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Deep Cuts Could Reshape California
NYTimes ^ | May 30th 2009

Posted on 05/30/2009 5:38:02 PM PDT by Steelfish

Deep Cuts Could Reshape California

By JENNIFER STEINHAUER May 30, 2009

LOS ANGELES — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger did not get the election results he sought. Now he seems determined to show California voters the consequences.

Rich Pedroncelli/Associated Press

In a special election on May 19, voters rejected a batch of measures on increasing taxes, borrowing funds and reapportioning state money that were designed to close a multibillion-dollar budget gap.

The cuts Mr. Schwarzenegger has proposed to make up the difference, if enacted by the Legislature, would turn California into a place that in some ways would be unrecognizable in modern America: poor children would have no health insurance, prisoners would be released by the thousands and state parks would be closed.

Nearly all of the billions of dollars in cuts the administration has proposed would affect programs for poor Californians, although prisons and schools would take hits, as well.

“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.” He added: “You have to cut where the money is.”

In less than two weeks, the administration has gone from warning residents that a vote against the budget measures would send the state — some $24 billion in the red — into utter turmoil to sanguine acceptance that “the people have spoken” and that the government must move on.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
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1 posted on 05/30/2009 5:38:02 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Finny

Scare tactics?


2 posted on 05/30/2009 5:40:03 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: Steelfish
Reshaping the map of California......
3 posted on 05/30/2009 5:41:00 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Steelfish

Maybe Mr. Shriever-Kennedy-Schwarzenegger will simply cut Los Angeles and San Francisco loose?


4 posted on 05/30/2009 5:41:24 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Steelfish
I think the cuts would be against the billions given away to illegals first. Of course it would be politically in correct to say the majority of the so called poor are illegals.
5 posted on 05/30/2009 5:41:35 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Steelfish

But we can pay for all the illegals in the state ... impeach Arnooold NOW. AND NO MORE RINOS


6 posted on 05/30/2009 5:42:36 PM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: jessduntno
The question is will Kay Bailey Hutchinson run for queen???
7 posted on 05/30/2009 5:42:46 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

“The question is will Kay Bailey Hutchinson run for queen???”

You mean...she isn’t??????


8 posted on 05/30/2009 5:43:30 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Steelfish

Still, no mention of ILLEGALS using up our tax dollars.


9 posted on 05/30/2009 5:45:13 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Steelfish
“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.”

The welfare state in a nutshell.

10 posted on 05/30/2009 5:45:49 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: clamper1797

impeach = recall ... someone else was also on my mind ...


11 posted on 05/30/2009 5:47:15 PM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: jessduntno

Recuerde el Alamo.


12 posted on 05/30/2009 5:48:45 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Prowd gaduate of a Calefornica publik skewl.)
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To: Steelfish
“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.”

Thanks for hipping me to that, dude.

13 posted on 05/30/2009 5:53:04 PM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: CGTRWK
“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.”

Yes it does provide services to the rich and middle class. It keeps them safe by putting criminals in prison and provides state parks for their recreation.

Of course, the first services to be taken away are always "services to the blind and the poor, libraries, art museums and fire and police protection. There, you bully citizen voters, take that!

14 posted on 05/30/2009 5:53:41 PM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: Steelfish
The cuts Mr. Schwarzenegger has proposed to make up the difference, if enacted by the Legislature, would turn California into a place that in some ways would be unrecognizable in modern America:

Leave the current leadership in charge of California and see what happens. They're already turning California into a place that's unrecognizable! Schwarzenegger is making a threat. Plain and simple.
15 posted on 05/30/2009 5:58:19 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: Steelfish

Why not cut State salaries by 15 % and cut the number of beauracrats ? The terminator is a wimp


16 posted on 05/30/2009 5:59:28 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Steelfish
...poor children would have no health insurance...

What the hell is Barack the Kenyan doing with his new 61 cents per pack cigarette tax? "Poor children" should have more "health insurance" than you can shake a stick at. In this state, Arizona and the Feds are now getting 1.20 per pack for Communist healthcare for "the children."

17 posted on 05/30/2009 5:59:54 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Gibbs needs to be "exceedingly careful" when threatening the American people.)
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To: Steelfish

I think that’s a map of the great United States of Texas.


18 posted on 05/30/2009 6:02:06 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Steelfish
Sure thing, arnolD. Turn prisoners loose but don't even consider cutting any or all of the $7-10 billion spent annually on ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Liberals got California into this mess. Let them suffer politically the consequences.

19 posted on 05/30/2009 6:04:16 PM PDT by South40 (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its Idiot.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
In this state, Arizona and the Feds are now getting 1.20 per pack for Communist healthcare for "the children."

Check that! It should read $1.41 per pack.

20 posted on 05/30/2009 6:04:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Gibbs needs to be "exceedingly careful" when threatening the American people.)
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To: Steelfish

Just deport the illegals back to where they came from. A lot of your problem would be solved; especially since Mexico has decided to give free health care.


21 posted on 05/30/2009 6:05:42 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The CA legislature is impossibly left-wing with hundreds of legislative staff many of whom draw six-figure incomes. The Speaker (a former South LA community activist) has over 200 staff members!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just check her website Karen Bass and every socialist group from NARAL to Planned Parenthood to GLBT have their links.


22 posted on 05/30/2009 6:10:54 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: BunnySlippers

I am with you, the silence is stunning.


