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New Wrinkle On Avoiding Jury Duty
The Smoking Gun ^ | 04/30/09 | Staff

Posted on 04/30/2009 9:54:52 AM PDT by DFG

There are probably better ways to avoid jury duty than the approach recently taken by a Montana man. After Erik Slye, 36, received a jury notice earlier this year, he filed a notarized affidavit seeking to be excused from serving on a District Court panel in Gallatin County. Slye's caustic affidavit, which he prepared with help from his wife Jennifer, can be found below.

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To: jim_trent

They obviously don’t want me on a jury because over the many years that I have been called (many times) I always show up. I have only been selected once.

I would love to serve on the jury!


51 posted on 04/30/2009 10:44:52 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: DFG
Though it’s funny ... it’s misguided IMO. Jury nullification may be one of our last weapons against the tyranny of the government

I always show up for jury duty when summoned. And when it is time to fill out the form, I always write something like: "I am a strong believer in the doctrine of jury nullification, and will not hesitate to educate my fellow jurors on their responsibilities regarding same."

I've been called many times, but have never actually been selected to serve on one.

52 posted on 04/30/2009 10:46:44 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: null and void
Or would be if only they were higher.

0 and his accomplices in the Kongress are taking care of that right now.

53 posted on 04/30/2009 10:47:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: anniegetyourgun

I wore my “Read my Lipstick” button prominently when I was waiting in the jury pool last September; I wasn’t picked, either!


54 posted on 04/30/2009 10:49:14 AM PDT by 6323cd (Loyal Opposition My Ass)
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To: from occupied ga

Aye, arrrrrrrr, matey...


55 posted on 04/30/2009 10:50:36 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 101 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: StandUpChuck
Sure ya could....sorta


56 posted on 04/30/2009 10:50:57 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Impeach now!)
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To: Gorzaloon

Think about it though, isn’t that why we had the O.J. verdict? Competent people didn’t get seated on the jury, and look what we got. It’s important that FReepers participate as much as possible, to avoid this very thing.


57 posted on 04/30/2009 10:51:03 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Nat Turner

Unless you have rewritten the constitution, all people have a right to go to court.


58 posted on 04/30/2009 10:51:44 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: monocle

“ I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution. ”

—Thomas Jefferson, 1789 letter to Thomas Paine
“ The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy. ”

—John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States


59 posted on 04/30/2009 10:52:17 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: org.whodat; clamper1797

Jury nullification? That’s when the jury shows its moxie and tells the judge the law is wrong, and not the accused?


60 posted on 04/30/2009 10:54:57 AM PDT by flowerplough (The Obama Doctrine: Europe Good, America Bad.)
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To: mnehring
I know judges who would seat him to teach him a lesson.

Which would prove this man's point that the justice system is "crap."

61 posted on 04/30/2009 10:55:09 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: jim_trent

Hamilton County, Indiana to me as a juror last year and I am registered. Maybe it is just you area


62 posted on 04/30/2009 10:55:24 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: DFG

I think this guy’s an idiot, and has an idiot for a wife/lawyer. The judge would have been well within his rights to fine and possiblly jail the guy for contempt for using language like that.


63 posted on 04/30/2009 10:55:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

The last time I went in for jury duty, the defendant was accused of murdering his drug dealer in a deal gone bad. The defense attorney asked, row by row, “If someone is found guilty of murder, would you be unable to consider probation?” The first row, not a hand went up. The second row, not a hand went up except mine. Instantly. The sheep were all looking around, and suddenly people in both rows said, “Oh, I couldn’t consider it!” and raised theirs.

I was, as you might imagine, cut. If it was self-defense or an accident that would somehow warrant probation, I would not be ruling to convict! If someone is guilty of murder, then no. There is a price to pay beyond talking to your probation officer every month.

There was a flaming gay guy in the pool who made it completely obvious he was trying to be cut. He kept repeating, “My conception of God as a spiritual deity will not allow me to sit in judgment of my fellow man. My conception of God as a spiritual deity will not allow me to sit in judgment of my fellow man.” He then stood up and said, “I’m going to the bathroom now.” The judge said, “Sir, we will have a break in ten minutes. I need you to wait, because if you leave, I have to dismiss everybody.” “Well, do what you have to, but I’m going to the bathroom!” He didn’t return from the break.

