce health care costs at all. They need to get the heck out of health care. What he and the federal government ought to do is focus on increasing personal freedom and wealth, so that citizens have more capacity to pay for the world class health care that we do have. They are just stuck in the zero sum game mentatlity, and if that is your premise, then all you can hope for is redistributing wealth and rationing.


116 posted on 04/29/2009 4:22:59 PM PDT by mtrott
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To: girlangler

I would love to be a ‘fly-on-the-wall’ for this event, perhaps in the meeting room for thirty minutes before and thirty minutes after, and ahev access to the recording process which will be used to ‘document’ the event. There is no way I would trust the affiramtive action’s team of goons on any aspect of this meeting.


117 posted on 04/29/2009 4:28:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: kristinn

As far as i am concerned there is no national tea party movement. Sounds like a bunch of RINOs that are trying to steal the thunder of the people who came to those tea parties without any prompting.

Honest to God Tea Pary folks do not make deals with Obama.

This is a joke and it pisses me off.


118 posted on 04/29/2009 4:29:23 PM PDT by dforest
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To: kristinn

No one has been anointed leader of the tea parties. This couldn’t be a worse decision. This does a serious disservice to the intent of the tea parties. I’m deeply disappointed.


119 posted on 04/29/2009 4:30:56 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: rintense

BTTT


120 posted on 04/29/2009 4:32:01 PM PDT by dforest
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To: All

It’s true there were people who stepped up to organize and advertise the event around the country. They should receive thanks for those efforts. But by attending I’m aware of of no one who believed they were endorsing the coordinators of the events to be national representation to Washington.

It’s presumptuous in the extreme to claim to be the “Voice” of the protestors.

There was no election.

Maybe people mean well, maybe they don’t, I don’t care. All I know is that these people have only shown they can organize an event. They haven’t shown they, themselves, are akin to the NRA with an active membership that pays dues, organizes and receives their blessing to protect their best interests with an agreed upon message.

In short, they represent themselves. NOT me.


121 posted on 04/29/2009 4:41:19 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: kristinn

Surest way to ensure the rest of us won’t go to any event organized by these self-appointed student council leaders is to, well appoint themselves to the student council.

What a crap load. They don’t speak for me, and don’t have my support.


122 posted on 04/29/2009 4:43:18 PM PDT by Darwin Fish
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To: patriotgal1787
Let me tell you what I know about Michael Leahy. He is a servant-leader who has spent a lot of his own time volunteering to help coordinate fledgling tea party organizers around the country. He’s done nothing but help our movement by lending his organizational skills through weekly teleconferences open to anyone who wants to become part of this growing movement.

You're completely missing the point. The tea parties aren't about one person or a debate on one's qualifications to presume the mantle of tea party leader. Anyone anointing themselves under the pretense of representing all tea party goers couldn't be more of a misrepresentation. Keep in mind he mocked tea party goers the other day. He and anyone who actually believes speaking to a devout socialist intent on stealing the people's freedoms and destroying the Constitution is only weakening and fracturing the tea party movement. You are doing a disservice to the movement.

He doesn’t presume to speak for you. He speaks for himself and those tea party planners who have sought him for advice and coordination with other tea party planners and have formed a coalition of sorts.

The title of the organization gives at least the appearance he is speaking for all tea party supporters. The term coalition only contradicts your statement. I can't express enough my disappointment.
123 posted on 04/29/2009 4:48:50 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Darwin Fish

One important step in disorganizing a popular movement is to appear to ‘embrace the cause’. Next will come manipualtion of public perception, with media full cooperation. Axelrod is a master propagandist and uses asgtro-turfing to a very refined level.


124 posted on 04/29/2009 4:51:13 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: kristinn

The only reason Obama will meet with any tea party leader is to make them look like fools.

Frankly I am surprised at you, you more than any of us know how the Washington power game is played.

How many times have you been stroked and or ignored by the Washington elite?

