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FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged, The Moratorium on Brains
A Publius Essay | 9 May 2009 | Publius

Posted on 05/09/2009 7:41:37 AM PDT by Publius

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To: whodathunkit
The political vs. nature battle will always be won by nature.

I'm stealing that. ;-)

21 posted on 05/09/2009 12:30:55 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Publius
In Stephen King’s epic novel The Stand, there is a long passage enumerating the less significant people who died of the Captain Trips virus, and each is kissed off with the sentiment that his death was no great loss. Rand does the same thing here, but with a tone of malevolence. These people had it coming, and they got it; it was their long delayed comeuppance. Is Rand pushing the envelope?

They didn't get what they deserved. They got what they wanted. They had all spent their lives bringing about the circumstances that got them killed. They wanted people of need in charge of their safety rather than people of ability.

22 posted on 05/09/2009 12:34:37 PM PDT by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Billthedrill
the government has started to arrest “deserters” and then stopped when it became obvious that there were too many to be kept. A temporary situation, one suspects, before the prison camps are constructed.

We know how the USSR solved the problem of too many prisoners to feed and house.

23 posted on 05/09/2009 12:37:16 PM PDT by gracie1 (visualize whirled peas)
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To: Styria
Robin Hood is about stealing from the tax collector what was taken from serfs

Ahhh... but...

Stealing is stealing.

Thus the reference to the unsustainable financial strategy.

Let's substitute the word 'torture' for stealing. Is it ok to torture a person because he tortured others? (well maybe not the best example, but you get my drift.)

24 posted on 05/09/2009 12:39:46 PM PDT by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: Publius

“These people had it coming, and they got it; it was their long delayed comeuppance. Is Rand pushing the envelope?”

It’s hard on the sentiments when people die in needless accidents...however when people die due to their own actions or the logical consequence of the policy they employ it is rough justice.


25 posted on 05/09/2009 12:59:51 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Publius
It's available at Netflix.com.

From the Netflix site:

Director Michael Paxton profiles writer and thinker Ayn Rand, a Russian-born author who championed the ideals of capitalism, individualism and reason, and gained notoriety for "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead." Through a mix of interviews and movie clips, Paxton chronicles the popular writer's life, not her controversial philosophies. Actress Sharon Gless narrates the film, which received an Oscar nomination for Best Documentary.

26 posted on 05/09/2009 1:02:31 PM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: Redcloak
They wanted people of need in charge of their safety rather than people of ability.

Oh, that was good! Right between the eyes.

27 posted on 05/09/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: whodathunkit
Torture? Pffft. Let's substitute 'vampirism' for stealing. Is it okay to stomach pump a vampire and return that blood to the victim via IV?

Robin Hood was about serfs who had every last thing taken from them. It's like a 100% tax rate. That's not sustainable.

28 posted on 05/09/2009 1:37:27 PM PDT by Styria
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To: Styria
...and return that blood to the victim...

Again, this is redistribution. With my apologies to all the vampires out there (it was his analogy, not mine:) why is there a need for vampires?

It's like a 100% tax rate. That's not sustainable.

Robin Hoods' motive may be laudable but he really is only redistributing wealth. Certainly he can not be considered a producer.
Ragnar has this same conflict within his group but has decided that, as a temporary measure, it is acceptable to himself (with restrictions).

29 posted on 05/09/2009 2:19:08 PM PDT by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: DManA
Gold’s only objective value is it’s usefulness in industrial processes.

Spoken like a liberal who has never held a Krugerrand!

Before there were industrial processes, gold had a value not dissimilar to what it has today. No one forces you to recognize this, but it would be nice if you would let those of us who do cling to our "fantasies."

ML/NJ

30 posted on 05/09/2009 2:27:53 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Billthedrill
...those that thrive on the first model build up enough surplus for the disastrous consequences of transitioning to the second to be masked for a time...

