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Just for fun: Obama's con law exam
ZDNet Government ^ | May 18, 2009 | Richard Koman

Posted on 05/19/2009 7:10:23 AM PDT by ml/nj

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To: Beckwith

Fascinating. Thanks for posting. That is so unreal..in this day and age..


21 posted on 05/19/2009 8:06:26 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ml/nj

Barack couldn’t have written this..................he is not that smart


22 posted on 05/19/2009 8:26:46 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Beckwith

How come no one from Harvard remembers him


23 posted on 05/19/2009 8:27:53 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: yldstrk
Barack couldn’t have written this..................he is not that smart

So what's your supposition then? Do you think someone else has created these recently? The memo seems particularly unlikely to have been "borrowed" if it was actually distributed to his class.

ML/NJ

24 posted on 05/19/2009 8:32:42 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

” What is safe to say is that the views of particular justices on the desirability of rearing in children in homosexual households would play a big part in the decision.,”

Obama’s USSC candidate litmus test?


25 posted on 05/19/2009 8:36:55 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: ml/nj
"Do you think Obama wrote this, or do you think he did not?"

Prolly both. Don't be too impressed. I know a college professor and exams are traded and shared freely about. Indeed, some text providers provide exams for the teachers to use. Let me see his grades, to the extent they show smarts...

26 posted on 05/19/2009 8:47:37 AM PDT by eureka! (Elections have consequences, boy howdy. *sigh*)
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To: Jack Black
Some of us that know the Constitution recognize that while the federal government does things it is not authorized to do, we have very little remedy outside the political realm. Just like the birth certificate issue unfortunately.

I was not one who thought the "natural born citizen" requirement was a political question, but many "scholars" were of that opinion.

Our Founders set up an amazing system of government, but in the end our nation is only as good as its people.

Arrogance, corruption, and the need for power have lead to the unmitigated disregard for the duty to uphold the Constitution by recognizing the limitation on governmental power.

27 posted on 05/19/2009 8:50:57 AM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: eureka!
I know a college professor and exams are traded and shared freely about.

I guess I was asking about the memo. Obviously it's easy to "borrow" test questions.

ML/NJ

28 posted on 05/19/2009 8:54:12 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Those too are shared, I would think. Gotta run, have a good day...


29 posted on 05/19/2009 9:02:56 AM PDT by eureka! (Elections have consequences, boy howdy. *sigh*)
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To: yldstrk

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/28/at_harvard_law_a_unifying_voice/

Everyone remembers him at Harvard. He was elected the editor of the Law Review. There are plenty of Obama’s Harvard friend’s who are working in his current administration.


30 posted on 05/19/2009 9:16:22 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: ml/nj
Do you think Obama wrote this, or do you think he did not?

Maybe, maybe not. At Virginia Tech, at least, every professor was required to keep all their previous tests and exams on file at the library. It was a goldmine of a resource when you were studying for finals.

Even without a system like that, profs often share their finals when multiple professors teach the same class. It's just professional courtesy.

31 posted on 05/19/2009 9:19:39 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: Terabitten
Maybe, maybe not. At Virginia Tech, at least, every professor was required to keep all their previous tests and exams on file at the library.

I guess I'm just not making my self clear. I'm talking about the memo, NOT THE TEST. When I went to school, all the old tests were on file at the library too. The memo is something specific to the tests the students turned in, or so it seems to me. Memos like this one were NOT ON FILE any place where I knew about.

ML/NJ

32 posted on 05/19/2009 10:00:34 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

I don’t think lay opinion matters here. Conduct an experiment on this text and seek opinions from working legal scholars. Whoever wrote this did not have an editor copyedit it — as an editor myself, I am sure of that. So I’m not particularly impressed with the writing itself, and I’ve seen a lot of legal writing.


33 posted on 05/19/2009 1:12:16 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor
You know what, I'm not very impressed with your writing. You don't think lay opinion matters but I should conduct an "experiment." Do you even know what the word experiment means? (Hint: You don't conduct them by seeking opinions.) Some editor! LOL!