They will be glad handed, get their pictures taken and told how things are going to be, then sent out to calm down their troops and nothing will come from this.

It will be the same politics as usual.


125 posted on 04/29/2009 4:52:58 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: patriotgal1787
So, you are telling us that you and those who have decided they will “step up to the plate”, trust Barack Hussein Obama?

This administration is setting up the people who are willing to “step up to the plate”. Most of all, this administration is vile, ruthless, and vicious. They play Chicago style politics to destroy anyone that gets in their way.

The tea parties are a thorn in Barack’s flesh, therefore, they have to find a way to use the media (who never admitted the Tea Parties were important) to destroy whomever decided to “step up to the plate”. They will see who these so-called leaders are and dig up any dirt in order to use the "Tea Party Leaders" as poster boys and girls for the "Right Wing Extremists". Are these self-professed leaders ready for the Marxist Brigade to paint them as part of the Right Wing Extremist List created by the Obamanites in the government? Having their names, their families, their friends, workers, etc., plastered all over the National News Media in a negative light?

Without any doubts, some people do not understand this Narcissistic Egomaniac and that no one will get in the way of the “CHANGE” he has for this country.

126 posted on 04/29/2009 5:03:33 PM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: girlangler

Hi girlangler! First, it makes me furious if this is true! I heard Obama talking about the Tea Party movement today. His motives would be that he just cannot ‘believe’ that anyone would disagree with him! This is the attitude of a dictator!
I hope this is a fluke and not the truth and they won’t meet with Obama! All the MSM has done is make fun of those who participated in the Tea Party Movement and Repulicans. Thats why Obama and his team hates Fox, because he has everyone on his side except Fox!


127 posted on 04/29/2009 6:08:29 PM PDT by jaycee
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To: girlangler; kristinn

I don’t think you can classify these folks (well meaning though they may be) as “THE leaders” of the movement. They may be the organizers of different tea parties, and they may all have the same ideals we all have, but the movement itself is more grass roots than this would indicate.

On top of that, Obama really has no intention of taking anything said by them to heart. He wants to label someone as the “LEADER” so he can then have someone to marginalize. It is the same thing he tried to do with Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and Joe the Plumber. He tried to marginalize Hannity during the campaign (hence the opening of Hannity’s radio show) by mocking him, and he tried to portray Rush as the leader of the GOP and made sure all his minions hammered the “want him to fail” statement. Joe the plumber they tried to get with “unpaid fees and child support” etc. in order to make him look like some kind of failure. It is the same tactic the Clintons used to combat “bimbo eruptions”. It is the old nuts or sluts angle.

If he could blow up some statement (a polite “we agreed that the sky is blue” then edited to “we agreed”, or some other statement like “I want him to fail” that they could take out of context and have the media run with, then ***ALL*** the tea parties look like a bunch of losers or loons. As it stands right now, he is *trying* to mock us by waving around a tea bag, but it is just scatter shot, since there is no one for the media to focus on and go to for a statement, and therefore ineffective.

By the way, I heard someone on Hannity today say that they are putting tea boxes on their dashboards to let everyone know where they stand. I think I will do the same.


128 posted on 04/29/2009 7:35:00 PM PDT by Grammy
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To: kristinn
So now Ubama is a fan of tea-baggers, eh?

Well, I guess we kinda knew that all along.

129 posted on 04/29/2009 7:36:27 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; kristinn; All

EXCELLENT POINTS, SS!

If I had been well enough physically to attend it would NOT have been “all about taxes, healthcare, and Social Security”... I’ve got a list about a mile long of all the reasons I would’ve attended.

I don’t blame these organizers for wanting to “step up” and meet him face to face, although to go there and say they speak for anyone but THEMSELVES, and the people they PERSONALLY got to go to the tea parties IS presumptuous.

The ONLY reason these tea parties were so successful is because there was a HUGE INFORMAL GRASSROOTS coalition of a great many groups, and INDEPENDENT CITIZENS that attended...

