Skip to comments.U.S. Navy Ship Outruns Pursuing Pirates
Posted on 05/07/2009 10:35:54 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Suspected pirates failed in an effort to attack a U.S. Navy ship off the eastern coast of Somalia. the Navy said Thursday.
Two skiffs, assumed to be pirate vessels, chased the Lewis and Clark, a dry cargo and ammunition ship supporting the Navy's Fifth Fleet, for more than an hour Wednesday before giving up, CNN reported.
During the pursuit, the skiffs fired small arms at the Lewis and Clark and got within one nautical mile before the ship used evasive maneuvers and pulled out of range.
I hope not. This site would be out of business.
But it's certainly possible to do these things without mentioning his race.
It may not have been your intent, but you have to consider how these words come across.
I don't think the Navy alters its ROE simply because of the skin color of the president. One can imagine a number of possible black presidents - say, Colin Powell (be he RINO or not), Michael Steele, etc. - which wouldn't seem likely to prompt such questions.
It is my contention, that Obama's decisions and his race can NOT be separated.
His 20 years in a hate pit "church" - preaching black racism and Black Liberation Theology make ignoring his race and his racist foundation -- IMPOSSIBLE.
Obama and his supporters use every opportunity to call attention to his race....why should we not view him in the same window?
"I don't think the Navy alters its ROE simply because of the skin color of the president."
The Navy in under the direct control of the CIC - the President... It is the PRESIDENT's unproved ability to make decisions that are FREE of his undeniable Leftist, black racism and life long association with anti-American Marxists and self declared terrorists that I fear.... His relationship and early support of his confessed Muslim Islamist terrorist Uncle in Kenya can not be ignored......
Even a casual review of nearly every act by Obama and his administration have followed a radical Left tack - and casting America in a negative role with his constant apologizing for America and without question - BOWING to the King of Saudi Arabia... That act really ripped it for me.
I question this president's ability, loyalty and trustworthiness in the position of CIC - and fear his influence is detrimental to National Security. I believe a large measure of that is directly related to his history and resentment of his experiences as a half black, half African - who appears resentful of his white half.
I think a LOT of folks KNOW what’s going on....
There can be no other explanation for the explosion in the sale of firearms and ammunition.....
1. They KNOW the Leftists strongly fear an Armed Citizenry and will work to end or curtail the ability of law abiding citizens to arm themselves.
2. They KNOW the 2nd Amendment was written to allow the citizens to “deal” with a tyrannical government - foreign or domestic....
Liberation Theology. What a enormous perversion of the faith that is. The Roman Catholic Church in central & south America has been successfully infiltrated by this Marxist movement. American school children are studying about people like Bishop Romero as heroic protectors of the peasants. These well intended theologians are all agents for marxist atheists. Useful idiots. That is WHO these people are. They use their racial WHAT as cover.
How did the liberation theologians defend the issue of their use of Marxism? They have vigorously defended their use of Marx on two major grounds. First, Marxism, according to Gutierrez, is seen as a tool of social analysis which allows insights to be gained concerning the present nature of Latin American society and the means by which the appalling situation of the poor may be remedied. Second, it provides a political program by which the present unjust social system may be dismantled, and a more equitable society created. In practice, then, liberation theology is intensely critical of capitalism and supportive of socialism. Nevertheless, it must be stressed that liberation theology declares Gods preference for and commitment to the poor, a fundamental aspect of the gospel, and is not based purely on Marxist theory.
Your final point, which should have been your ONLY point, is relevant, but is NOT what you originally stated and asked. Its relevance is minimal, however, since the policy of using unarmed or lightly armed, civilian crewed but Navy owned ships as ammunition carriers was not Zero's idea.
I asked you a question, BTW: when was the last time, Pre-Zero, that a US Naval Ship was attacked by pirates? That incident (if it exists) will be your precedent for rationally judging the recent attack on USNS L&C and Zero's possible disloyalty.
Your homework, RR, is to research the matter rationally and factually, and report your documented findings to us.
I think further up the thread someone posted that usually these are civilian-run ships. However, I agree that it should have had an escort if traveling through pirate-infested waters. You wouldn’t even need much of an escort with the small arms and small skiffs the Somalis are using.
I read the article but it doesn’t say what if any weapons it has on board.
Couldn’t attacking a U.S. Naval vessel be considered an act of war?
Yeah but we don’t have anyone that would do anything about it.
“Have a Nice Day.”
I was reacting on emotion like a liberal voter?
I was asking rational questions, trying to ascertain facts.
Your post is unneccessarily condescending and combative.
So you have a nice day, Jackass.
My invitation to you to kiss my hairy and “racist” white ass, stands.
The United States Fought Wars Against North African Pirates in the Early 1800s
Thomas Jefferson Wouldn't Give In to the Barbary Pirates
By Robert McNamara, About.com
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* barbary wars
* barbary pirates
* thomas jefferson
* stephen decatur
North African pirates had been a menace for hundreds of years and by the late 1700s many nations were paying tribute ensure merchant shipping could proceed without being violently attacked.
In the early years of the 19th century, the United States, at the direction of President Thomas Jefferson, decided to call a halt to the payment of tribute, and a war between the young US Navy and the Barbary pirates ensued.
Ten years later, a second war settled the issue of American ships being attacked by pirates until the problem's bizarre resurgence nearly 200 years later, in the spring of 2009.
Background of the Barbary Pirates
The Barbary pirates operated off the coast of North Africa as far back as the time of the Crusades. According to legend, the Barbary pirates sailed as far as Iceland, attacking ports, seizing captives as slaves, and plundering merchant ships.
