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General David Petraeus: we have two weeks to save Pakistan from Taliban
Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | May 1, 2009 | Isambard Wilkinson

Posted on 05/01/2009 5:29:43 AM PDT by Schnucki

General David Petraeus, the commander of US Central Command, has reportedly told American officials that the next two weeks are critical to determining whether the Pakistani government will survive.

Gen Petraeus reportedly said that "we've heard it all before" from the Pakistanis and he is looking to see concrete action by the government to destroy the Taliban in the next two weeks before determining the next course of action for the US.

"The Pakistanis have run out of excuses" and are "finally getting serious" about combating the threat from Taliban and al-Qaeda extremists operating out of north-west Pakistan, the general added.

He made these assessments in talks with US congressmen and members of the Senate, according to the Fox News channel.

Officials said that Gen Petraeus and senior officials in the Obama administration believe that the Pakistani army, led by Gen Ashfaq Kayani, is "superior" to the civilian government.

American officials have watched with anxiety as Taliban fighters advanced earlier this month to within 60 miles of the capital city, Islamabad. In recent days, the Pakistani army has sought to reverse that tide, retaking control of strategic points in the district of Buner even as the Taliban struck back by kidnapping scores of police and paramilitary troops.

However, the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said last Saturday that It would be "unthinkable" that the Pakistani government of President Asif Ali Zardari would be toppled by the Taliban, adding: "Then they would have the keys to the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan, and we can't even contemplate that. We cannot let this go on any further."

The anxiety with which US officials are monitoring events in Pakistan is compounded by a battle in Washington over how best to help the Pakistanis. Some members of Congress want to attach strict conditions

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: globaljihad; gwot; jihad; pakistan; petraeus; taleban; taliban; wot
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1 posted on 05/01/2009 5:29:44 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

ZERO will get right on it. Didn’t he say he would bomb Pakistan, or something, or other. Duhhh.

ZERO, there is a reason it’s called zero.

Now we have a return address for the nukes to Iran if Israel bombs their reactor.


2 posted on 05/01/2009 5:32:57 AM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, your surrender your rights.)
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To: Schnucki

Pakistan is reminding me more and more of Iran of 1979.....


3 posted on 05/01/2009 5:33:23 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Pakistan has the Bomb. They can hold an entire world hostage, not just an embassy staff.


4 posted on 05/01/2009 5:37:48 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Schnucki
The sky is falling, the sky is falling......

Ohhhhh another crisis that we need to throw billions of dollars at.

5 posted on 05/01/2009 5:38:40 AM PDT by Joiseydude (Kate Smith - God Bless America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCavKL2zdjM GREAT visual interpretatio)
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To: Schnucki

Good God!!

Time to get out of New York, DC, LA, and other big cities ASAP!


6 posted on 05/01/2009 5:39:25 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Schnucki
General David Petraeus: we have two weeks to save Pakistan from Taliban

I heard a couple of diplomats discussing this basically saying “oh that could never happen”. I think I'll go with Gen. Petraeus’s assessment of the situation.

Hillary Clinton, said last Saturday that It would be “unthinkable” that the Pakistani government ...would be toppled by the Taliban...and we can't even contemplate that. We cannot let this go on any further.

Sounds like she needs to write another “strongly worded letter” like she did to resolve the recent North Korean situation.

7 posted on 05/01/2009 5:40:12 AM PDT by McGruff (When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve)
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To: Schnucki
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the enemy nations.

Both can be fractured and dissolved, as they should have been within 12 months of 9/11.

8 posted on 05/01/2009 5:40:46 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Schnucki

That sounds ... ominous ...


9 posted on 05/01/2009 5:44:02 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Tarpon
ZERO will get right on it.

His teleprompter will give the Taliban a scathing speech, and all will be well in the world. The Messiah will have created another miracle.

10 posted on 05/01/2009 5:44:38 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: xkaydet65
Pakistan has the Bomb. They can hold an entire world hostage

Rubbish.

They have 70 crude weapons that can make a big bang and leave a hole in the ground. We can erase their nation from the face of the earth.

they can only hold us hostage with our permission.