The next time I got a jury notice, there was an article in the paper featuring quotes from several judges saying, “80% of those summoned don’t even bother to show up. There’s no penalty. We don’t have the manpower to enforce it. We’re thinking of giving out free coffee and having a free internet cafe to encourage people to show up.” I’m thinking that article was a good way to get closer to 90%.


64 posted on 04/30/2009 10:59:33 AM PDT by Rastus (Jedi mind tricks would work on Obama.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Think about it though, isn’t that why we had the O.J. verdict? Competent people didn’t get seated on the jury, and look what we got. It’s important that FReepers participate as much as possible, to avoid this very thing.

I do, and found it interesting, and have described the experience on here in the past. Some of it was quite funny.

We had a case in Superior Court involving a street thug drug dealer. The County goes to extremes to make sure the jurors come from as far away as possible, so many had very long travels and were quite angry. The thug tried giving the jury Attitude Looks to intimidate them.

Very carefully, a little blued-haired old lady who doubtless resented the long bus ride caught his eye and very discretely drew her finger across her throat.

He decided to plead Guilty and we all went home that day.

But as in the OJ case, the Defense struggles in the selection process to make certain idiots and trash are on the jury. I think it's called "Peremtory Challenge".

65 posted on 04/30/2009 11:00:08 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It’s important that FReepers participate as much as possible, to avoid this very thing.

Exactly. I would love to serve on a jury, but I would have to lie during voir dire, even if only by omission, in order to get seated.

66 posted on 04/30/2009 11:00:37 AM PDT by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: ozzymandus

Luckily, I have only been called for jury duty once. In spite of being a witness for the state in an attempted murder trial and being asked about it three times ... I had to wait all day for the judge to dismiss me.

It was a case involving two young thugs fighting with the police - apparently.(they were very hush-hush about details of the case) Their lawyer asked a very interesting old guy if he could find her clients innocent if she proved it beyond any reasonable doubt. He pointed at the two thugs slouching in their chairs, laughing and smiling, and answered “No. They wouldn’t be sitting there if they were totally innocent!”

He was dismissed instantly. The two thugs snapped to attention and everyone had a good laugh. It wasn’t worth ten bucks though.


67 posted on 04/30/2009 11:01:13 AM PDT by open mind-closed fist
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To: jim_trent

I agree with you brother...I just got kick off a murder trial jury after they spent 30 minutes questioning me on how I determine facts...(I do R&D Failure Analysis on military systems)

They didn’t want someone who would objectively determine truth...they wanted someone who would accept subjective opinion as fact.

I went into this event thinking to myself “I’m going to do this to the letter and spirit of the law” I did...and I got kicked the hell out!


68 posted on 04/30/2009 11:01:48 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Gorzaloon

Yes, I realize the defense played hardball and eliminated as many people with functioning brains as they could. The prosecutors didn’t do us any favors either. This case was really screwed up.


69 posted on 04/30/2009 11:14:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Gorzaloon

BTW, your granny story was great. Love it.

If the crook had any brains, he could have told the court what he saw, and the juror would have been removed. The signal of a predetermined verdict, would be cause for removal IMO. It could also be cause for court action if the judge were vindictive. The juror promised to keep an open mind and make a determination based on the evidence.

I like what she did, so don’t think this is a slam at her. It showed spunk and the guy got just what he deserved for the implied threat transmitted through his glare.


70 posted on 04/30/2009 11:16:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: gieriscm

LOL


71 posted on 04/30/2009 11:17:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: gieriscm

I’m tough on criminals, but I think I could weigh the evidence and give a fair verdict.


72 posted on 04/30/2009 11:17:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: monocle
monocle said: "Can you provide a citation of a single founding father embracing jury nullification?"

