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U.S. Navy Ship Outruns Pursuing Pirates
UPI ^ | May 7, 2009

Posted on 05/07/2009 10:35:54 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Suspected pirates failed in an effort to attack a U.S. Navy ship off the eastern coast of Somalia. the Navy said Thursday.

Two skiffs, assumed to be pirate vessels, chased the Lewis and Clark, a dry cargo and ammunition ship supporting the Navy's Fifth Fleet, for more than an hour Wednesday before giving up, CNN reported.

During the pursuit, the skiffs fired small arms at the Lewis and Clark and got within one nautical mile before the ship used evasive maneuvers and pulled out of range.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: maritime; navy; pirates; somalia; somalipirates
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To: nickcarraway

Pitiful. Like a hawk chased by blue jays.

Just PITIFUL.


52 posted on 05/07/2009 11:00:05 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: skully

They really do need to stick Marine detachments back on those ships.

One thing that would’ve been different had the pirates actually tried to board, though—the Maersk Alabama had a crew of, what, twenty? These 24,000-ton beasts have a crew of around 170, including dozens of military personnel. Even if the Lewis and Clarks’s crew only had small arms—hell, even if they only had baseball bats—those pirates would’ve been in for a shock to suddenly run up against that many people.

}:-)4


53 posted on 05/07/2009 11:01:28 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: river rat
Would the Navy behave so cowardly under a WHITE Christian natural born citizen President?

This is satire of some kind, right?

54 posted on 05/07/2009 11:02:04 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: STD
"Both M-2 heavy machine guns and 40mm grenade launchers will ruin your day.

Are you sure this particular class of vessel has both .50cals and Mk19's? I've never been aboard a MSC cargo ship, so I certainly could be mistaken. But, I always thought that because of the limitations of "ships under arms" with respect to navigational routes and right-of-ways, that these ships were only minimally armed.

55 posted on 05/07/2009 11:02:05 AM PDT by Big_Monkey (Flubama - bringing disease everywhere he goes.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
It was a dry cargo and ammunition ship, not a combat vessel.

While this is true, surely this ship has provisions to carry .50 caliber machine gun mounts -- and they should have some small arms aboard.

56 posted on 05/07/2009 11:02:08 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: nickcarraway

They RAN AWAY instead of engaging?

What is going on?


57 posted on 05/07/2009 11:02:14 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: dead
And in the immortal words of the clip "Boo Got Shot," he wuz running down the street and she wuz shoutin' "Boo got shot! Boo Got Shot!" "An he did too! Cuz I sawr it...he had a big ole gun, a big ole loooonnnnnnggggg gun....uh huh"

For those unfamiliar, Google "boo go shot" and follow the trail, eventually it will lead you to a very funny audio clip from Atlanta.....

58 posted on 05/07/2009 11:02:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Thane_Banquo

>>It was a dry cargo and ammunition ship, not a combat vessel.<<

So such a ship is either 1) unarmed or 2) unescorted?

That doesn’t make sense.


59 posted on 05/07/2009 11:03:19 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: BlueNgold
They are not armed and do not maintain a full military crew.

How can a ship carrying ammunition not be armed?

60 posted on 05/07/2009 11:03:44 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Lou L
They no doubt do have arms aboard - but probably have standing orders to evade rather than engage.

I'm curious why it had no combat escort.

61 posted on 05/07/2009 11:04:17 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: nickcarraway

I damned sure don’t like the idea of a US Navy vessel running from the bastards! This is absolutely disgusting!


62 posted on 05/07/2009 11:04:23 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Gaffer

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_en&q=boortz+boo+got+shot


63 posted on 05/07/2009 11:04:27 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

See post 19. Ships of this class are run by the Military Sealift Command—they’re considered civilian vessels and are manned by mostly-civilian crews, with any military onboard in a support capacity. I have no clue what kind of small arms the military contingent might have onboard, but the ships themselves have no weapons.

}:-)4


64 posted on 05/07/2009 11:05:02 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Understood and thanks for the explanation. They should go armed if in that area. Especially a munitions ship.....I would think.


