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Honda Insight Hybrid [American Drivers Get Ready]
Sunday Times (London) ^ | May 17, '09 | Jeremy Clarkson

Posted on 05/23/2009 1:04:17 PM PDT by T.L.Sink

Much has been written about the Insight, Honda's new low-priced hybrid. So far, though, you have not been told what it's like as a car; as a tool for moving you, your friends and your things from place to place. So here it comes. It's terrible. Biblically terrible. It doesn't work. Acceleration is poor. And the sound is worse. So you're sitting there with the engine screaming its head off, and your ears bleeding, and you're doing only 23 mph and you're thinking things can't get any worse, and then they do because you run over a small piece of grit. There's more. Normally, Hondas feel as though they've been screwed together by eye surgeons. This model, however, feels as if it's been made from steel so thin, you could read through it. And the seats, finished in pleblon, are designed specifically, it seems, to ruin your skeleton.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: automakers; cafe; chat; honda; hybrids
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To: Nathan Zachary

I wouldn’t have an electric, hybrid, or small vehicle if it was free.


51 posted on 05/23/2009 2:24:14 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Trueblackman

No probs! ;-)


52 posted on 05/23/2009 2:24:31 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Does that include the soft-serve ice cream machine and chilled salad bar? LOL!

Actually, that’s not too bad, considering I’ve never paid more than $10K for a car in 33 years. ;)


53 posted on 05/23/2009 2:24:40 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Interesting. A question for anybody: Since Mercedes, Volvo, Jaguar, and a host of “foreign” cars are owned by American firms what’s to prevent Congress from requiring them to conform to our CAFE standards for import to the domestic market?


54 posted on 05/23/2009 2:25:35 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Isabel C.

Arrest the squashed one for impeading traffic!


55 posted on 05/23/2009 2:25:43 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Impala64ssa

If they are going to sell Tatas in the US, they will need to enhance them with silicone.


56 posted on 05/23/2009 2:26:59 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

HA! HA! “Many a truth is said in jest.” - Shakespeare


57 posted on 05/23/2009 2:27:56 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: MediaMole
"If they are going to sell Tatas in the US, they will need to enhance them with silicone."

by the time they put air bags and all the other government mandated garbage on them,plus Obama tax, they'll cost $30,000. We could have a lot of nice cars in this country if it wasn't for the government.

58 posted on 05/23/2009 2:30:28 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: mylife

Very appropriate! I’ve heard that on Rush’s program and, as usual, he gets it right.


59 posted on 05/23/2009 2:30:49 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"Actually, that’s not too bad, considering I’ve never paid more than $10K for a car in 33 years. ;)"

It's a crime what vehicles cost these days. I remember buying a new corvetter in 1979 for $9,800.

I paid $48,000 for my 2005 F250

60 posted on 05/23/2009 2:33:03 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I paid $48K for my first HOUSE, LOL!


61 posted on 05/23/2009 2:34:04 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: knarf

My guess is that when forced to design something that’s aerodynamically styled and almost weightless to get more mpg - you always end up with a flying potato.


62 posted on 05/23/2009 2:35:44 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: org.whodat

Hey ,I am on your side man. I hope you buy one.


63 posted on 05/23/2009 2:40:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Nah...the Volt is how Hybrids should be built. It’s designed to use electricity first then gas as needed. The drivetrain is designed around the electric motor so there’s no mixed drivetrain which causes awful acceleration.


64 posted on 05/23/2009 2:41:55 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: T.L.Sink
"My guess is that when forced to design something that’s aerodynamically styled and almost weightless to get more mpg - you always end up with a flying potato."

An expensive flying potato that isn't worth $100 by weight for salvage of the steel it contains.

65 posted on 05/23/2009 2:43:10 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Bogey78O

No, the Lightning is how electric vehicles should be built.

Hybrids don’t save anything, they are even more environmentally taxing than a regular gas powered puddle jumper.


66 posted on 05/23/2009 2:45:56 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: org.whodat

“you either know something are you don’t where the link”?

Huh?


67 posted on 05/23/2009 2:48:38 PM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: Venturer

Right, but what will those imports look like if they have to conform to American CAFE standards of 39 mpg? The American market is too big for them to ignore. This is likely because many of those models are assembled here and could be legally forced to comply. Don’t put anything past the liberals in Congress.


68 posted on 05/23/2009 2:49:11 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Zakeet

I’m laughing so hard I can hardly type! I’m going to move on fast because if I look at it too long I’ll start crying!