Two points worthy of bringing to attention. The pie needs to exist and it needs to be accessible to the looters. Lacking either, the beast starves.

as nonsensically as if a waterwheel were ordered to continue turning while the river is stopped

But, but, but....

the waterwheel NEEDS to turn:)

“He’d be either on foot or in a battered wreck of a car that’s got a million-dollar motor.” No, no, no, this won’t do at all.

For readability I imagined this as a phrase that meant they had given chase earlier but couldn't catch up. Perhaps because it was well tuned by a competent mechanic. I'm sure, however, that Rand was implying it was more than that.

I posed the question of whether there are, in the act of Atlas shrugging, no innocent victims. Rand here implies that there are not

I believe that this applies to Rands take on the Robin Hood reference as well. The serfs are not able or willing to stand up to the injustices they are subjected to.

Thanks for the post Billthedrill.

31 posted on 05/09/2009 3:12:55 PM PDT by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: Publius
“Ayn Rand, A Sense of Life”, a 1997 documentary (just looked it up, I saw it a couple of years ago and didn’t know it was older).

Netflix has it.

And I was intrigued by your use of the term "consist", and wondered why AR didn't use it. Perhaps she thought it too arcane? I know that she researched the railroad industry thoroughly for the novel, and steel-making as well.

Kirk

32 posted on 05/09/2009 5:26:09 PM PDT by woodnboats (Help stimulate the economy: Buy guns NOW, while you still can!)
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To: Billthedrill
How absurd to imagine that someone could simply move into a state and become a senior elected official merely because political operators found it convenient, especially a state as large and important as California…or New York, where one Hillary Clinton did precisely that. Maybe not so absurd.

Or Bobby Kennedy before her, whose presence in the Senate was deemed so important to the Nation that silly rules of residency had to be waived by New York State in order that he might serve. Unfortunately, the short-sightedness of the Founding Fathers precluded just adding a new seat in Massachusetts. Ahh, the Vision of the Anointed! At least Hillary is a Jewish Yankee fan, thus more of a New Yorker than the Irish Red Sox fan Kennedy.

Kirk

33 posted on 05/09/2009 5:41:10 PM PDT by woodnboats (Help stimulate the economy: Buy guns NOW, while you still can!)
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To: sionnsar

Yeah-h-h-h-h, I guess you’re right. The Army munitions train is a literary device placed there to destroy the tunnel. I was reading too much into it.


34 posted on 05/09/2009 6:38:57 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: woodnboats
You're probably right about her desire to avoid industry buzzwords.

She doesn't refer to a "heat" of steel as a unit of measurement either.

35 posted on 05/09/2009 6:48:52 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: Billthedrill
Can't a tragedy still be a tragedy if it is bad people that get killed instead of innocents? Not to mention the economic costs of losing the tunnel and train.

Perhaps Rand was simply being ironic in the two pages describing the victims and how they participated in causing the situation that resulted in their deaths. After all, two pages is nothing for her.

36 posted on 05/10/2009 6:07:46 AM PDT by DownwardSpiral (Downward Spiral is where the (socialist) liberals are taking us!)
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To: Publius

If there were a total breakdown of society I think guns. ammunition, food and commodities like gasoline and heaating oil will be more valuable than gold.


37 posted on 05/10/2009 9:45:14 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: MtnClimber
During a crunch, perhaps.

But when the crunch ends, how does one restart an economy? A new fiat currency like the Amero or Globo? Food, ammunition and gasoline? Or gold and silver?

38 posted on 05/10/2009 10:52:57 AM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: Publius

I know two people who escaped from Cuba and came to the USA due to the hardships of Castro’s utopia. They said that goods were rationed by the government, but people would trade among themselves to get items they really wanted more. They had to avoid getting caught by the block captain, of course. I had not thought about how you would restart an economy.


39 posted on 05/10/2009 12:10:20 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: ml/nj

No, I was speaking as an objectivist.


40 posted on 05/10/2009 2:49:54 PM PDT by DManA
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