To be perfectly frank (and I don’t know who these organizers are more than their names), I worked in the LP for a few years about 10 years ago. These particular tea parties are nothing new in one regard: Tax Day Protests organized by those in the LP have been going on yearly for at LEAST 10 years now — many of the signs and slogans present at these rallies looked VERY familiar to me. And, as someone who organized rallies and protests in Denver back in the early part of this decade I can tell you RIGHT NOW - the ONLY reasons these tax day protests were SO successful was because of the wide range of people and issues, as well as OTHER groups, organizations, websites (like FR), etc... etc... spreading the word and coming together as “ONE VOICE”.

And, of course, we DID have a rallying point — OBAMA HIMSELF and Congress’ actions over the last 3 months who at this moment are the “face” of the problem in Washington, a problem that has existed on BOTH sides of the aisle for a great many years now...

Current LP’ers please don’t take offense to the above. I’m merely stating facts — you and I both know how hard it is to get people off their duffs to protest something (and I don’t think that has changed much in the last decade has it?)

I am not trying to denigrate these protests AT ALL - Neither am I trying to imply these organizers in the press releases are Libertarians or libertarians, or that there is anything wrong with that if they are.

I’m just trying to help by sharing some of what my experiences have taught me re: protests, politicians, steering the debate in a campaign, etc... [I DO notice they are using a good tactic in agreeing that those issues are important to them as well, I just hope they know the rest of the “formula” to that kind of debate, and I hope those 3 things aren’t the ONLY thing they are going to address. And, I also have my doubts that this form of persuasion is going to work on Obama — no doubt he’s heard it all, and may even KNOW this stuff “better”.] BTW: Soc. Sec., Taxes, and Healthcare Costs were the “top 3” issues that we raised during LP campaigns years back. Not that others AREN’T worried about these things, but it is my feeling that Obama is trying to paint the supporters of these parties as “fringe”, and only concerned about certain issues, completely MISSING the BACKBONE of our protests — the CONSTITUTION ITSELF.

If these organizers allow Pres_ent Obama to define the issue, just like the media tried to do: “Taxes, Healthcare, SS” you will have ALREADY LOST, and Obama is NOT an idiot politically (even if we wish he was). Frankly, these people just LET Obama “define the issues”, they CONFIRMED to him and the public that these protests were “all about money”.

I don’t know how to say this more clearly — THIS IS AN AMBUSH, and the ‘enemy’ is bringing you onto HIS HQ under the banner of a white flag, but he is NOT being honest about his intents (anyone who thinks he is, is IMHO naive). Obama and his propaganda masters are MASTERS at double-speak, and spin. If you go in there with the mindset that he is actually going to listen to you — well, I hate to say this, but you’re going to be sorely, sorely mistaken. And if you’re trusting the media to present YOUR side of this TRUTHFULLY — well, you all should already know better than that simply from the coverage of these tea parties we saw just 2 weeks ago.

Again, I don’t know who these particular protest organizers are, or their background, but I see some mistakes (IMO) being made in how they are addressing this back to him. Not that they SHOULDN’T have continued the dialogue, but they DEFINITELY Shouldn’t have let him define the issues... Anyone who has worked on any type of political campaign knows that an opponent defining the issues is a death knell for your campaign...

And, in conclusion... LOL I hope and pray that I am WRONG in what I’ve spoken about above, and I will pray for these organizers that they are successful in getting Obama to open his eyes. As I said before though — I don’t think this is a “battle” we can win IN THIS WAY (by meeting him on his terms). I pray I’m wrong...

[Personal note: I know I could have done a better job explaining the above, and I apologize if anyone takes offense, or if I didn’t explain anything clearly. I am “open to a dialogue” if I’m seeing something incorrectly here, and unlike Obama, I really do mean that! LOL]


130 posted on 04/29/2009 7:54:23 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks
While the St. Augustine rally was in the formative stages, someone mentioned the importance of not becoming associated with "fringe groups". I raised cain about that, right off the bat! There are people who would love to claim the grassroots movement for their own favorite issues.

