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Soda Tax Weighed to Pay for Health Care
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 11 | Janet Adamy

Posted on 05/12/2009 2:35:48 AM PDT by PghBaldy

Senate leaders are considering new federal taxes on soda and other sugary drinks to help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.

The taxes would pay for only a fraction of the cost to expand health-insurance coverage to all Americans and would face strong opposition from the beverage industry. They also could spark a backlash from consumers who would have to pay several cents more for a soft drink.

On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee is set to hear proposals from about a dozen experts about how to pay for the comprehensive health-care overhaul that President Barack Obama wants to enact this year. Early estimates put the cost of the plan at around $1.2 trillion. The administration has so far only earmarked funds for about half of that amount.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest, a Washington-based watchdog group that pressures food companies to make healthier products, plans to propose a federal excise tax on soda, certain fruit drinks, energy drinks, sports drinks and ready-to-drink teas. It would not include most diet beverages. Excise taxes are levied on goods and manufacturers typically pass them on to consumers.

Senior staff members for some Democratic senators at the center of the effort to craft health-care legislation are weighing the idea behind closed doors, Senate aides said.

The Congressional Budget Office, which is providing lawmakers with cost estimates for each potential change in the health overhaul, included the option in a broad report on health-system financing in December. The office estimated that adding a tax of three cents per 12-ounce serving to these types of sweetened drinks would generate $24 billion over the next four years. So far, lawmakers have not indicated how big a tax they are considering.

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To: Smokin' Joe
Seriously, what Constitutional authority does the FedGov have to be doing the things they claim are the reason for levying these taxes, anyway?

Congress claims that the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution gives them the right to regulate and tax any goods or services whether they cross state lines or not. Interestingly enough, the SCOTUS rules in favor of the government (big surprise) that Congress can also regulate and tax goods and services that do NOT cross state lines, since those goods and services not being offered for sale can influence the pricing and availability of similar goods and services offered elsewhere in the country.

So, the court ruled that the ICC allows congress to regulate (and tax) goods and services that do go across state lines, as well as those that don't.

Mark

51 posted on 05/12/2009 4:03:06 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Glenn
I’m sick of soda drinkers turning the office into a sticky mess with their little splashes and spills.

While your intentions are noble and patriotic, the country is not there yet. First we have to stop all that advertising. How much of it is aimed at and accessible to our children? They are not old enough to decide to put the poison carbon dioxide into their developing stomachs. Apparently sticking a tooth in a glass of Coca-Cola in science class is not enough to scare them off. Unattended soda machines should be available only in bars, if even there. Places that mainly serve children (e.g. Chuck E. Cheese)must have stringent new regulations. Oh, and a cut off after the 4th inning at Major/Minor League Baseball games. It will take time, but fabian anti carbon-dioxide beveragism will ultimately succeed.
52 posted on 05/12/2009 4:03:52 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: mazda77

What’s a caribou fart worth, nowadays.


53 posted on 05/12/2009 4:05:58 AM PDT by Waco (Libs exhale too much.)
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To: MarkL

That was an example. They haven’t said how high they want it. They hate poor people- that is who tends to be fat nowadays and they know it.


54 posted on 05/12/2009 4:07:32 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I shall call them Prez Arugula and Lady Armpit. It fits them.)
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To: Dahoser
Why not just tax our couches since parking our fat tuckuses on them is harming our health?

If couches had parking meters on them, We would be much more productive and more physically fit. I think you're on to something here...

55 posted on 05/12/2009 4:09:10 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Right on the mark. Wondering why there are 30 posts to the point of yours that didn’t ask that question.


56 posted on 05/12/2009 4:13:42 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: Graybeard58

I agee; I’m opposed to nationalizing health care.


57 posted on 05/12/2009 4:16:02 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: RU88

I can quit fast food in a flash!


58 posted on 05/12/2009 4:17:09 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: MarkL

Excellent summary, Mark.


59 posted on 05/12/2009 4:17:18 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: PghBaldy

I can stop drinking soda. Goodbye Coke Zero my old friend.


