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(Fort) Campbell in Stand-Down Over Suicides
Military.Com ^ | May 28, 2009

Posted on 05/28/2009 8:10:22 AM PDT by xzins

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To: Doctor Raoul
military.com = Gannett = USAToday = MSM = BDS
41 posted on 05/30/2009 6:42:35 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Bragg = Fayetteville = 1st sitting of the signers of the Declaration of Independence = Unbelievably Patriotic support of the US military!


42 posted on 05/30/2009 6:44:43 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: xzins

What are your thoughts on a stand down in this situation? My gut tells me that folks suffering from depression are better off keeping busy than “standing down”.


43 posted on 05/30/2009 6:46:26 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: xzins
I believe some of the stress is due to our war fighters trying to adjust to operating under a military-antagonistic second Carter administration.

I believe men in general are likely more depressed now that the presidency and senate are led by men who loathe manly men and the house is led by a feminist harpy.

It's the same reason many single women are ecstatic: they have a femininist-loving community organizer in power who shares their feelings of antipathy toward men and manly pursuits in general.

Morale in the military is entering a period of steep decline.

44 posted on 05/30/2009 6:47:32 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Seruzawa
There is always a heightened risk of suicide among military personnel after extended deployment and action. It has happened after every war. There is nothing "delayed" about the stress being faced, and the depression which follows. Suicide generally occurs when there is a precipitating stimulus however; and as someone noted upstream, coming home to a broken relationship is a prime candidate for such a trigger.
45 posted on 05/30/2009 6:51:33 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Grumpybutt

Congratulations on your infantryman going to the 101st!

My son was a Screaming Eagle too (in the unit that nailed Saddam’s sons)and is confused about this new statistic. From a closer look- several of these suicides haven’t even been deployed in combat yet- so it doesn’t appear to be based on numerous deployments.

Thanks to you, your son and your family, you are in the prayers of more than you’ll ever know...

SE (Screaming Eagle) Mom


46 posted on 05/30/2009 6:53:52 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: behzinlea

While I agree wholeheartedly with your ‘analysis’, your conclusion ‘steep decline’ ain’t necessarily so! In fact, as long as our military knows it has the full faith and support of a large majority of the country (including a huge Democrat contingent), it will more likely mean growth not decline. (See history) The failings of Democrat policies usually mean more ‘battles’ to warm the hearts of soldiers than fewer ‘battles’. just sayin’


47 posted on 05/30/2009 7:02:59 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: xzins
The briefings I have had on the issue (and I have had too many) indicate that the common thread is that the individual has personal and professional issues that lead the soldier to feel isolated. Sometimes their job is one that is lonely, with long hours. Recruiting duty is particularly susceptible for that. Other times, their family life has been strained to the breaking point by repeated deployments. Sometimes it's drug and alcohol fueled misconduct that is leading to career trouble or impending separation.

At the installation where I serve, the leadership from top down is engaging the issue. The 3-star garrison commander here is open and upfront about his problems with PTSD. It seems to be working. We've seen 2 suicides all year, in an installation with 60k soldiers.

48 posted on 05/30/2009 7:04:29 AM PDT by jude24
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To: CRBDeuce

Not very many — they’re a low-density faith group


49 posted on 05/30/2009 10:20:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: jude24

I’d say on the order of half of ALL problems I ever encountered as a chaplain were alcohol related. And that includes suicidal behavior (ideation, gesture, attempt, completion).

But, that doesn’t explain why Campbell and not Bragg or not Riley or not Hood, etc. Deployment doesn’t answer it, because they’ve all deployed.

If alcohol’s more an issue in one than the other, then that’s definitely a leadership issue.

One of my major missions the last 6 years of my military career was suicide innoculation briefings. I sympathize with anyone having to listen to them once or twice a year, every year.


50 posted on 05/30/2009 10:27:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
I’d say on the order of half of ALL problems I ever encountered as a chaplain were alcohol related.

Yes, but is alcohol the symptom or the cause? I've seen E6's who started abusing drugs well into their career. What sparks that?

But, that doesn’t explain why Campbell and not Bragg or not Riley or not Hood, etc. Deployment doesn’t answer it, because they’ve all deployed.

True. When you see non-deployed personnel committing suicide too, that says that the deployment is not the sole cause, if indeed it is even a cause, of the epidemic.

It all goes back, in my opinion, to isolation. A person who feels like he has the support of his comrades, his family, and his chain of command is not as likely to turn to drugs, alcohol, or criminal activity and is not as likely to harm himself by suicide. Whenever that support system breaks down in any area, that's when we have to worry.

51 posted on 05/30/2009 10:57:12 AM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24

Again, are we saying that Campbell, by sheer randomness, has managed to draw more of these isolated types?

That’s entirely possible, but it does require us to admit a statistical anomaly is the difference, and given the small sample size, that’s probably where this ends up.

However, isolation is the same as the symptom/cause question regarding alcohol. Which came first, the isolation or the personality that tends in that direction?


52 posted on 05/30/2009 4:04:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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