Back during the Ruby Ridge/Waco atrocities the NRA released a statement advising members not to associate with "fringe elements". They got called on that blunder, really quick.

The more decent law abiding American citizens we can muster, the better. Decent and law abiding should be the only criteria.

131 posted on 04/29/2009 8:15:29 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: usmcobra; Paige; MHGinTN; savedbygrace; silverleaf; cripplecreek; timestax; US Navy Vet; ...

Pinging a few contributors on this thread to my post at #130.

Just my take on all of this... And, as I said, I know NOTHING about these people personally, their backgrounds, affiliations, etc...


132 posted on 04/29/2009 8:19:28 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I definitely agree. We NEED all ‘groups’ to come together. As I said, maybe I could have or should have taken more time to put together my thoughts. I’m not suggesting that various groups DON’T come together, or that we should be afraid of “associating” with different groups, or people, just that we could be heading into “dangerous” territory if we don’t know who the people are that are claiming leadership of this movement...

If we remember ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL - and keep the GRASSROOTS portion of this going - we should be fine. As soon as someone “steps up” and grabs that mike claiming to speak for all of us, well... I’m just VERY wary of things like that.

I mentioned the LP in my post — I have NO PROBLEM with the Libertarian Party, nor any of its members. I am a “small-l” libertarian in philosophy myself! And, yeah, I’ve been called “fringe” MYSELF at times! ;)

To paraphrase an overused Star Wars quote, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this”.


133 posted on 04/29/2009 8:25:08 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: usmcobra

Exactly. After their inconsequential meeting with Obama, he will have free rein to spin it or ignore it however he wants. What a joke.

Furthermore, by taking up his offer to have a “serious” discussion, they accept his insulting premise that the tea parties themselves were UNserious.

And on top of that, just one sentence before inviting discussion, Obama mocked the tea partiers complete with physical gestures. How can they let that stand? If a president stoops to mocking the people, it should be used against him. But as it is, they have passively validated it.

I tell you, the guileless, sheeps-to-the-slaughter naivite of our so-called leaders is getting tiresome. There’s a Bible verse that says something like “Be crafty as serpents and innocent as doves.” We need to get better at the first part.


134 posted on 04/29/2009 8:26:44 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: girlangler

I believe that having a so-called Tea Party organization kind of defeats the purpose of the whole tea party thing. Obama knows what we are saying without meeting with any so-called representatives. He does not care about us and what we think and those people that believe that he can be reasoned with are about as naive as Obama is when he thinks that he can negotiate with terrorists. I say keep up the tea party momentum and let him know that we’ve got his number and are not going to allow him and his ilk to destroy our great country.


135 posted on 04/29/2009 8:44:55 PM PDT by NellieMae (Here...... common sense,common sense,common sense,where'd ya go... common sense......)
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To: Yardstick

When a president of the United States mocks Americans, he does not serve the nation, he serves his own interests.

I cannot remember in my lifetime any president that so arrogantly and openly mocked Americans citizens for their views and protests, even Nixon never directly attack antiwar protesters in such a way.

The tea party leadership should meet with the president on their terms, meaning when Washington is full of tea parties, enough to scare the bejeebus out of Congress, when around the nation millions of Americans demand that Obama abandon his plans to bankrupt this nation into self destruction.

Anything else is playing into their hands and by the rules they set forth, we need to shake things up, we need to rule the street and we need to use the same tactics they have used to destroy this country. We outnumber hard core liberals easily 5 to 1 maybe even 10 or 20 to 1 and unless we can show those sort of numbers nothing will change....


136 posted on 04/29/2009 9:08:27 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: LibertyRocks
There are two things that stand out in all of this:

1. The media barely covered or made fun of the tea party
participants.

2. When asked about the Tea Parties, which took place on
April 15th, Barack Hussein Obama stated he did not know
anything about any “Tea Parties”.