65 posted on 05/07/2009 11:07:31 AM PDT by RC2 (Put Megan Kelly on the supreme court!)
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To: ETL
How - because the powers that be send them out that way - have for years.

Why, now that is a better question. The short version is that they can, in general, travel safely alone and unescorted. Actual countries (not Somali pirates, clearly) respect the sovereignty of vessels at sea, visual contact with another vessel is rare at sea, they don't carry the really fun ammunition, and most people in their right mind really don't want to piss off the U.S. Navy.

66 posted on 05/07/2009 11:08:28 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: Moose4

Do they carry ammunition, as indicated by a previous poster?


67 posted on 05/07/2009 11:08:36 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: STD

When the range of the weapons you and the pirates have is roughly the same, the smart move is to stay out of range, and requisition a 5” deck gun be installed for your next passage. :)


68 posted on 05/07/2009 11:08:55 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: river rat

This is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a combat vessel.
It is a cargo ship maintained by the MSC, owned by the government.
It’s designation is USNS, not USS.
No weapons to speak of...

Trust me, a combat vessel would have made matchsticks of the cute little pirate skiffs.


69 posted on 05/07/2009 11:10:36 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: river rat
Unlike you, I'm not into ass-kissing.

And yes, there is something wrong with that.

When, before 0bama, was a US Naval Ship (you do know what that means, right?) fired upon by pirates?

Take your racist claptrap back to DU, or whatever the heck sewer you crawled out of.

70 posted on 05/07/2009 11:11:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BlueNgold

Mind your own business.


71 posted on 05/07/2009 11:12:59 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Pay attention and you won’t ask such silly questions.

You people that are all upset are relying on the UPI to give you facts and you are reacting like a bunch of liberal voters - i.e. you react to the first thing you hear with emotion instead of making sure of the facts before you form an opinion.
- People reacting on emotion in the absence of supporting facts from unreliable liberal media outlets is how we got our current President.

Have a nice day.


72 posted on 05/07/2009 11:13:14 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: A CA Guy

They are, or they have an escort. Either this was political, or the Cap’n just wanted to have some fun and show off his skills.

But he should have then taken aggressive action, IMO.


73 posted on 05/07/2009 11:13:36 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: nickcarraway
Why does the upi even post such a short do nothing story?

upi UnAmerican Political Indoctrination.

74 posted on 05/07/2009 11:13:44 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: nickcarraway; All

The USNS Sacagawea (the second in the line of Lewis and Clark class ships) is armed with 2 to 6 12.7 mm or 7.62 machine guns.

Don’t see any armament listed for the USNS Lewis and Clark.

Correcting a design flaw maybe with the Sacagawea?


75 posted on 05/07/2009 11:15:02 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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Very neighborly of us to be sending over ships with ammo like that...


76 posted on 05/07/2009 11:15:54 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: pgkdan

It is my business when people insult the United States Navy without knowing the facts.

You reacted - saying “What have we been reduced to?” - assuming incorrectly that this was a warship somehow capable of engaging an armed enemy.

Your outrage is misplaced in this instance. Trust me, President Obama and his lackeys will give you plenty to be upset about over the next couple of years - save your energy for the right time. This simply isn’t it.

Have a nice day.


77 posted on 05/07/2009 11:19:31 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Thank you, sir. I was quite speechless, so I am grateful to you.
78 posted on 05/07/2009 11:20:37 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Lou L
When I was in the Navy in the 70s and early 80s the dry cargo, ammunition ships that pulled along side, were owned by the Navy BUT the crews were civilian. I believe it is still that way.
79 posted on 05/07/2009 11:21:12 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Domandred

Very small military contingent - guns require maintenance - that means Gunners Mates and that means more military crew and that means more expense. The whole point of the USNS fleet is to provide logistical support to the combat fleet at a lesser cost than using regular Navy ships. Also, the USS fleet is limited in their deployment lengths - the USNS fleet has fewer restrictions on op-tempo.


80 posted on 05/07/2009 11:22:15 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: nickcarraway

Why are WE running??