11 posted on 05/01/2009 5:47:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Schnucki
We should do exactly nothing and let it happen, let the rest of the world burn - we are unable to prop it up anymore and we have no reason to prop it up.
12 posted on 05/01/2009 5:47:24 AM PDT by alex
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To: Schnucki

Nuke ‘em now. Save time and money.

The irony of having Obama for president is- if he were to nuke them, the rest of the world would think it was the best thing since sliced white bread in plastic bags.

If Bush had done it, well... I think we all know.


13 posted on 05/01/2009 5:47:43 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Schnucki

Palin-Petreaus 2012


14 posted on 05/01/2009 5:51:29 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Job 19:25 As for me, I know my Redeemer lives.)
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To: Schnucki

However, the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said last Saturday that It would be “unthinkable” that the Pakistani government of President Asif Ali Zardari would be toppled by the Taliban, adding: “Then they would have the keys to the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan, and we can’t even contemplate that. We cannot let this go on any further.”


Really? Well, what does Madamme Secretary propose to do about it? Talk to the Taliban? Offer them aid for cooperation? [/sarc]


15 posted on 05/01/2009 5:51:29 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Schnucki

Obozo’s Fault. Lets just hope nobody is being waterboarded.

Pray for America


16 posted on 05/01/2009 5:51:29 AM PDT by bray (No Obozos)
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To: wordsofearnest

Petraeus excuse my typo


17 posted on 05/01/2009 5:53:04 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Job 19:25 As for me, I know my Redeemer lives.)
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To: Schnucki
From the article: "Officials told Fox News that no one in the US possesses "an understanding of the Taliban's true objective""

Are they nuts? The taliban want to take over Pakistan, along with the nuclear arsenal. Then they want to conquer the rest of the islamic world. Then the west. Pretty simple, really.

18 posted on 05/01/2009 5:53:48 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Schnucki

Do the Pakistanis really care? Aren’t they all Muslim? And isn’t the goal of every Muslim to be even more Muslim? I don’t think the Islamic world sees themselves as we do. One mans Taliban ( a word meaning students) insurgent is another mans pious brother.


19 posted on 05/01/2009 5:55:11 AM PDT by auntyfemenist (Fetch the royal iPod..)
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To: wordsofearnest

A friend said she’d heard some buzz about Petreaus running in 2012....I’d not heard that. Any rumors out there?


20 posted on 05/01/2009 5:56:31 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: wordsofearnest

And I relied on your spelling for my post!


21 posted on 05/01/2009 5:58:19 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: Schnucki

General David Petraeus has earned my respect and trust. If he says this is true, I believe him without a doubt. He is a no BS straight shooter.


22 posted on 05/01/2009 6:00:26 AM PDT by FreedomFerret
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To: Schnucki

Do the Pakistanis really care? Aren’t they all Muslim? And isn’t the goal of every Muslim to be even more Muslim? I don’t think the Islamic world sees themselves as we do. One mans Taliban ( a word meaning students) insurgent is another mans pious brother.


23 posted on 05/01/2009 6:01:55 AM PDT by auntyfemenist (Fetch the royal iPod..)
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To: Joiseydude
Ohhhhh another crisis that we need to throw billions of dollars at.

Just throw a few trillions the Talibans way. Sharing the wealth fixes everything....or so I've heard. Obomas tax slaves will pick up the tab, and the problem will be solved. Why worry?

24 posted on 05/01/2009 6:03:27 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Schnucki
Hillary Clinton, said last Saturday that It would be "unthinkable"..

L

25 posted on 05/01/2009 6:03:43 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Jim Noble
They have 70 crude weapons that can make a big bang and leave a hole in the ground. We can erase their nation from the face of the earth.

Uh......the democrats control Washington, remember? We have a surrender-n-chief in charge.

26 posted on 05/01/2009 6:06:25 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jim Noble
Both can be fractured and dissolved, as they should have been within 12 months of 9/11.

How do you propose to do that? And what takes their place?

27 posted on 05/01/2009 6:09:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Schnucki

BO’s May 15 speech:

“We will be negtiating with the Taliban to convince them it is not in their interest to use those nuclear weapons.”