60 posted on 05/12/2009 4:17:56 AM PDT by bmwcyle (American voters can fix this world if they would just wake up.)
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To: PghBaldy

"The Best Stuff on Earth - to Tax"

61 posted on 05/12/2009 4:20:28 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Life, Liberty and the Department of Happiness)
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To: Ancient Drive

Nah, the CBO informed the congress that 22 million NEW smokers would be needed to fund all the goodies in SCHIPS bill, but congress passed the bill anyway. They knew additional taxes on ~something~ would be required.


62 posted on 05/12/2009 4:21:20 AM PDT by LSAggie
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To: libertarian27
I remember when Snapple was sold (I believe to Quaker Oats) and they did make some changes, going from sugar to HFCS, and the flavor changed. I stopped drinking Snapple because it just wasn't as good as it was in the past.

I may give it another try, if I can find it at a convenience store - So far, I haven't found it at the local Quik Trips.

Mark

63 posted on 05/12/2009 4:25:12 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: PghBaldy

Obama secretly raised the ever lovin crap in taxes on cigarettes and no one is peeping a word. Gas prices are rising-it is okay... he will tax the ever loving crap out of everyone and everything to pay for his marxist radical dream and we will all be up shits creek without a paddle.


64 posted on 05/12/2009 4:27:09 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: DivaDelMar

Hey, we still have the liberal staple tofu...yechhhh


65 posted on 05/12/2009 4:28:13 AM PDT by Merlinator (One Big A$$ Mistake America)
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To: MarkL

I saw a commercial recently that said they are back to real sugar in Snapple - but, as the article states - they will be taxed too.

Of course, I’m allergic to Aspertame, so I will be oppressed.


66 posted on 05/12/2009 4:30:28 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Life, Liberty and the Department of Happiness)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Carbonated drinks contain CO2. Can you say GLOBAL WARMING!!!. Tax the HELL out of it or BAN THEM ALL, Pepsi, Coke, BEER, WINE etc.


67 posted on 05/12/2009 4:32:28 AM PDT by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: PghBaldy
Long long ago Fedgov created a new tax, on quart bottles of distilled spirits.

Thus the “fifth” was born, which evaded the tax for a decade or so.

If they tax “soda” there will soon be a new popular drink, with a lower price, that won't be called “soda” nor will it have sugar.

Economics and market choice are a clever combination, allowing producers to make stuff people wish to purchase.

68 posted on 05/12/2009 4:44:41 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: PghBaldy
*** So far Obama got me on the cig tax ***

Roll your own.
My state (IL) raised the cig tax when the Feds did and I said enough is enough.

A simple 'Job' brand rolling machine is under $3.00.
A 6oz can of Zig-Zag 'original' tobacco, which makes well over a typical carton of 200 cigs is under $20.00, and that comes with 200 papers.
These taste just like my Camel non filters :-)

There's also pre-rolled 'tubes' with filters, but for that you need a different machine (it slides), like from 'Gambler' that's about $5.00. I found the 'Top' brand filtered tubes don't taste too bad. 'Almost' like Camels.

There are also bigger quantity bags of tobacco, but I haven't tried those yet. There's also, 'light' and menthol tobacco.

Naturally it'll take some practice (I ruined the first hand roller I bought, duh) but after a week or so, you'll be rolling a perfect cig.

And DON'T try hand rolling a smoke like Bogey does in the Maltese Falcon. We Americans lost that finger function after WWII ended. Plus, Bull Durham is out of business and you can't buy those little cloth bags any more ;-)

69 posted on 05/12/2009 5:03:30 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: PghBaldy

Pop goes the taxes


70 posted on 05/12/2009 5:07:00 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: RU88

Candy, chips, and pretzels soon to follow.


71 posted on 05/12/2009 5:08:25 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: PghBaldy

I propose a tax on government. ;-)


72 posted on 05/12/2009 5:09:07 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Glenn

What you aren’t thinking about is if they get away with this then maybe something YOU enjoy that others wish you didn’t will be next.


73 posted on 05/12/2009 5:12:03 AM PDT by leapfrog0202
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To: Merlinator

Oh yummy! NOT!


74 posted on 05/12/2009 5:16:17 AM PDT by DivaDelMar (CRAm member-- (Conservative Republicans Against mcCain) Think you're entitled to my vote? CRAm It!!!)
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To: DooDahhhh
Quit buying any sodas & kick their butts!

Stop filing tax returns and kick their butts into oblivion!