81 posted on 05/07/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: nickcarraway
How about placing several of these sea going electronic Gatling guns on every Navy ship?
82 posted on 05/07/2009 11:23:02 AM PDT by jws3sticks (WH)
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To: Dan Middleton

From Wikipedia: The USS Lewsi and Clark was...”deactivated while still in commission on 1 October 1991” and was “decommissioned on 27 June 1992...”


83 posted on 05/07/2009 11:23:58 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

If it’s in their cargo, I imagine they would. On a bunch of pallets, buried down in a cargo hold...and they may not have the actual tubes to *launch* the ammunition out of. It wouldn’t do them much good to be carrying, say, tons of 155mm howitzer shells if they didn’t have a 155mm howitzer (and a crew who knew how to use it) lying around.

I think they *should* be armed, or at the least be carrying a military contingent that’s got sufficient portable firepower, but because they ride a line between being civilian and military ships, they probably run across many of the same problems that a civilian cargo vessel would have with weapons. Bring a locker full of M16s into many countries’ ports, even if the weapons are locked down and not loaded, and if the local authorities find out, the ship gets impounded and the crew gets detained. It would be better if the ~50 military supposedly on each ship bring their own weapons on, and include some appropriate level of firepower and expertise to handle pirates. Or station Marines on them.

}:-)4


84 posted on 05/07/2009 11:25:15 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: spodefly

Even if it’s not a gun ship they should have run the bastards over.


85 posted on 05/07/2009 11:26:40 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Domandred
USNS = CIVILAN CREW, but Navy owned vessel.

Still that doesn't explain why one of our vessels can be pursued for an hour without some sort of response from a combat vessel or from the air.

86 posted on 05/07/2009 11:27:15 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: nickcarraway

Are we practicing for maneuvers with the French?


87 posted on 05/07/2009 11:27:16 AM PDT by Waryone (If the democrats paid taxes like the rest of us, the United States wouldn't have a deficit.)
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To: nickcarraway

Lawd Almighty, why aren’t the puckers pish pood?


88 posted on 05/07/2009 11:27:22 AM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: nickcarraway

We are a nation of wimps, I absolutely cannot take it. What a disgrace.


89 posted on 05/07/2009 11:31:22 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: rockinqsranch

If you are a non-combat vessel that can outrun a skiff armed just with pea shooters, why bother engaging? It isn’t like an AK-47 can pierce the hull or something. Just order all crew indoors and speed on by.


90 posted on 05/07/2009 11:32:50 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (The GOP: The Big Tent with a Fifth Column.)
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To: spodefly
Hep me out here.

A US Navy vessel and it's not armed? No Phalanx? No quad 50s, no nuthin? No M-16s, no pistols? Is this one of those all-female ships?

WTF, over?

91 posted on 05/07/2009 11:34:05 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: ETL

Ahh, you need something to shoot the ammo with.


92 posted on 05/07/2009 11:34:34 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (The GOP: The Big Tent with a Fifth Column.)
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To: ETL

Ahh, you need something to shoot the ammo with.


93 posted on 05/07/2009 11:34:35 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (The GOP: The Big Tent with a Fifth Column.)
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To: ETL

Ahh, you need something to shoot the ammo with.


94 posted on 05/07/2009 11:34:37 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (The GOP: The Big Tent with a Fifth Column.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Fine, what about some active support from the numerous US assets in the area, a precedent like this should be troubling and disturbing, to say the least.


95 posted on 05/07/2009 11:35:43 AM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: nickcarraway

We out ran em??? !!

Huh...


96 posted on 05/07/2009 11:35:54 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: nickcarraway

The might U S Navy is turning and running from pirates in skiffs????? WTF????


97 posted on 05/07/2009 11:35:59 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Read a bit ... learn the facts ...
Have a nice day


98 posted on 05/07/2009 11:37:15 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: BlueNgold
Actual countries (not Somali pirates, clearly) respect the sovereignty of vessels at sea, visual contact with another vessel is rare at sea, they don't carry the really fun ammunition, and most people in their right mind really don't want to piss off the U.S. Navy.

Did someone forget about the USS Cole? 17 American sailors dead?

99 posted on 05/07/2009 11:39:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Ahh, you need something to shoot the ammo with.

I meant for guarding the ammo.

100 posted on 05/07/2009 11:41:16 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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