Would you vote to convict someone of violating an unConsitutional law? Why do you need a Founder to tell you that Congress and the President can easily overstep their authority and that you may be the only one to prevent an injustice because of it?

73 posted on 04/30/2009 11:22:10 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: DoughtyOne

Defense attorneys don’t want people who can weigh the evidence; they want people swayed by emotion. I have a background as an engineer in addition to being an FFL, so no jury duty for me.


74 posted on 04/30/2009 11:24:22 AM PDT by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: gieriscm
Defense attorneys don’t want people who can weigh the evidence; they want people swayed by emotion

They shouldn't have to look very hard, 70 million voted for Zero.

75 posted on 04/30/2009 11:25:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: jim_trent

Of course they don’t want engineers. They want people who watch daytime TV.


76 posted on 04/30/2009 11:27:27 AM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: DFG

I’d like to be on a jury. If charged, I’d like someone intelligent, informed, freedom-loving and inquisitive on my jury. Only serves right to return the favor, if preemptively.

Funny thing is, whenever I’ve been called it has been immediately after moving out of the county in question.


77 posted on 04/30/2009 11:29:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I always comply with jury duty....then I sit in the pool room with my bible, Rush Limbaugh book, or some other appropriate reading material in plain sight. For some reason, I’m never selected.

You too? I like to get a book by Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Rush or any other conseravtive writer. So far, that has me batting 100% for getting the boot after the first round.

78 posted on 04/30/2009 11:29:55 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: from occupied ga

So you don’t believe in the jury system!


79 posted on 04/30/2009 11:40:25 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Minutemen

So you don’t believe in the jury system!


80 posted on 04/30/2009 11:40:50 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ontap
So you don’t believe in the jury system!

Where did I say that?

81 posted on 04/30/2009 11:42:59 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: gieriscm

Dang it... ;-)


82 posted on 04/30/2009 11:44:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: William Tell

On most mornings I watch the call-in program on C-Span and I shake my head that some of those callers vote and serve on juries. I trust you feel exceptionally comfortable having such people interpreting the constitution and highly complex statutes. I find it amusing that the same people who howl about judges making laws and are so comfortable with jury nullification.


83 posted on 04/30/2009 11:47:54 AM PDT by monocle
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

WR ping


84 posted on 04/30/2009 11:49:26 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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To: from occupied ga
I bet you're proud to pay your taxes too.

Oh I don't know. If you do then obviously some one has to serve on juries. People who serve don't have to like it they do it because they realize some one has to. I would not say I'm proud to pay my taxes I try to avoid all that I legally can but I do pay them. I don't go out of my way to get on a jury but if I do I serve. Some one has to do both these things.

85 posted on 04/30/2009 11:53:43 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ontap
I fail to see the humor in it.

You must be a lot of fun to go out counting dog's balls wrinkles with.

86 posted on 04/30/2009 11:58:55 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: monocle
monocle said: "I find it amusing that the same people who howl about judges making laws and are so comfortable with jury nullification."

I am among those who would NEVER convict somebody of violating an unConstitutional law infringing the right to keep and bear arms.

The system we have is certainly broken and has been for quite some time. But it will not be made better by having jurors willing to follow Congress, the President, or the trial court judge instead of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You didn't answer my question: Would you vote to convict someone of violating an unConsitutional law?

87 posted on 04/30/2009 11:58:57 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Nonstatist
A secretary some where had to read what this idiot wrote. Would you have liked for that to be your wife or mother? Crudeness is crudeness whether some find humor in it or not. Don't get me wrong I'm not a prude but the use of the foul language wasn't necessary he could have made his point without it.
88 posted on 04/30/2009 11:59:10 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ontap
My problem with juries is the uncompensated involuntary servitude associated with them. Judges get from $140,000 a year and up. Prosecutors are well paid by the taxpayers, but jurists are forced under threat of imprisonment to work for $30 a day. If you
  1. paid juries the same daily rate that the judge received, and
  2. let jury members set the schedules of what day(s) they wanted to work just like any other member of the justice system
I'd have a lot fewer problems with the system. As it is jury members are treated more like criminals than other participants in the justice system.
89 posted on 04/30/2009 12:05:18 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: DoughtyOne
You got to fill out the profile paperwork. Defense lawyers don't want white men who are not in a union, not going to school and work in the private sector on juries. I have been on jury duty over a dozen times and never once got picked. If they found out you were a conservative they will immediately dismiss you.
90 posted on 04/30/2009 12:09:25 PM PDT by dancusa (The word "racist" is a magic shield word that's supposed to stop any dissent.)
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To: org.whodat

Folks, as conservatives we need to perform our jury duty.