ML/NJ

34 posted on 05/19/2009 2:01:58 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
You know what, I'm not very impressed with your writing. You don't think lay opinion matters but I should conduct an "experiment." Do you even know what the word experiment means? (Hint: You don't conduct them by seeking opinions.) Some editor! LOL! Do you feel I insulted you by calling you "lay"? I certainly didn't mean to imply anything negative about you personally. I think a forum like this, by the way, is pretty informal, so I don't demand perfection of expression from myself. I also think most people would understand what I was getting at -- the idea that lawyers would give you a better idea of the quality than non-lawyers. I am really sorry that what I said offended you.
35 posted on 05/19/2009 2:07:06 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor
FTR, I am a lay person when it comes to the law, and to the analysis of someone's writing. So, no I wasn't offended by that in the slightest.

It is your attitude that neither I nor anyone else here at FR is worthy of your lofty "precision," that offends me.

ML/NJ

36 posted on 05/19/2009 2:31:05 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Thanks, ML/NJ, for explaining.I really didn’t mean it that way, but I can see now how my comment could be taken that way. I probably should have chosen better words. The writing in the memo is, indeed, good writing, on balance. Whether it is *outstanding* in the realm of legal writing is another question. I meant only to suggest that its legal quality may be quite pedestrian, though to us non-lawyers it may sound otherwise.

I’ve read a tremendous number of legal pleadings and legal analyses, and I think that when one employs the process of analysis that lawyers use, the product is quite frequently very impressive qua writing, but the legal thought may not necessarily be especially notable.

My sense is that in this case, without any authenticated writing of Obama against which to compare a text, it is impossible to tell the authorship of the memo.

That said, however, some people who are not able to extemporaneously speak well are indeed able to compose text, given enough time. I would not be surprised if this was authentically a text Obama wrote. Lawyers become practiced in preparing precisely these types of text, so whether this example is especially good or not, I think only a lawyer could adequately judge.

Does that clarify at all what I am thinking?

In other words, if he wrote this, I am not about to change my assessment of him. I have no doubt that he is capable of legal analysis, and think it highly likely that he has the ability, given enough time, to write coherently.

But maybe he didn’t write this. I don’t think there’s a way of finding out, unless someone comes forward with evidence of some kind. But as for its *quality,* I feel that I am incompetent to judge it other than to say what I’ve said above — it could be simple legal analysis rather than anything special. The memo itself indicates that there is a known body of applicable case law that was evidently studied in the class, so it’s also possible that the questions itself wasn’t even all that difficult to a law student who paid attention in class and did all the readings. Law is a lot like any other discipline, and it’s not really as esoteric as some would like to make out. In a sense it’s like science: You develop an argument and you test the evidence (precedent, etc.) to see if it supports your claim.

Anyway, sorry to be so longwinded. I almost went to law school and worked for lawyers for a good number of years.


37 posted on 05/19/2009 3:05:09 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Beckwith

you have to be kidding me?

imagine the fraud being perpetrated .. imnagine if he never went to a class at all.
No on knows him?

Hell, I was like on the top 10 list of my class .. wanted perhaps, but still on the top 10!


38 posted on 05/19/2009 11:10:23 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Beckwith

Thanks for posting that.


39 posted on 07/29/2009 4:33:18 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: ml/nj
I Googled the "State of Wazoo", to see if Wazoo serves in Law exams as a generic example of a State, as does a widget for products in economics.

No, all "State of Wazoo's" refer to Obama's law exam. Wazoo can refer to the rear end of an animal, out the wazoo, which is an unlikely name for a State.

The other State of Wazoo Obama likely picked up in his stint in an Islamic school. It is an Muslim ablution cleaning ritual, done correctly, the Muslim will be in a State of Wazoo.

Rasool Allah ( S.A.W.) has proclaimed:

1. The person who is always in a state of wazoo, Allah will increase his livelihood!
2. The person who doesn't reveal his needs to others, his needs are soon fulfilled!
3. Allah Ta-ala keeps that person healthy and happy (abaad) who after listening to Hadith forwards it to others!

40 posted on 07/29/2009 4:49:19 PM PDT by Plutarch
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