Now let's assume Barack did not know about the Tea Parties, exactly what would he have to offer anyone if he did not know anything about them?

This is a guise, a trap, from one Patriot to another, don't get sucked into this photo-op setup. For the good of this country, the personal well-being of those who are taking a stand, and for the grassroots movement itself, don't get pulled into madness.

137 posted on 04/30/2009 2:25:43 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: Mr Rogers

Obama is the one who is not legitimate


138 posted on 04/30/2009 2:52:32 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: Piranha

So much for the Grassroots leaderless movement.


139 posted on 04/30/2009 5:32:21 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: LibertyRocks
I'd say you did the perfect job when you stated this: "I don’t know how to say this more clearly — THIS IS AN AMBUSH, and the ‘enemy’ is bringing you onto HIS HQ under the banner of a white flag, but he is NOT being honest about his intents." Axelrod will skin these 'organizers' and use their hides for his astroturfing.
140 posted on 04/30/2009 6:36:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: kristinn
Sounds like a Lib/Zero ploy.

Create some National Organizers, bring them to the White House, these "faces" have a Come-To-Obama Moment and they walk out, all stupified after drinking Zero's Kool-Aid, and sing the praises of his Oneness...

Pure BS!!!
141 posted on 04/30/2009 6:48:21 AM PDT by The Louiswu (I live vicariously, through myself.)
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To: MHGinTN

Exactly. Axelrod, and Gibbels (Gibbs), and Rahm will eat these people for lunch, and in the process destroy the entire movement... (Does anyone know if Bob aka Thomas Paine on YouTube ever went to meet Obama? I know Obama offered, and there was a thread here warning him not to go... Just curious what happened with that)

Now, if we want to “get” Obama - as in expose him - we will somehow have to define the issue, make it “simple” but strong like “he is subverting the Constitution with all of his policies”, and then put HIM on the defensive. Make him explain HOW these new policies and laws AREN’T Unconstitutional, or what in the Constitution gives him the right to do some of the things he’s already done (like take over the management of GM)... His answers to those questions — just like when Joe the Plumber asked about redistribution of wealth — would be worth their weight in Gold, IMHO.

Don’t ask me exactly how we get him to come to US though. We’re playing with the “big boys” here, and it won’t be easy, that’s for sure...

And, thank you for pulling out that part of my post... I knew what I was trying to say, but I had so many things I wanted to express that it was hard to get it all out coherently! LOL


142 posted on 04/30/2009 6:50:24 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: VanDeKoik
It’s the very reason why Glenn Beck refused to be the head of this movement, because it would be so easy to destroy the whole thing by making a few, easy to isolate, person the image for the whole thing.

I believe that's why Rush didn't get involved with his local party. Better to have it be what it was, a true grassroots effort. No need to give it a single figurehead that could be attacked.

143 posted on 04/30/2009 6:50:47 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: LibertyRocks

Good posts, all.

These protests were about much more than taxes. And our local one was organized by the college Republicans. You might not like that...but SOMEONE had to say where and when.

Our congressman is Phil Hare and it was outside his office. His soon to be opponent has commented on Hare’s statements after the teaparty.

http://www.bobby2010.com/blog/?p=17


The opposition and the media are the ones that tried to make this about one issue. Taxes. It was about much more.

They have to be concerned.

As I said, I’ve no problem with someone meeting with Obama as long as it is videotaped and disseminated for access to all tea-partiers. And it is made clear that there is no central organization for the tea parties.

It would be more interesting than watching a press conference with a bunch of softball questions.


144 posted on 04/30/2009 11:12:14 AM PDT by Winstons Julia
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To: kristinn

Here is an email I just sent to one of our fellow Freepers:

As you know, I was an organizer of the LA tea parties in Los Angeles on Feb. 27th and April 15th, and am an organizer of the July 4th tea party in LA. I was contacted by Michael Leahy of TCOT who asked if I was interested in having my name on a letter challenging Obama to meet with us. I said sure. Why not?

