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Live Thread: Obama vs. Cheney
Thursday, May 21, 2009 | Kristinn

Posted on 05/21/2009 7:11:47 AM PDT by kristinn

Obama goes first in a few minutes. He's speaking at the rotunda of the National Archives (you think we could get Nicholas Cage on that birth certificate thingey?) on his Gitmo policy and other man-caused calamities.

Vice President Cheney gets the rebuttal time. He's speaking at the American Enterprise Institute around 10:45 a.m. EDT.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bho44; cheney; clubgitmo; detainees; gitmo; nationalsecurity; obama
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To: Sparko
“I have to honest here” - Obama When someone says that toward the end of a speech, you always wonder how much he lied in all the previous minutes or hours.

"I have to be honest," is equivalent to a red flag.

251 posted on 05/21/2009 8:00:20 AM PDT by syriacus (Obama's MIDDLE GROUND on abortion is a "FREE FIRE ZONE." What's his middle ground on racism?)
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To: roses of sharon

I agree with Rubin’s remarks. Imho, Obama is playing legal games.

Obama is a devisive political force in this country. He is not a unifier, but is intent on politicizing and dividing the US.

Furthermore, if we put these terrorists in our prison system, they will attempt to radicalize other prisoners. That is what happened to the four perps who were arrested last night in New York by the FBI. The perps became Muslim and were radicalized in prison.


252 posted on 05/21/2009 8:00:26 AM PDT by khnyny ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Carley

Holy Crap. “I am not the only person in this city who swore to uphold the Constitution.”

He is so full of sh*t.


253 posted on 05/21/2009 8:00:43 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick
Love it!

Hussein sounds like Oprah, touchy, feeble, and childlike. This is what modern day Americans adore.

They do not know that his real goal is to weaken the US, to reduce US and Israeli power.

254 posted on 05/21/2009 8:00:54 AM PDT by roses of sharon (NOTRE DAMIAN: ABORTION, YES WE CAN!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obama is an ass. He is the one along with the Dems who politicized Gitmo. He is the one who released the CIA memos. He is the one who was going to release the photos and then at the last minute, backed down.


255 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: CheneyChick

Don’t hold back, CC.


256 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:16 AM PDT by Sparko
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To: mewzilla

Anyone here remember Lynn Stewart and the harm she brought to America. And can anyone explain why she still walks free after her conviction.

I guess she’s O’s pick for the newest terrorists brought to NYC.


257 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:23 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: paulycy
He may regret this speech for a long time to come.

He's already worried about the soundbite commercials being used against him!

258 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:34 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it.)
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To: ken5050

“He just mentioned Osama..first time since the election....didn’t he promise to get him ?...”

I guess he “changed.”


259 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:37 AM PDT by maggief
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To: ken5050

Amazing the loyalty he feels to the Gitmo terrorists.


260 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:40 AM PDT by sirjohn
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To: kabar
He is way down in the weeds on this one.

It's all hindsight on Obama's part. That's all the Rats have had on national security for the past eight years. He will hide behind the "mistakes" of the previous administration, that had to innovate to keep America safe, for as long as he can.
261 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:42 AM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: kempster
i was under the impression that the detainees in Guantanamo had already been determined to be a threat to our safety.

Yep!

262 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:43 AM PDT by syriacus (Obama's MIDDLE GROUND on abortion is a "FREE FIRE ZONE." What's his middle ground on racism?)
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To: Sparko

I am holding back. Sorry.

That oath means something to me.


263 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:53 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I think that ‘06 and ‘08 were warning shots.

People were ticked off over the way Republicans spent and governed so they booted their butts to the curb.

Now people are starting to get pissed because the Democrats are Republicans on steroids.

I don’t believe for a second that what Obama is delivering is what the majority of his voters had in mind.


264 posted on 05/21/2009 8:01:56 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: McGruff
This is friggin painful to watch...OMG.

Bring on Cheney.

sw

265 posted on 05/21/2009 8:02:10 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: All

Everytime he brings up the Constitution, I want to throw up. Words — just words!


266 posted on 05/21/2009 8:02:31 AM PDT by Exit148 (a)
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To: CheneyChick

During W’s 8 years, I don’t think he ever referred tot he “Clinton administration” by name...every time Zero says Bush, it’s with a sneer..


267 posted on 05/21/2009 8:02:54 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: linn37

When did he end interrogation techniques... or rendition for that matter. Where’s the location of the Gitmo replacement, where are the plans?

In case he doesn’t care (as usual), prisoners are being let out of prisons due to overcrowding and lack of state funds.

What he says and what he does are opposites. Very Alinsky.

It doesn’t help that he’s a malignant narcissist.

The plan is to get the jihadis off.

They have truly elected the enemy.

He speaks in front of the constitution at the National Archives. A real kick in the teeth.


268 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:03 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: roses of sharon

I was just about to say that Oprah is president!


269 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:07 AM PDT by cdchik123
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To: Girlene

I wonder if Obama’s teleprompter got an advance copy of Cheney’s speech so the One could pre-but it? We know we are witnessing criminal minds at work, so I bet his speechwriters have used Cheney’s speech in this one we are watching now.

Obama is making no sense, as usual, because he presents himself as being on both sides of every issue. He often does it in one sentence or one paragraph.


270 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:08 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: tapatio

oh he will change his mind tommorrow on everything he said today


271 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:20 AM PDT by angelcindy (c)
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To: CheneyChick
Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense while Obama was still screwing around with organizing communities.....

And immersing himself in Reverend Wrights poisonous Anti-American, racist diatribes.

272 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:27 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What Obama says may be the case...so moving these scumbags to USA turf will make these terrorists love us and strengthen National Security????

How absolutely, utterly stupid...Where's the logic??