75 posted on 05/12/2009 5:18:55 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Pinkbell
I disagree completely with the Rats’ plan, but I understand why they would scam folks and use their ignorance as an excuse to tax something considered unhealthy and high calorie. They figure that we're too stupid to decide for ourselves whether or not to consume unhealthy and/or high calorie foods/beverages and think that they have an obligation to protect taxpayers from a product that MIGHT add more weight which may lead to obesity and problems associated with that even if that isn't the case for all consumers of these products. That in turn means the government will have a perfect excuse to raise taxes to pay more for health care.

Hell. It worked for the smokers. And we are simply laughing our butts off with a look on our faces that say, "We TOLD you so."

I have to go tend to my tobacco garden now. BBL.
76 posted on 05/12/2009 5:21:26 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: PghBaldy
Soda Pop Tax Weighed ti Pay for Health Care

Fixed it.

77 posted on 05/12/2009 5:37:20 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DooDahhhh

And when people stop drinking pop, they’ll have to tax something else. Everyone here should know the dems will not stop at just one source to pay for this farce.


78 posted on 05/12/2009 5:49:37 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: PghBaldy

This is just more “soak the poor”, like cigarette- and gasoline taxes. Those b———s riding around in private jets and air-conditioned limousines couldn’t care less about the poor. Or anybody else, for that matter.


79 posted on 05/12/2009 5:49:47 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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80 posted on 05/12/2009 5:51:07 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Shady
(You think I am KIDDING? The great Bacon Ban of 2010?)

They can have my bacon when they pry it from my cold dead hands!

81 posted on 05/12/2009 5:52:52 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Kimberly GG
...." or toilet paper should be taxed to pay for these things...."

After all, he did say "Every body's got to have some skin in this game."

82 posted on 05/12/2009 5:53:40 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: PghBaldy
“Under my plan, everyone earning less than $250k per year will see a tax cut.”
83 posted on 05/12/2009 5:54:35 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: PghBaldy

If George Harrison were alive today, he’d be proud to see his song Taxman coming true.


84 posted on 05/12/2009 5:54:50 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Condor51; All

The federal tax increase affects all tobacco products, but loose tobacco is facing the most significant change — from a $1.10 per pound tax to a whopping $24.78 per pound tax.

That was from an article I read about two or three months ago. Verified this for myself at the local tobacco store. A 1lb bag of tobacco went from about 6 bucks a pound to 35 or so.


85 posted on 05/12/2009 5:56:21 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (We need to reward the people that carry the water instead of the people that drink the water!)
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To: jurroppi1

Growing my own. It’s a little late in the season, but still doable.
seedman.com


86 posted on 05/12/2009 6:02:54 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Dixie Yooper
If couches had parking meters on them, We would be much more productive and more physically fit. I think you're on to something here...

Why not tax our beds, too.

Seriously, apparently the soft drink manufacturers did not give enough money to the Obama election campaign. Let's be real here, if they were big backers of his, this would not be considered. Maybe they don't use union labor or not the right union or something. It is pure punishment for an industry. This is an insane administration.

87 posted on 05/12/2009 6:03:23 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: PghBaldy

Hmmm. Who would this tax effect the most? The same people that the cigarette tax effected the most.

The poor. Of course the most of them voted for 0bama so maybe its just rewards.

I drink water most of the time anyway so making the full time switch would be pretty easy.


88 posted on 05/12/2009 6:04:08 AM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: Shady; Just another Joe
"The great Bacon Ban of 2010?"

Don't tell Jonah Goldberg.

89 posted on 05/12/2009 6:04:52 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: leapfrog0202

Um, I think what Glenn was saying was a parody. Replace soda drinkers with cigarette smokers and you’ll get the drift.

the Baroness


90 posted on 05/12/2009 6:05:15 AM PDT by Baron von Smash
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To: PghBaldy
Why not just confiscate all money?

Ignorant peasants don't know how to spend it properly.

The District of Criminals knows best.

91 posted on 05/12/2009 6:05:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: CriticalJ

“The poor” are the ones who most need (and want) the nanny state.

After all, they don’t have enough common sense to eat properly and avoid smoking, so the elites have to make those decisions for them.

As Larry King stated “someone’s gotta think for the masses”.