The fact is that there will be no meeting, and there never was going to be a meeting.

We knew that Obama wouldn’t meet with us when we sent the letter. The purpose was to show that he is a liar and that when he said he wished the tea party people would meet with him and come up with ideas on how to solve the health care problems and social security problems, he was bluffing. We decided to call his bluff.

Now we have his recorded statement that he wished we would contact him. We accepted his invitation in writing. He will not respond and we can use that in the future.

No one on the list claims that we are speaking for any tea party organizers other than ourselves. We came up with a name for a coalition so that the press would feel that there was a legitimate organization requesting to meet with Obama, at his suggestion. No one in this group is trying to usurp the leadership of the tea party movement, which is truly a grass-roots movement. There is no national leadership group.

Tell everyone not to get their pants in an uproar, we knew nothing would come of it, and we didn’t mean to frighten or offend any of our fellow tea party organizers. This was solely a press play to call his bluff.

By the way, as you know, I am a member of Free Republic, and few people are more conservative than me. That is in response to the people who said that we were all RINOs.


145 posted on 05/04/2009 11:26:27 AM PDT by Tom Jefferson (Waiting for Islam to reform itself is tantamount to accepting defeat)
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To: kristinn; Jim Robinson; trooprally; The Mayor; Baynative; Brad's Gramma; gubamyster; ...
STRATEGERY PING to every American: every Conservative voter is a Tea Party Movement Leader... repeated from Post 145.



As you know, I was an organizer of the LA tea parties in Los Angeles on Feb. 27th and April 15th, and am an organizer of the July 4th tea party in LA. I was contacted by Michael Leahy of TCOT who asked if I was interested in having my name on a letter challenging Obama to meet with us. I said sure. Why not?

The fact is that there will be no meeting, and there never was going to be a meeting.

We knew that Obama wouldn’t meet with us when we sent the letter. The purpose was to show that he is a liar and that when he said he wished the tea party people would meet with him and come up with ideas on how to solve the health care problems and social security problems, he was bluffing. We decided to call his bluff.

Now we have his recorded statement that he wished we would contact him. We accepted his invitation in writing. He will not respond and we can use that in the future.

No one on the list claims that we are speaking for any tea party organizers other than ourselves. We came up with a name for a coalition so that the press would feel that there was a legitimate organization requesting to meet with Obama, at his suggestion. No one in this group is trying to usurp the leadership of the tea party movement, which is truly a grass-roots movement. There is no national leadership group.

Tell everyone not to get their pants in an uproar, we knew nothing would come of it, and we didn’t mean to frighten or offend any of our fellow tea party organizers. This was solely a press play to call his bluff.

By the way, as you know, I am a member of Free Republic, and few people are more conservative than me. That is in response to the people who said that we were all RINOs.



This is the Sovereignty USA ping list.

This is a low-volume list reserved for urgent/important pings.

On/off the list--FREEPmail me privately.


146 posted on 05/04/2009 8:11:48 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Michael Patrick Leahy is working to convene a constitutional convention. He was asked to leave the grassroots Tea Party movement, and has started another group.

Leahy has stated on his blog that he wants a CONCON.

You need to be open about this, I don't think many Freepers will support the CONCON idea. It is deadly dangerous to our Nation.

147 posted on 05/04/2009 8:18:46 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the PING...


148 posted on 05/04/2009 8:19:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the PING...


149 posted on 05/04/2009 8:20:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; kristinn; Jim Robinson

imho,

The ONLY reason OThuga would meet with such Patriots would be

to collect information

with which to hurt them as individuals and as a movement.

That’s the ONLY reason I can imagine that he’d bother.

He doesn’t give a flip about public opinion on the matter.

He’s Jr God, in his view. He couldn’t be bothered to “stoop” to those he’s not tall enough to lick the bottoms of their shoes.


150 posted on 05/04/2009 8:20:58 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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