273 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Porterville

And who damned our troops. DEMONRATS every time.

Durbin, Kennedy, Kerry. Ugly traitors.


274 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:40 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: maggief

Obama speaks out of both sides of his mouth. What about the “rule of law” regarding the Chrysler debacle?


275 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:40 AM PDT by khnyny ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: CheneyChick
Obama is laying this all on “The Bush Administration”. George W. Bush needs to get out there respond to these attacks on his administration.
276 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:43 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Neverforget01

I, I, I...me, me, me...my, my, my...I, I, I...it’s all about me!!


277 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:46 AM PDT by MisterI
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To: AliVeritas

His arrogance is absolutely astonishing.


278 posted on 05/21/2009 8:03:55 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Sacajaweau

There is no logic.


279 posted on 05/21/2009 8:04:04 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: ken5050

astute observation, ken.


280 posted on 05/21/2009 8:04:04 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: angelcindy

Now this bozo claims he was never for releasing the torture photos.....oh boy.


281 posted on 05/21/2009 8:04:08 AM PDT by linn37
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To: spectre

Right now, there are about 200 Dem senators and reps who are shitting bricks, because the screws are going to come down on them..Obama is going to call on Congress to support him..


282 posted on 05/21/2009 8:04:10 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: kristinn

foxnews.com now running a live feed from the AEI venue


283 posted on 05/21/2009 8:04:40 AM PDT by jcb2009 ((I can't tell who the Chi-Coms are anymore))
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To: spectre
My thoughts EXACTLY....bring on Cheney....in fact, RIGHT ONTO THIS STAGE...face-to-face debate and this little puke thug will fold.

I'm so bored...WE WANT CHENEY...WE WANT CHENEY!!!

284 posted on 05/21/2009 8:04:42 AM PDT by NordP (BHO's new book, "To Serve Man/United States" --- NO NO NO....RUN....it's a COOKBOOK!)
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To: khnyny

I’d bring up his COLB but I might get chased out of here. :)


285 posted on 05/21/2009 8:04:54 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief; DungeonMaster
WOW, I LOVE that photograph. It's a keeper! When they said a picture is worth a thousand words, that's the one they meant.

[ ping, and here's the URL so our dialed-up FRiend doesn't have to load the entire thread:
http://needlenose.com/i/swopa/BushObamaCheney_Inauguration.png ]

286 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:08 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: khnyny
Is he going to cry like little bitch every-time he loses in the House?

What a little girl. USA elected a fifth grade kenyan blond chick.

287 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:26 AM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum)
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To: anniegetyourgun

DOW dropping as his speech goes on.


288 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:32 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: MisterI

Transparency meaning revealing every supposedly damaging bit of information AGAINST the Bush administration.

Damned lying POS


289 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:32 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: roses of sharon
Hussein sounds like Oprah, touchy, feeble, and childlike.

So true. Vice President Cheney should follow up his speech with a call to 0_bama to debate this issue face to face. Of course Pres__ent 0_bama will refuse and it will serve to highlight further how weak he is.

290 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:36 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Roccus
B. Obama, “...it’s (the Constitution) is a flawed document....”

I'm sure he thinks likewise of The Bible.

291 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:38 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: PerConPat
I was mistaken about the Senate vote on closing Gitmo as being a ploy by Obama to have it both ways, i.e., he tried to close it but the Senate was the bad cop and would not allow it. I have changed my mind. This guy is so thin skinned that he will respond to any criticism in this way. He takes responsibility for nothing. He blames Bush and others for everything.

Now he must make this political theater to respond to the criticism from the Left. He wants it both ways again.

292 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:43 AM PDT by kabar
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To: anniegetyourgun

I guess Cheney won’t get the memos he’s seeking...


293 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:01 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Carley
Anyone here remember Lynn Stewart and the harm she brought to America.

Yes! Someone mentioned, yesterday, that there is a possibility of terrorists in prisons on US soil being able to control happenings both inside and outside the prisons.

They don't need to escape in order to cause harm. Mob bosses and drug lords organize crimes from within prison.

294 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:11 AM PDT by syriacus (Obama's MIDDLE GROUND on abortion is a "FREE FIRE ZONE." What's his middle ground on racism?)
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To: ken5050
Right now, there are about 200 Dem senators and reps who are shitting bricks,

That would be the Constituion Obama keeps referring too.

sw

295 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:17 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: kristinn
Obama goes first in a few minutes. He's speaking

Whine, whine, whine. Every screw up Oboma has ever made is always Bush's fault. It's really getting old.

I'll bet up until the very day he was affermatived into the presidency, he blamed his mother for everything, too.

Oboma is such a whiner!

296 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:18 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: linn37
Now this bozo claims he was never for releasing the torture photos.....oh boy.

Good. Gad. Wow. Paging Dr. Krauthammer...I'd love his opinion on this performance, and not just on the politics.

297 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:20 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: NordP

I have to say...this is the FIRST time I’ve ever heard Obama sound defensive. He knows he’s in deep sh**.


298 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:21 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it.)
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To: linn37

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.


299 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:28 AM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
I agree - people are angry at what they (correctly) view as a complete disconnect between themselves and the political elites, and, moreover, at the utter contempt those elites have for the opinions and concerns of ordinary people.

This includes some Democrats as well as Republicans, and increasingly, independent voters, all of whom: want their country back. They want the schools to start teaching - and stop indoctrinating - their children. They want America to make and build things again. They want the government to stop telling them what they can drive and buy and eat. They want politicians to stop taxing and spending their money on things and ideas they detest. They want the government to close the borders and stop subsidizing illegal aliens and criminal behavior. They've had it up to here.

And now, they need a voice, and a leader.

300 posted on 05/21/2009 8:06:40 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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