What if the accused concerns a second amendment issue?

What if the subject is an effort to take a persons home to give it to a developer?

What if the case is about an acorn worker registering fake voters?

Jury duty is where the law and the citizenship of “we the people” reach nexus.

The final decision is not left to lawyers or judges. It is left to the citizens. The only way around that is for the parties to select to settle or select a judge trial.

I am simplifying.

However, jury duty is just as valuable as voting. (well voting outside of chicago)


91 posted on 04/30/2009 12:16:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ontap
A secretary some where had to read what this idiot wrote. Would you have liked for that to be your wife or mother? Crudeness is crudeness whether some find humor in it or not. Don't get me wrong I'm not a prude but the use of the foul language wasn't necessary he could have made his point without it.

What the man wrote was no cruder than what you hear on prime time commercial TV every night.

92 posted on 04/30/2009 12:16:48 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: HIDEK6

Forget it!


93 posted on 04/30/2009 12:23:51 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: monocle

John Jay
The Jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy.” John Jay , 1st Chief Justice USSC 1789 “The jury has the right to determine both the law and the facts.” . Samuel Chase, USSC, 1796 “The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both law and fact.” Oliver Wendell Holmes, USSC 1902 “The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided.” Harlan F. Stone, USSC 1941 “The pages of history shine on instances of the jury’s exercise of it’s prerogative to disregard instructions of the judge.” . US v. Dougherty, 473 F 2nd 1113, 1139, (1972)

Thomas Jefferson
“It is left, therefore, to the juries, if they think the permanent judges are under any bias whatever in any cause, to take on themselves to judge the law as well as the fact. They never exercise this power but when they suspect partiality in the judges, and by the exercise of this power they have been the firmest bulwarks of English liberty.”


94 posted on 04/30/2009 12:23:54 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: from occupied ga

You do realize we have to pay that!


95 posted on 04/30/2009 12:25:13 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: dancusa

not true.

I have picked and been on juries. Each case is different.

You just never know what the lawyers are looking for OR if their “freebie” challenges will be used up before they get to you. The prosecutor may want a white male (despite race not being allowed) and the defense attorney may have used up their preemptions.

In a civil case, one lawyer may want someone who owned his own business or somebody who would be sympathetic to a charge of reverse racism.


96 posted on 04/30/2009 12:34:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ontap
Don't get me wrong I'm not a prude

Ummmmmmm. You sure sound like one. It may have been crude, but I don't think most people are going to want to be hauled down to court, so I dont think this kind of thing will become a trend, if thats what youre worrying about.

97 posted on 04/30/2009 1:52:05 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: anniegetyourgun
I sincerely hope that you are not deliberately trying to get out of actually serving on a jury.

Should I ever be in need of a jury, I would prefer that it not be composed of libtards.

Accordingly I do nothing, when summoned, to dissuade lawyers from seating me on the panel.

I've been summoned twice and served twice. I'd gladly do it again.

98 posted on 04/30/2009 1:55:25 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’ve been called at least 6x in life - always served...never seated. The attorneys typically prefer the less educated and experienced.


99 posted on 04/30/2009 2:06:40 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: from occupied ga

1) I agree with you that juries are grotesquely underpaid.

2) When I had a severe schedule conflict with a jury summons, I had no trouble at all getting it delayed; the bureaucrat was quite cooperative in finding an alternative date that fit my schedule. I’ll note that I was polite and prompt in addressing the matter. Common decency goes a long way in preventing pointless conflict.


100 posted on 04/30/2009 2:09:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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