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Darwinism and the Nazi race Holocaust
CMI ^ | Jerry Bergman, Ph.D.

Posted on 05/27/2009 8:24:54 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Darwinism and the Nazi race Holocaust

by Jerry Bergman

Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’...

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To: Pistolshot; metmom; GodGunsGuts; valkyry1; Fichori; CottShop; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; MrB; ...

Careful, next thing you know that small facist group will start calling you a liberal


Ummm, evolution is plainly the liberal position.

And that’s easily apparent with rabid hissy fit matthews on your side of the aisle not to mention:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html

Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts

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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63

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http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties

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http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/


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So if there’s a “small fascist group” on FR, it’s the evo-liberals posting nonsensical lies that would make Josef Goebbels proud indeed. Repeat the lie often enough eh?


51 posted on 05/28/2009 5:24:30 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
LOL! Being called a “liberal” is the grown-up FRee Republic equivalent of being called a “poo-face” or a “meany” when you’re a kid. It smarts a little the first time but loses its sting when the adults are around.

It's like being called a racist by Al Sharpton.

52 posted on 05/28/2009 5:27:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther; metmom; GodGunsGuts; MrB; CottShop; valkyry1; Alamo-Girl; Fichori; betty boop

I’m not sure what part is surreal.

I never claimed he was a “Christian” - he may have thought himself as a Christian - but that doesn’t mean anyone else has to think so. Many don’t consider the Pope the Christian.

But what is clear - from his book, his speeches, and the piles of papers we have recording just about everything he said out loud - that he believed that the God of the Bible created life on earth as is, that speciation is impossible, and that change can only occur within rigidly defined “kinds”. It’s also clear that he hated materialistic ideas for the origin of life.

If anyone is trying to claim that “down is up” it’s in trying to call someone with THOSE beliefs a “full-on evolutionist”. How’s that for surrealism.


53 posted on 05/28/2009 5:33:03 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: ElectronVolt; GodGunsGuts; tpanther
And Creationism played a big role in the extermination of the native peoples by the Spanish. Well, one could argue that point with just as much (il)logic.

Go for it.

54 posted on 05/28/2009 5:44:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: varmintman

Another liberal misinterpretation of history to dis Christianity.


55 posted on 05/28/2009 5:48:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DoctorMichael

Another stunning defense of evolution.

How scientific. It’s sure to convince the undecided with all that evidence, mountains of it.


56 posted on 05/28/2009 5:50:26 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: goodusername
that he believed that the God of the Bible created life on earth as is, ...

And there you have it, the surreal part.

Hitler had no inkling of the God of the Bible. He detested the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible.

It's not that hard to grasp.

He exploited Christianity because he unerstood the Christain tradition of Germans but CLEARLY his idea of God was a norse, aryan socio/psychopath.

57 posted on 05/28/2009 5:59:52 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

Check out Dr. Mickey’s posting history.

Is that a riot or what! (LOL!)


58 posted on 05/28/2009 6:00:25 PM PDT by Fichori
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To: Fichori

It is. Over two years of mindless, knee jerk, creation hating blather.

If evos have mountains of evidence to support the ToE so that anyone with half a brain ought to come to the same conclusion as they do, then one fails to understand why they resort to such juvenile tactics in their efforts to attack creationism or Christianity.

Let me guess, it’s because creationists do to, so there, nyah!


59 posted on 05/28/2009 6:09:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther; goodusername; betty boop; metmom
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear tpanther!

Hitler had no inkling of the God of the Bible.

No kidding.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. - James 2:19


60 posted on 05/28/2009 9:44:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
Hitler was a full-on evolutionist, and he had a seething hatred for Christianity. Indeed, he planned on destroying Christianity at the first opportunity. Surely you know all this?

I'm sorry. I do not live in the deluded fantasy world of GodGunsGuts.

61 posted on 05/29/2009 6:46:12 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30; goodusername; tpanther; Fichori; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Here are some quotes from Hitler. They are taking from the book Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, Oxford University Press. As you can see, Hitler didn't exactly have have a high opinion of Christianity:

July, 1941:

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941:

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941:

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941:

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941:

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941:

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941:

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942:

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity" (p 339)

27th February, 1942:

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

http://www.puritanfellowship.com/2007/11/adolf-hitler-hated-christianity.html

62 posted on 05/29/2009 8:15:24 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Jeepers. Thanks for the quotes.


63 posted on 05/29/2009 8:34:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

Those quotes sound too familiar.


64 posted on 05/29/2009 8:48:29 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; tpanther; Fichori; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

The English translation of “Table Talk” comes to us via a French translation, and unfortunately it seems that there were some shenanigans along the way with many of the supposed anti-Christian comments.

At least the anti-Christian quotes that I’ve been able to look up in Table Talk are either VERY different from the original German, or missing altogether.

For some examples check out http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/nov02/carrier.php

Some may not trust that site, but I’ve seen some of the original German myself and could confirm that some of the English quotations are just plain wrong (using online translators and such: no I don’t know German heh) and wrong in a way to be purposely misleading (and not merely a question of interpretation).

I have been trying for quite a while (about 10 years lol) to get my hands (or eyes) on a complete German edition of “Table Talk” - if anyone out there knows where I can do so, please let me know!


65 posted on 05/29/2009 9:54:45 AM PDT by goodusername
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To: goodusername

I read your link, and I didn’t see any evidence refuting the quotes taken from the Oxford University press version of the book, other than a “take my word for it” from the FFRF author, who definitely has his own axe to grind. But even if you take the February 27 quote out, that he says is fabricated out, you still have all the other rabidly anti-Christian quotes, about which, the FFRF author is silent...and there is another quote that pretty much says the same thing:

13th December, 1941, midnight:

“Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease.” (p 118 & 119)


66 posted on 05/29/2009 10:54:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It looks like the Oxford U edition uses the same translation as the edition that the FFRF guy is critiquing.

I’d rather not just “take his word for it” which is why I’m so eager to find a copy online or where ever of the original German.

That’s the main reason I replied to your post - I was hoping someone might help me out. lol

Several years ago I did find a site that posted a few large excerpts of the original German, which allowed me to look up for myself some of the supposed anti-Christian statements, (a couple of which the FFRF guy mentioned) and they were WAY off of the English translation.

But I’d like to see if the FFRF just nitpicked a few quotes - or if it’s a trend with all or most of the quotes. The few quotes I was able to look up were so far off that it’d be really surprising if it’s just those few - it was obviously a blatant mistranslation for some purpose.


67 posted on 05/29/2009 11:27:27 AM PDT by goodusername
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To: goodusername

Great post.

Another thing to consider is that books on evolution WERE mentioned by the Nazi party.... they BANNED THEM as inconsistent with their Creationist world view!


68 posted on 05/29/2009 11:34:33 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Borges

“John Locke is the Father of Liberalism.”

He may have been the father of classical liberalism, but certainly not to modern liberalism - liberalism as it is understood today.


69 posted on 05/30/2009 7:35:30 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: Lorianne
Post Christian secular Europe is producing an average of about 1.6 children for every two adults while European Muslims are reproducing at a rate of about 8 children for every two adults. Europe will be Muslim in our lifetimes. The “sophisticated” Europeans couldn't be bothered to have children.

In Darwinian terms, Muslims, largely unchanged from the 7th century, are more fit than post-Christian Europe of the 21st century.

70 posted on 05/30/2009 7:44:50 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: ChessExpert

Locke’s materialist philosophy was a big influence on Marx.


71 posted on 05/31/2009 12:52:02 PM PDT by Borges
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