(translation: “I’ll charm them into doing the right thing”)


28 posted on 05/01/2009 6:13:46 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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To: rbg81
Really? Well, what does Madamme Secretary propose to do about it? Talk to the Taliban? Offer them aid for cooperation? [/sarc]

Maybe she can get another one of those 'reset' buttons. Wonder what it will say in Arabic?

29 posted on 05/01/2009 6:13:50 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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To: concerned about politics

The President will tend to this after the conclusion of the 100 day festivities scheduled to wind up about May 15.


30 posted on 05/01/2009 6:32:18 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: Schnucki

“Officials said that Gen Petraeus and senior officials in the Obama administration believe that the Pakistani army, led by Gen Ashfaq Kayani, is “superior” to the civilian government.”

I am baffled. Isn’t this the arrangement that existed under Musharraf? Why on earth did the Bush administration go to such lengths to undermine this? Did musharraf himself want out?


31 posted on 05/01/2009 6:41:42 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: kabar
I think we've had this discussion before.

The Hejaz should revert either to the Hashemites or Turkey. The Eastern Province of SA should become an American protectorate. Najd and Asir can revert to the barbarism which is their nature.

FATA and NWFP should, along with Afghanistan, be conquered, occupied, and reconstructed. Baluchistan should be independent, or joined to a Free Iran. The rump Pakistani state (Sind and Punjab) should rejoin India, but could be made a bantustan under US protection if that's easier.

32 posted on 05/01/2009 6:42:30 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Jim Noble

“They have 70 crude weapons that can make a big bang and leave a hole in the ground. We can erase their nation from the face of the earth.”

As long as fracturing the world economy with a nice regional nuclear exchange doesn’t bother you or constitute cause for concern, then arguably yes.


33 posted on 05/01/2009 6:45:05 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123
I am baffled. Isn’t this the arrangement that existed under Musharraf? Why on earth did the Bush administration go to such lengths to undermine this? Did musharraf himself want out?

I'm pretty sure the Pakistani general public had a lot to do with it. Musharraf was pretty unpopular by the end.

It may be that Pakistan is irretrievably lost at this point -- maybe not; but I think it's set to become a big mess.

If it really starts to dissolve, the most important thing will be to send in teams to secure the Pakistani nukes. I'd be willing to bet that the Pakistani gov't is even more alarmed than we are at the idea that Taliban might gain access.

The nukes will be brought out.

34 posted on 05/01/2009 6:48:26 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Schnucki
However, the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said last Saturday that It would be "unthinkable" that the Pakistani government of President Asif Ali Zardari would be toppled by the Taliban, adding: "Then they would have the keys to the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan, and we can't even contemplate that. We cannot let this go on any further."

Apparently, the administration thinks that if they simply don't think about it, it can't happen. Note the words "unthinkable" and "can't even contemplate that".

Bush managed to walk a tightrope with Pakistan for 7 years, because he knew what the nuclear threat was.

Obama's administration may set us back 30 years in their 1st 120 days. Pakistan obviously can read the tea leaves. Obama won't come to help them, Obama will criticize them if they take any untoward action against captured taliban, Obama will ridicule them if they don't fight "fair", and will probably ask them to enter talks with the enemy.

35 posted on 05/01/2009 6:52:06 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Noble
they can only hold us hostage with our permission.

Sadly true, and they will.

36 posted on 05/01/2009 6:55:05 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: WoofDog123
As long as fracturing the world economy with a nice regional nuclear exchange doesn’t bother you or constitute cause for concern

There is no such thing as a "world economy".

37 posted on 05/01/2009 6:55:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Time to get out of New York, DC, LA, and other big cities ASAP!

Good God! Why would they do us that favor? Only half :-) The typical ZerO voter would not notice, because, his income is coming from a red state. The loss would be all those ZerO voters.

Not even Petraeus can save us from the incompetence of those above him who want us to be loved for doing nothing.

It is time for ZerO to understand that leadership is not consensus in a world in need of adult supervision. Sure, the kids are going to hate you for spoiling their good time. Do you want Mullah Omar providing that adult supervision?

38 posted on 05/01/2009 6:56:47 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (If you are in a concentration camp and nobody know you are there, are you really there?)
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To: Jim Noble

“There is no such thing as a “world economy”. “

I disagree. While large countries do have economies which are partially self-sufficient, global finance (including fedgov’s borrowing) is absolutely global.