69 posted on 05/23/2009 2:54:35 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: org.whodat

The puts the torque in the area of a 6 good cylinder and the horsepower in the area of a good 4 cylinder.

It’s speed and performance really isn’t much of an issue. I remember early 4 cylinders had so little torque that you could almost hold them in place if the person didn’t gun the engine.

My parents had a Datsun way back when that they’d have to gun it just to get over the curb into the driveway.


70 posted on 05/23/2009 2:54:54 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: T.L.Sink

Another question is what about Ford.

Their stock has surged since they didnt take the bailout and they are doing well right now

The question is what will the government do to force Ford to produce the same junk GM and Chrysler will be forced to produce.

Ford’s success in not taking the bailout makes one wonder about what would have happened to GM and Chrysler if they had gotten no bailout. Would they have found funding elsewhere?


71 posted on 05/23/2009 2:55:10 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Nathan Zachary

If you were to buy it in 2020, it would be a LOT cheaper.


72 posted on 05/23/2009 2:55:50 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

The European version of the Volt is the Ampera. IIRC there is no American version of the spark.


73 posted on 05/23/2009 2:56:10 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Venturer
"The question is what will the government do to force Ford to produce the same junk GM and Chrysler will be forced to produce."

Good question. But I fear the answer is kill foreign competion and allow Ford to up it's sticker prices to keep in line with Government Motors.

74 posted on 05/23/2009 2:58:28 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I don’t care about saving the environment. I want a car that is designed not to depend on a specific fuel. The Volt is the way to go on a hybrid. The Lightning and the Tesla are great cars, but they’re too expensive and impractical at this point for most people.


75 posted on 05/23/2009 2:59:01 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: DoughtyOne

What impressed me is that the writer is a Brit and is much more used to seeing and driving this sort of crap than we Americans. And when a EURO says it’s dangerous, uncomfortable junk - believe it!


76 posted on 05/23/2009 3:00:34 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Bogey78O
"I don’t care about saving the environment. I want a car that is designed not to depend on a specific fuel."

Depends on Gasoline, doesn't it. And it SUCKS. I'd rather drive a 6.1 hemi V8 that has had it's compression upped to about 17:1 and burns cheap ethanol $1.04 a gallon (wholesale) and puts out 600hp of raw wheel smoking horsepower. (and is environmentally friendly to keep the geeks off my back)

77 posted on 05/23/2009 3:04:14 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: T.L.Sink

Folks here need to realize the article was written by Jeremy Clarkson (one of the last sane minds in the UK - by way of sheer insanity!?). If you don’t know what that means, you need to do some research (and watch a couple of dozen episodes of Top Gear). Hint: most people who know his work don’t need to see “/sarc” “tags” or other such stupidity to understand what he’s on about.


78 posted on 05/23/2009 3:04:48 PM PDT by Moltke
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To: Venturer

No, not if they maintained their current cost structure with the union wages and benefits. Now, if they had just gone Chapter 11 from the start, and with no government involvement—that would have been another story. I believe you would have seen massive private capital put up to restart the company quickly.


79 posted on 05/23/2009 3:08:25 PM PDT by mtrott
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To: mtrott

I will never EVER, buy a car from Government Motors, and support that commie union. NEVER.

You are absolutely right. Had GM gone Chapter 11 and dismissed that anchor, then it would be a different story.


80 posted on 05/23/2009 3:11:34 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

too bad obami isn’t in one of these


81 posted on 05/23/2009 3:14:21 PM PDT by bfree (Obamie the Commie-- FBO)
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To: org.whodat

Thanks for that reference. I never attended the Wharton School but I did my graduate work at Penn so I’m already half convinced! Actually, I think the worst option is the one being forced on us now. It’s the semi-nationalization of the banking and auto manufacturing industries which (I’m NOT being alarmist!) is definitely a version of fascism. I think this bodes ill for the future of the American free enterprise economic system.


82 posted on 05/23/2009 3:17:06 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Man, I love it when Brit writers tear into something. Much better than American writers in my opinion.


83 posted on 05/23/2009 3:17:42 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: T.L.Sink

Not only is the writer a Brit, he probably the ONE Brit who’d know the insides of a car better than anyone...Jeremy Clarkson, one of the three hosts of the UK’s “Top Gear” show.

