Posted on 05/06/2009 7:24:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf
The state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY.
The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana . The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal - confiscation of privately owned firearms.
Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch.
Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obama's face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.
Important Points - If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the USA , the very document that empowers the USA .
Silencers made in Montana and sol in Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.
Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.
Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun enthusiasts and hunters.
There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in Montana . Way to go Montana !
It's called the MONTANA FIREARMS FREEDOM ACT.
There are grand total of 2, just TWO articles on this in a Google News Search, one of those is a blogs, and the other is a local Montana TV story about Soviergnty bills, and not the gun bill! http://news.google.com/news/more?um=1&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=1346554341
TO THE MODERATOR: An EXTENSIVE Google search for ANYTHING resembling a mainstream article on this shows that none exist, but thier are HUNDREDS of discussions and blog articles about it! THIS SHOULD BE BREAKING NEWS.
The "Powers That Be" are determined to bury this one, and keep it quiet. And I think we ALL know why!
Texas is working on a very similar bill right now.
Watch the libs and MSM, send some idiot over state lines, into Montana to instigate some (what they consider) newsworthy disgruntle individual attack. Create a Virginia Tech or Columbine in Montana.
Might have to make Montana a future destination if Obama screws this country up more than he already has (and we all know he will).
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Only one thing to say about that: Rock on Texas!
“Might have to make Montana a future destination if Obama screws this country up more than he already has (and we all know he will).”
I’d retire to Montana if it weren’t so darn cold!
Haven’t Texas and Oklahoma suceeded as well?
Like,
May the Force be with you Dude
Seriously, I applaud any attempt to get
information out to the public.
“Our” MSM sure doesn’t try so it’s kinda
up to us little guys to inform.
Hurrah for Texas.
This is why America is GREAT.
...Bravo to the governor and the state legislature...
What firearms are manufactured inside the State of Montana ?
Not to pee on your parade, but Gonzales v. Raich will likely be the precedent the government uses to kill this idea ....
And here I am stuck in Florida with a governor that makes Michelle jealous...
Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.
If this stands, it will only apply to MT manufactured firearms and for their citizens only. Of course, it may be an incentive for more firms to take up manufacturing in MT. The best hope is that other states will follow.
This sounds a little beyond the courtroom dance...
Or does he need to cast/forge/mill/whatever the frame and stamp his own name on it...
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A little more detail and a little less hyperbole would make this a little better thread.
“A little more detail and a little less hyperbole would make this a little better thread.”
I wish there was some...
Feel free to do a google search. I even posted the Google news results. All four of them. And two don’t even apply.
I mean I think the legislature would have known full well what the feds would use to “invalidate” their ruling. They are implicitly threatening to ignore any court order by passing this law.
Soon, many. There’s a lot of pent-up demand for some items (short barrels, suppressors, unregistered, etc.).
Putting on the tin foil hat for a moment, what if this is a devious plan to force a (corrupt) supreme court to rule on Federal powers, and the Federal power to control firearms?
This could be a devastating blow to gun ownership in this country as well, if this is a scam to establish precedent in the top courts.
I heard about this earlier on Beck with Judge Napolitano. They mentioned that the Governor would be making a speech at the signing. If anybody finds a transcript it sounds like it would certainly be worth posting.
oh YEAH,
I always said if I won the lottery.... 1000 acres of private land in Montana or Wyoming.
I see. Do you know you do know that Gonzales vs. Raich is not a court order, right?
This USSC decision from 2005 specifically states that any item produced is “never more than an instant away from the interstate market” and can thus be regulated by the congress.
This is decided precedent (wrong, but decided) and will not likely be revisited by an Obama court.
Dig up the bill and read it, rather than relying on intepretations by the confused.
Your tinfoil hat is on too tight.
This law is a Good Thing, even though it invites a big fight which might not be won.
I think Bushmaster should move to Montana. Maybe I should move to Montana. You know, raise me up a crop of dental floss.
Montana isn't very cold at all. Unless of course you are one who has lived in the warm southern states all your life- a tender foot.
Montana has the best of both worlds, mild winters, nice mountains, good hunting and nice summers. Buy a nice ranch at the foot of the mountains and you're in paradise, close to both mountains and sand.
Are we? That's good news! Who is drafting the bill?
Note: no interstate commerce was involved with the raising, waxing, boxing, sale or end use of my floss.
bttt
Not ONE of which I can access at work - they're blocked either for "social" or "weapons" - so this is a self ping to read up on it at home.
at the time, I made the follwing comment:
"As the court explains, tomatoes which are grown at home and possessed for personal use are never more than an instant from the interstate market and this is so whether or not the possession is for nutritional use or lawful use under the laws of a particular state."
I simply substituted tomotoes for marijuana.
I can EASILY see this being used to stike down that law.
Further - it was not the State of California which was sued by the feds - it was an individual. This will be the case again here.
I'm born and raised in Miami and we have one hell of a gun friendly state. Witness that we were the first of the states to pass SHALL ISSUE ccw permits and this led the ccw revolution. I know that Alabama and Washington State get into a snit over this saying they had shall issue laws way before Florida, but nonetheless, ours is the legislation that is used as a template for other states currently. Florida led the way in amending Castle Doctrine laws to extend to outside the home, to preclude prosecution by overzealous prosecutors politically motivated and to prevent the estates of dead perps from suing the law abiding in civil court. I admit that Charlie leaves a lot to be desired, but we have a pretty rock solid legislature and it could always be worse.
And make no mistake about it, THIS is the reason the gun-grabbers made them illegal and want to keep them illegal -- has nothing to do with crime prevention (effective silencers are so easy to make out of common items available at any hardware store, that anyone who wants to murder somebody quietly with a gun, will have no obstacle to doing so). The object is to make it as hard as possible for people to practice shooting, and few people will do it, and to give anti-gun neighbors an avenue for legally stopping people from practicing shooting on a simple "nuisance" or "disturbing the peace" basis, avoiding any pesky constitutional issues.
Tennessee has very similar legislation in its current session and just passed resturant concealed carry out of a conferance committee. Ronny Barrett is pushing it.
- Frank Zappa (Over-Nite Sensation - 1973)
10th amendment.
Let Obama eat $h!t and bark at the moon.
let him do something about it and millions of partriots will fill states that will secede.
Also helps if the projectile is subsonic.
Feds define manufacture as 80% completion of the receiver.
Many people build their own handguns and rifles from cast or forged receiver blanks that don’t have all the holes drilled and tapped.
They take it over the 80% (I have no idea how the BATFE would figure that out), so they’re considered the manufacturer.
Even importers of receivers, like Springfield Armory, import the unfinished receivers (Brazil) and finish the work in the US.
bttt
the fascinating (and unspoken) part of it is....the Governor of Montana is a DEMOCRAT! This showdown will look like the last ten minutes of Enemy of the State....
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