39 posted on 05/01/2009 7:00:12 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Jim Noble
And pigs could fly if they had wings.

Pakistan is a nation of 176 million people and about twice the size of California. Conquering, occupying, and reconstructing it is a pipedream. And exactly who would do that? Does the political will exist to embark on such an undertaking?

I have visited Pakistan many times and lived in Saudi Arabia for five years and Iran for two years. What you propose doesn't pass the laugh test. It is preposterous and totally divorced from reality.

40 posted on 05/01/2009 7:12:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Obama's administration may set us back 30 years in their 1st 120 days.

I don't mean to be a real bummer, but.......Not one nation in the world fears Oboma. They know he won't do anything. Clinton was the same way, and we ended up with 9/11. I can't even imagine what's going to happen because of Oboma. Community organizing isn't going to work on a world wide scale. It's going to get a lot worse, that's for sure.

The economy is going to tank, big time. Even worse, it's probably the least of our problems.

In time, there's going to be a huge buyers remorse, but the Republicans aren't going to be able to clean up the mess. I believe life in the U.S. will never be the same and maybe we should psychologically start preparing for it.

41 posted on 05/01/2009 7:13:23 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Schnucki

Scary, very scary.


42 posted on 05/01/2009 7:14:16 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (I will not be silenced.)
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To: r9etb
The nukes will be brought out.

Doubtful given Pakistan's paranoia about India. They will not allow them off of their soil for fear that they will be vulnerable to India and that they will not get them back.

43 posted on 05/01/2009 7:16:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Obama has already promised them about $5 billion in aid with no strings attached.

FYI: Both at Occidental and at Columbia, Obama's roommates were Pakistanis. And he visited one of them in Pakistan during his days at Columbia. I am sure he considers himself an expert on Pakistan and believes he is a friend of theirs.

44 posted on 05/01/2009 7:19:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Schnucki

“We cannot let this go on any further.”

This from the party that says we have to stop getting in everybody’s business and thinking we own the world. Shoe’s on the other foot, isn’t it, Madame Secretary? Oh, I forgot: “That was then, this is now”...

Colonel, USAFR


45 posted on 05/01/2009 7:20:12 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: COBOL2Java

“Maybe she can get another one of those ‘reset’ buttons. Wonder what it will say in Arabic?”

In my perfect world? “Boom.”

Colonel, USAFR


46 posted on 05/01/2009 7:23:24 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: kabar; All

What do you expect from Arm Chair Generals..


47 posted on 05/01/2009 7:25:57 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Now a member of the NRA)
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To: rbg81
Hillary Clinton,

There was another thread listed today that said Hillary was being praised for her outstanding performance. I didn't read the thread, because I couldn't think of anything she's done successfully so far. All she's done is "talk tough."

Her and Oboma have a lot in common, except she can talk tough without a teleprompter..

48 posted on 05/01/2009 7:35:03 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Nope just wishful thinking on my part.


49 posted on 05/01/2009 7:42:18 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Job 19:25 As for me, I know my Redeemer lives.)
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To: Schnucki; All

Here’s what I think is going on INSIDE Pakistan;

a squeeze play, putting the people of Pakistan and it’s elected government in a vice,

between the Taliban (bad cop - who get most of their funding from rich Saudis and some sheiks in the gulf states)

and

Nawaz Sharif (good - cop) the leading opposition politician, and an Islamic fundamentalist who the Saudis bribed Perez Musharraf to let Nawaz back into Pakistan, ahead of the last elections.

Both bad cop Taliban (”militant” opposition) and good cop Nawaz Sharif (I can do better than the secular parties), have the same eventual goals, a fundamentalist Islamic state, and the same sources of funds - the Saudis and their friends.

While Bush before and Obama now actually now this.

One has to ask then, is the U.S. support for the secular democratic government of Pakistan a pretense, and is that what it has been all along?

Because, the only thing that would prove it is not a pretense would be the U.S. government’s public denouncement of the behind the scenes financial role the Saudis and their friends are playing, to push Pakistan into a totally fundamentalist position.


50 posted on 05/01/2009 7:43:34 AM PDT by Wuli
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