As most seafaring nations found it easier, and cheaper, to bribe the pirates rather than fight them in a war, a tradition developed of paying tribute for passage through the Mediterranean. European nations often worked out treaties with the Barbary pirates.
By the early 19th century the pirates were essentially sponsored by the Arab rulers of Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli.
American Ships Were Protected Before Independence
Before the United States achieved independence from Britain, American merchants ships were protected on the high seas by the British Navy. But when the young nation was established its shipping could no longer count on British warships keeping it safe from pirates.
In March 1786, two future presidents met with an ambassador from the pirate nations of North Africa. Thomas Jefferson, who was the US ambassador in France, and John Adams, the ambassador to Britain, met with the ambassador from Tripoli in London. They asked why American merchant ships were being attacked without provocation.
The ambassador explained that Muslim pirates considered Americans to be infidels and they believed they simply had the right to plunder American ships.
America Pays Tribute While Preparing for War
“The Frigate Philadelphia”courtesy New York Public Library Digital Collections
The US government adopted a policy of essentially paying bribes, or tribute, to the pirates. Jefferson objected to the policy of paying tribute in the 1790s. Having been involved in negotiations to free Americans held by North African pirates, he believed paying tribute only invited more problems.
The young US Navy was preparing to deal with the problem by building a few ships destined to fight the pirates off Africa. Work on the frigate Philadephia was depicted in a painting titled “Preparation for WAR to Defend Commerce.”
The Philadelphia was launched in 1800 and saw service in the Caribbean before becoming involved in a pivotal incident in the first war against the Barbary pirates.
1801-1805: The First Barbary War
“Capture of Algerine Corsair”courtesy New York Public Library Digital Collections
When Thomas Jefferson became president, he refused to pay any more tribute to the Barbary pirates. And in May 1801, two months after he was inaugurated, the pasha of Tripoli declared war on the United States. The US Congress never issued an official declaration of war in response, but Jefferson dispatched a naval squadron to the coast of North Africa to deal with the pirates.
The American Navy's show of force quickly calmed the situation. Some pirate ships were captured, and the Americans established successful blockades.
But the tide turned against the United States when the frigate Philadelphia ran aground in the harbor of Tripoli (in present day Libya) and the captain and crew were captured.
Stephen Decatur Becomes an American Naval Hero
“Decatur Boarding the Philadelphia”courtesy New York Public Library Digital Collection
The capture of the Philadelphia was a victory for the pirates, but their triumph was short-lived.
In February 1804, Lieutenant Stephen Decatur of the US Navy, sailing a captured ship, managed to sail into the harbor at Tripoli and recapture the Philadelphia. He burned the ship so it couldn't be used by the pirates. Decatur's daring action became a naval legend.
Stephen Decatur became a national hero in the United States and he was promoted to captain.
The captain of the Philadelphia, who was eventually released, was William Bainbridge. He later went on to greatness in the US Navy. Coincidentally, one of the US Navy ships involved in action against pirates off Africa in April 2009 was the USS Bainbridge, which is named in his honor.
To the Shores of Tripoli
In April 1805 the US Navy, with US Marines, launched an operation against the port of Tripoli. The objective was to install a new ruler.
The detachment of Marines, under the command of Lieutenant Presley O’Bannon, led a frontal assault on a harbor fort at the Battle of Derna. O’Bannon and his small force captured the fort.
Marking the first American victory on foreign soil, O’Bannon raised an American flag over the fortress. The mention of the “shores of Tripoli” in the “Marine’s Hymn” refers to this triumph.
A new pasha was installed in Tripoli, and he presented O’Bannon with a curved “Mameluke” sword, which is named for North African warriors. To this day Marine dress swords replicate the sword given to O’Bannon.
A Treaty Ended the First Barbary War
After the American victory at Tripoli, a treaty was arranged which, while not entirely satisfactory for the United States, effectively ended the First Barbary War.
One problem which delayed ratification of the treaty by the US Senate was that ransom had to be paid to free some American prisoners. But the treaty was eventually signed, and when Jefferson reported to the Congress in 1806, in the written predecessor of the president's State of the Union Address, he said the Barbary States would now respect American commerce.
The issue of piracy off Africa faded into the background for about a decade. Problems with Britain interfering with American commerce took precedence, and eventually led to the War of 1812.
1815: The Second Barbary War
“Decatur Meets the Dey of Algiers”courtesy New York Public Library Digital Collections
During the War of 1812 American merchants ships were kept out of the Mediterranean by the British Navy. But problems arose again with the war’s end in 1815.
Feeling that the Americans had been seriously weakened, a leader with the title of the Dey of Algiers declared war on the United States. The US Navy responded with a fleet of ten ships, which were commanded by Stephen Decatur and William Bainbridge, both veterans of the earlier Barbary war.
By July 1815 Decatur's ships had captured several Algerian ships and forced the Dey of Algiers to commit to a treaty. Pirate attacks on American merchant ships were effectively ended at that point.
Legacy of the Wars Against the Barbary Pirates
The threat of the Barbary pirates faded into history, especially as the age of imperialism meant the African states supporting piracy came under the control of European powers. And pirates were mainly found in adventure tales until incidents off the coast of Somalia made headlines in the spring of 2009.
The Barbary Wars were relatively minor engagements, especially when compared to European wars of the period. Yet they provided heroes and thrilling tales of patriotism to the United States as a young nation, and can be said to have shaped the young nation's conception of itself as a player on the international stage.
Gratitude is extended to the New York Public Library Digital Collections for the use of images on this page.
Ahh, nothing like rational thought...