(Note, this is NOT my viewpoint, but IS the viewpoint of the leftists, elitists, and their sheeple supporters)


92 posted on 05/12/2009 6:09:16 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: PghBaldy

So obama found a way to destruct yet another American entity.

what’s left? Banks, gone, automakers gone, energy companies gone, manufacturing companies soon to be gone, jobs gone. medicare, social security gone, stock market gone, 401K’s gone, liberty gone.

green, up, unions, up, juvenile delinquents in jobs, up, deficit, up. Wealthy paying higher premiums for Medicare going up to pay for healthcare, gay marriage up for tax dollars, Triad marriage next, socialism up, thug threats up, government fraud up, ACORN funding up, legalize marijuana/drugs for taxes up, terrorists in America up, tax dollars for terrorists Up, tobacco and soda taxes up.


93 posted on 05/12/2009 6:11:10 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (Did You Ever Get The Feeling That The GOP Went Out For A Cigarette & Never Came Back?)
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To: Right Wing Assault

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20090305/pl_cq_politics/politics3066570

Obama’s Proposed Tax Hike on Distillers Instills Worry in Alcohol Industry


94 posted on 05/12/2009 6:16:30 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (Did You Ever Get The Feeling That The GOP Went Out For A Cigarette & Never Came Back?)
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To: libertarian27
"The Best Stuff on Earth - to Tax"

remember when Rush used to push that stuff...back in the early '90s, he was a bigtime snapple guy back then?

95 posted on 05/12/2009 6:24:57 AM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: Pinkbell
You are saying what a lot of people are. And, in essence, it seems that will work, but think beyond the velvet fog here that the liberals/socialism lovers have spread.

With the govt. deciding who gets what care and when...the lowly people, and those who smoke or drink, or who have no jobs, or no worth to the govt., or who are old and and receiving social security will be the last in line for health care to get any life-saving treatments. Soon, all those will die off...and they will have fewer smoking, drinking, old or seriously ill people to take care of.

In the meantime, Obama's other plan is to also kill all unwanted babies by govt. decree and funds. You know, once the govt. funds anything, they start to make the decisions. Eventually the govt. will pick who has children, who does not, how many, etc. Again, fewer kids who might live on the dole and require health care.

Bottom line - the surviving citizens will keep paying the higher and higher taxes, there will be fewer people...and the government continually gets more money and more powerful to control and spend as they want. Sound familiar?

96 posted on 05/12/2009 6:29:52 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: jurroppi1
The federal tax increase affects all tobacco products, but loose tobacco is facing the most significant change — from a $1.10 per pound tax to a whopping $24.78 per pound tax.

That was from an article I read about two or three months ago. Verified this for myself at the local tobacco store. A 1lb bag of tobacco went from about 6 bucks a pound to 35 or so.

Yes. Loose tobacco taxes did go up. My cigarette store guy told me that. But it's still a whole lot cheaper than buying a Carton.

The 6 oz can I buy makes more than a carton and is now $19.98 with all state local and Fed tobacco taxes included, it used to be iirc $9.98 (I was still buying my Camels then). But a carton of non filter Camels in my county is over $70.00 now. And in nearby Chicago they're over $90.00

hmmm some enterprising person could make a nice profit that way. wonder if the Chicago Outfit has thought about that? they sure could use the money now. /s

97 posted on 05/12/2009 6:31:53 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I’d give a donation to my Congressman to counter this with an amendment to tax Colt 45.

Works every time.


98 posted on 05/12/2009 6:35:47 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: PghBaldy

Obama was never dreaming about his father, he was dreaming how to infomericals demonstrating how he could exponentially increase spending and revenues once he became king hussein.

Hmmm let’s see. What do the serfs like the most? Well they like their beer, their tv, their sodas, and yea, their smokes. Uhmmm. Now there is a list of income sources that will be endless. No true american serf will ever give up any of their favorite things.


99 posted on 05/12/2009 6:36:40 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: PghBaldy

WHAT ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL TAX ON COFFEE ??

CAFFEINE IS BAD FOR YOU AND OUGHT TO BE DISCOURAGED.

HEY, SINCE THE RICH CAN AFFORD ESPRESSO AND CAPUCCINO, THAT’s THE NEXT LOGICAL PRODUCT TO TAX AS WELL.

ANY TAKERS ?


100 posted on 05/12/2009 6:42:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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