These guys test cars (among other things) for a living, and usually make it entertaining when they do. For instance, Jeremy took a Ford Fiesta (Europe-only Ford vehicle, about the size of a Focus) and actually had it loaded aboard a Royal Navy landing craft, and the other three passengers were British Royal Marines. The Marines were holding a landing exercise. Clarkson actually drove the car off the landing craft amongst the tanks and other Marines on foot, through the surf, and onto the beach, where the Marines got out and did their thing. I was laughing so hard I was crying.

In any case...if Jeremy Clarkson says a car is a worthless piece of crap, believe him and avoid that car like the plague


84 posted on 05/23/2009 3:19:41 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Obama: slowly sucking the positive attitude out of the US since 11-4-08)
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To: Venturer

I think old Henry Ford, Sr. junped with joy in his grave at River Rouge for not taking that bailout money! But my fear is that when the CAFE standards become law, Ford will be forced to comply. As I said to another FReeper, I think we’re definitely on a path to fascism with the quasi-nationalization of our banking and auto manufacturing industries. Obama is, in effect, CEO of GM and Chrysler. Maybe “commissar” woulds be a better word!


85 posted on 05/23/2009 3:40:13 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: saganite

I agree. My favorite Brit “hero” now is that guy Hannon who is denouncing the failed socialism in Britain. He’s been on Rush, Hannity, YouTube, etc. Have you seen him? He’s articulate, smart, blunt and offers America a warning we should all heed.


86 posted on 05/23/2009 3:48:18 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Nathan Zachary

It depends on gas out the factory. The engine is a secondary system and it’ll probably be as difficult as doing any engine swap. Since the secondary fuel is gas it’s of less primary importance.

Ethanol is cheap because it’s subsidized. And ethanol isn’t really all that environmentally friendly in the way that we do it.


87 posted on 05/23/2009 3:59:55 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Bogey78O

Actually scratch that. It doesn’t “depend” on gas unless you go over the range limit.


88 posted on 05/23/2009 4:02:36 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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89 posted on 05/23/2009 4:15:11 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: T.L.Sink

That’s a valid point to be sure. They do see more of the smaller cars than we do.


90 posted on 05/23/2009 5:27:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Zakeet

Given the logo, I assume those are teleprompters out front...


91 posted on 05/23/2009 6:41:20 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Price?


92 posted on 05/23/2009 6:51:24 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Not sure what the price tag is now...we have had ours for about three years or so and got a nice tax credit when we bought it. The vehicle we had before that was a Dodge Caravan which I hated. Probably because it was a mini van and I pride myself as a fairly tough guy.

The Escape has room for the kids and space to haul other items in the back, and is not overly large. Does well in the snow during my NW Indiana winters and I am a big fan of the hybrid technology.

It is primarily my wife’s vehicle and I get stuck with the Chevy Aveo. Talk about a tin can on wheels. I only use it to get myself around town. If we hit the road we take the Escape.


93 posted on 05/23/2009 8:24:12 PM PDT by squidward
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To: Nathan Zachary
“It's a crime what vehicles cost these days. I remember buying a new corvetter in 1979 for $9,800.

I paid $48,000 for my 2005 F250”

TV Land will sometimes play old commercials when I watch Andy Griffith, which is the best show of all time, but that's another topic. I remember seeing a commercial for a Thunderbird or something similar for around $3000. Just shook my head in disbelief

94 posted on 05/23/2009 8:33:18 PM PDT by squidward
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To: squidward; Nathan Zachary

When my dear old Dad bought his 1959 Chevy Impala convertible brand new it cost him around $3200 , with the 348 engine and, except for air and power windows, most of the other bells and whistles. Back in those days anyone who spent more than 3k on a Chevy could be declared legally insane.


95 posted on 05/24/2009 4:03:43 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: freekitty

We need to start a running tally, a daily count of highway deaths attributable to CAFE standards. It should read, X number of people gave their lives on US highways today, for the sake of CAFE standards. Obama lied, People died.


96 posted on 05/24/2009 1:56:39 PM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: Eva

We could put a sign out that says one of the many ways Obama has devised for you to perish.


97 posted on 05/24/2009 3:21:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

Maybe it’s just another way for the liberals to practice eugenics, like a form of very late term abortion. They probably think that anyone who is stupid enough to buy one of those death traps, deserves to die in one.


98 posted on 05/24/2009 4:47:33 PM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: Eva

I agree. The Yugo is back.


99 posted on 05/24/2009 6:37:35 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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