The Founders on Homosexuality

Apologetics Press ^ | Dave Miller, Ph.D.

[hunter112]

My point is, do not apply the same standards that you apply to religious texts to the words of the Founding Fathers. They got much of it right, probably most of it. But they weren’t 100% right on absolutely everything.

[SECURE AMERICA]

The rapidity with which homosexual activists continue successfully to bully the nation to normalize what once was universally considered abnormal is astonishing.

No its not.
Most Americans have become cowards.
They will no longer stand up for what they believe in.
20 years ago it would have been inconcievable for a Socialist like Obama to become President. Americans have lost their soul. We are just a shell of what our fore fathers were...

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

HEGELIAN DIALECTICS HAS BEEN EMPLOYED BY EDUCATORS in America since the 1920s to move the educational system from the old concept of moral absolutism and submission to a higher authority to the new philosophy of relativism and constant change. “The collective moulding begins early in life, sustained and refined throughout one’s formal education; a universal curriculum of manipulation can transform and achieve a complete paradigm shift for a whole generation” (Terry Melanson).

[SweetCaroline]

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[conservative cat]

This is a great post. I have had friends, in-laws, and co-workers who were homosexual. I would not like to see them tortured or imprisoned, any more than someone who was bipolar or had another mental illness (unless of course, as you said, they engage in criminal behavior because of it.) I consider it a form of mental illness.

[Prodigal Son]

There is a fundamental difference between the practice of involuntary servitude or treating people as mere property as opposed to people who define their entire lives around their sordid sexual perversions.

Would you mind explaining that one to me?

Let me qualify that. I understand the difference per se. One is A, the other is B.

Explain this fundamental difference to me- I don't want to read too much into that one post.

[gidget7]

I agree, great post. And of course we don't want to see them tortured or imprisoned, nor would that happen. The trouble is, to activists, it is either 100% acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, marriage, kids, teaching it in schools, banning speaking of it Churches as sin, OR you want them dead, or tortured, or imprisoned, or not allowed to work, or some such nonsense. These people are hateful, vicious, and vile, and will use any manner of intimidation they can come up with to get their way.

They are like children, who always want something more, and will push and push till they get it. When the final result is no, instead of realizing the parent may not have the money, or the item would put them in danger, or any number of real reasons they cannot have what they want, they scream YOU HATE ME!!

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Another word for fundamental is basic and I believe I explained the basic difference clearly. There is no comparison between involuntary servitude of Africans in Colonial America/Early America and the moral decay we find ourselves in today regarding homosexuality...degenerate people shamelessly demanding acceptance of their preferred sexual perversion. Only weak-minded people can be shamed and made to feel guilty...thus capitulating.

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

I remember a 48 Hours story on a 12 year old boy...he shot his grandparents at close range with a shotgun...burnt down the house with a slow burn using candles...stole their vehicle and claimed a black man kidnapped him. His lawyers and family said the anti-depressant made him do it. We need to be careful about just excusing sin by calling it mentally ill.

[Prodigal Son]

Ok. I guess what I wanted for you to do is say which one is worse.

Homosexuality or slavery?

And like I said, I don’t want to read into your post. The answer to that one wasn’t clear to me or I wouldn’t have asked.

[donna]

Was the American Founding Unjust? (The Case of Slavery) Part 1 of 2

In the infamous Dred Scott case in 1857, the Supreme Court declared that blacks had never been citizens in the United States. In fact, free blacks were not only citizens but voted in most Northern states and in Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina. In New Jersey, women, including black women, had the right to vote for 30 years after 1776

1) http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a377e2d151100.htm
2) http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a377e2f80122d.htm

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[BonRad]

great post!

[Old Landmarks]

More history and truth that is scorned and censored by the Big Government, Far Left, Public School Tsars.

[Old Landmarks]

A revealing history of Free Republic will reveal something in this same vein.

That is, how often the lying closet leftists on Free Republic will post opposition to a thread like this one by quoting and linking to a site of the far left, such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, or the ACLU, or Norman Lears sham organization, PAW.

This will usually be triggered by any facts that do not line up with liberal revisionist history as shaped by those who fight against our vital and essential conservative Judeo/Christian foundation.

[ckilmer]

Here's a pretty good prayer song

[tlb]

Can you really pick and choose from Leviticus? Further wisdom from Leviticus:

“If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people.” (Leviticus 20:18)

“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” (Leviticus 25:44-45)

“Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” (Leviticus 19:27)

“...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.” (Leviticus 11:7)

“...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material.” (Leviticus 19:19)

“But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:10)

Are your clothes holy, or a cotton mix ? Pity about all those sinners at the Red Lobster though.

[Bender2]

Re: Of those living today in America who were alive 50 years ago, few could have imagined, let alone predicted, that homosexuality would encroach on our culture as it has.

Or those of us alive better than 50 years ago now cannot believe that smokers are looked upon like lepers, junk science would push a scam called Global Warming that will kill our energy economy, the Congress would actually be considering a bill to do away with the secret ballot, elected officials under the guise of the Democrat Party openly score our national heritage, making laws forcing banks to make unsound loans to people than cannot repay them, then blame the lenders as greedy when the mortgages hit the fans, bowing down to the religion of Islam while trashing a beauty queer for her Christian views on marriage and finally the President of these United States refuses to provide a birth certificate while acting as if those exercising their free speech at the Tea Parties are like the Jews in Nazi Germany, something not worth any note or importance.

Remember, Hitler was not a citizen of Germany when elected Chancellor of Germany in 1933.

Yes, my sixth decade will not be enjoyable as I expect our fearless Democrats Leaders to invite the Muslim Terrorists to nuke us at their leisure.

God may forgive these traitorous SOBs, I will not. May the burn in hell!

[Smokin' Joe]

Of course this is true but the fact is that slavery used to be legal and this is often one of the levers used to say that the old laws against homosexuality were just as egregiously wrong. I’m just sayin’ since that’s one of the big arguments you know.

Gee. Murder and robbery were illegal then, too. Should we legalize them, too? (Just a reasonable response to such nonsense to get them to admit that some of the things which were illegal should stay that way.)