Skip to comments.Just for fun: Obama's con law exam
Posted on 05/19/2009 7:10:23 AM PDT by ml/nj
University of Chicago. Con Law III. Autumn 1996. The exam is here.
Explanations are here.
Fascinating. Thanks for posting. That is so unreal..in this day and age..
Barack couldn’t have written this..................he is not that smart
How come no one from Harvard remembers him
So what's your supposition then? Do you think someone else has created these recently? The memo seems particularly unlikely to have been "borrowed" if it was actually distributed to his class.
” What is safe to say is that the views of particular justices on the desirability of rearing in children in homosexual households would play a big part in the decision.,”
Obama’s USSC candidate litmus test?
Prolly both. Don't be too impressed. I know a college professor and exams are traded and shared freely about. Indeed, some text providers provide exams for the teachers to use. Let me see his grades, to the extent they show smarts...
I was not one who thought the "natural born citizen" requirement was a political question, but many "scholars" were of that opinion.
Our Founders set up an amazing system of government, but in the end our nation is only as good as its people.
Arrogance, corruption, and the need for power have lead to the unmitigated disregard for the duty to uphold the Constitution by recognizing the limitation on governmental power.
I guess I was asking about the memo. Obviously it's easy to "borrow" test questions.
Those too are shared, I would think. Gotta run, have a good day...
Everyone remembers him at Harvard. He was elected the editor of the Law Review. There are plenty of Obama’s Harvard friend’s who are working in his current administration.
Maybe, maybe not. At Virginia Tech, at least, every professor was required to keep all their previous tests and exams on file at the library. It was a goldmine of a resource when you were studying for finals.
Even without a system like that, profs often share their finals when multiple professors teach the same class. It's just professional courtesy.
I guess I'm just not making my self clear. I'm talking about the memo, NOT THE TEST. When I went to school, all the old tests were on file at the library too. The memo is something specific to the tests the students turned in, or so it seems to me. Memos like this one were NOT ON FILE any place where I knew about.
I don’t think lay opinion matters here. Conduct an experiment on this text and seek opinions from working legal scholars. Whoever wrote this did not have an editor copyedit it — as an editor myself, I am sure of that. So I’m not particularly impressed with the writing itself, and I’ve seen a lot of legal writing.
It is your attitude that neither I nor anyone else here at FR is worthy of your lofty "precision," that offends me.
Thanks, ML/NJ, for explaining.I really didn’t mean it that way, but I can see now how my comment could be taken that way. I probably should have chosen better words. The writing in the memo is, indeed, good writing, on balance. Whether it is *outstanding* in the realm of legal writing is another question. I meant only to suggest that its legal quality may be quite pedestrian, though to us non-lawyers it may sound otherwise.
I’ve read a tremendous number of legal pleadings and legal analyses, and I think that when one employs the process of analysis that lawyers use, the product is quite frequently very impressive qua writing, but the legal thought may not necessarily be especially notable.
My sense is that in this case, without any authenticated writing of Obama against which to compare a text, it is impossible to tell the authorship of the memo.
That said, however, some people who are not able to extemporaneously speak well are indeed able to compose text, given enough time. I would not be surprised if this was authentically a text Obama wrote. Lawyers become practiced in preparing precisely these types of text, so whether this example is especially good or not, I think only a lawyer could adequately judge.
Does that clarify at all what I am thinking?
In other words, if he wrote this, I am not about to change my assessment of him. I have no doubt that he is capable of legal analysis, and think it highly likely that he has the ability, given enough time, to write coherently.
But maybe he didn’t write this. I don’t think there’s a way of finding out, unless someone comes forward with evidence of some kind. But as for its *quality,* I feel that I am incompetent to judge it other than to say what I’ve said above — it could be simple legal analysis rather than anything special. The memo itself indicates that there is a known body of applicable case law that was evidently studied in the class, so it’s also possible that the questions itself wasn’t even all that difficult to a law student who paid attention in class and did all the readings. Law is a lot like any other discipline, and it’s not really as esoteric as some would like to make out. In a sense it’s like science: You develop an argument and you test the evidence (precedent, etc.) to see if it supports your claim.
Anyway, sorry to be so longwinded. I almost went to law school and worked for lawyers for a good number of years.
you have to be kidding me?
imagine the fraud being perpetrated .. imnagine if he never went to a class at all.
No on knows him?
Hell, I was like on the top 10 list of my class .. wanted perhaps, but still on the top 10!
Thanks for posting that.
No, all "State of Wazoo's" refer to Obama's law exam. Wazoo can refer to the rear end of an animal, out the wazoo, which is an unlikely name for a State.
Rasool Allah ( S.A.W.) has proclaimed:
1. The person who is always in a state of wazoo, Allah will increase his livelihood!
2. The person who doesn't reveal his needs to others, his needs are soon fulfilled!
3. Allah Ta-ala keeps that person healthy and happy (abaad) who after listening to Hadith forwards it to others!
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