23 posted on 05/30/2009 6:11:43 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Steelfish

Government to citizen: Take that! Don’t you realize how important we are


24 posted on 05/30/2009 6:15:38 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Steelfish
Deep Cuts Could Reshape California

Is it called Aztlan?

25 posted on 05/30/2009 6:16:11 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: freekitty

Just denying services to them will help get them to leave. If we refuse to stop the handouts they will never have incentive to go back home.


26 posted on 05/30/2009 6:17:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Steelfish

yes, a good start is the cut anyone working for government with 6 figures salary, then reduce it to 5, then to 4. Anyone working for government should not be there to get rich


27 posted on 05/30/2009 6:17:58 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

As for fire protection for this state, it is needed ONLY because we have environmentalists who do not allow clear cutting or anything remotely resembling common sense when it comes to true “fire protection”. They would rather SPEND money on firefighters when the inevitable happens, not clear cut or remove a precious tree!!!


28 posted on 05/30/2009 6:18:22 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (It is a tale, told by an idiot.....living in DC)
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To: Sawdring
Is it called Aztlan?

I hope so.

At this point, California may as well pull over, hand the keys to Mexico, and let them drive.

I grew up in Southern California. While I miss it, I'll never go back. The place is consuming itself. Maybe the land was just always meant to be a poorly administered backwater of Mexico.

29 posted on 05/30/2009 6:23:56 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Oh, well. Back to the drawing board....)
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To: Steelfish

They can cut wherever they want to.

But leave the citizens labor ALONE!

We won’t be slaves to lousy, incompetent, left-wing politicians in Sacramento.

The public sector needs cutbacks.

They can play their little “Fine, we’ll cut things that will hurt you...” game all they want.

Bring it on, commies!


30 posted on 05/30/2009 6:25:46 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Steelfish
Steelfish:

My friend, there are at least a thousand Boards, Commissions, Directories and Committies that could be done away with. Most, well some anyway are the same as the Federals. I can name two right now, CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION, CAL-OSHA. (Sorry for the rant). If someone could just come up with the total cost of each of these items and present them then we all could see where the cuts should be made.
Semper Fi, and the very best to you and yours.

Tommie
Texican

31 posted on 05/30/2009 6:25:52 PM PDT by Texican (This FORMER MARINE will never in his life time "Cut and Run" I dig Dagny Taggart)
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To: Steelfish

The end of socialistic programs is a good thing.

Why all the stressing by this media person?


32 posted on 05/30/2009 6:30:05 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Texican

100% on point. Boards, Commissions, Committees are the vehicles of choice for Socialism


33 posted on 05/30/2009 6:32:45 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: BunnySlippers

No jobs too.


34 posted on 05/30/2009 6:33:10 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Steelfish
Steelfish:
This is my personal peeve. There are to many rules and regulations put out by these Committiees, Boards and Commissions that curtail our freedom. They are not even laws passed by our representives. I hate them.
Semper Fi
The very best to you and yours.
Tommie
Texican
35 posted on 05/30/2009 6:37:18 PM PDT by Texican (This FORMER MARINE will never in his life time "Cut and Run" I dig Dagny Taggart)
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To: Boucheau

Dear Boucheau!

The Speaker’s Staff has over 200 employees with all the perks and power. There are scores of boards, commissions and committees funded either by general revenues or by dues from members. All this has to go. But CA does not need a bicameral full-time legislature. A part-time unicameral legislature and the scrapping of nearly all boards, panels and committees is a good start.


36 posted on 05/30/2009 6:38:58 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Proving once again - in dramatic format - that you just cannot simply give people houses, healthcare, and money.


37 posted on 05/30/2009 6:56:31 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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To: Steelfish
“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.” He added: “You have to cut where the money is.”

No, the "rich people" and the "middle class" are just the people who pay for everything.

38 posted on 05/30/2009 6:59:34 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: hoosiermama
Scare tactics?

Not at all. The problem for Arnold and the rats is that the "rich people" and the "middle class" who pay all the taxes aren't the slightest bit scared. Why should they be?

“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.” He added: “You have to cut where the money is.”

39 posted on 05/30/2009 7:02:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Steelfish
Will the hundreds of boards and commissions that serve as unemployment insurance for out-of-office party hacks and other party stalwarts be cut one penny?

My guess.. No.

40 posted on 05/30/2009 7:02:14 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: NormsRevenge
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You do not want to miss this.

“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.” He added: “You have to cut where the money is.”

41 posted on 05/30/2009 7:03:36 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Steelfish
Nearly all of the billions of dollars in cuts the administration has proposed would affect programs for poor Californians, although prisons and schools would take hits, as well...a sleazy and obvious attempt to strongarm voters into going along with more taxes somehow - cuts should come first in those areas affecting the least people - parks, museums, bike paths, preservation of litle critters and the rest - all maybe worthwhile, but appealing to a relatively small number of the populace compared to schools, police protection, and transportation - extortion is particularly unattractive when practiced by politicians......
42 posted on 05/30/2009 7:08:50 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

The root problem with CA, is the pay and retirement packages of Government workers, at all levels. They have stolen the wealth of productive Californians and now will take it out on the poor.


43 posted on 05/30/2009 7:13:34 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: Intolerant in NJ

California must not cut important “green” programs that will save the world from “global warming”, and certainly, embryonic stem cell research MUST continue until it finally yields something useful.


44 posted on 05/30/2009 7:13:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jessduntno

Yep! Except it should be “2020” instead of 2080.


45 posted on 05/30/2009 7:14:05 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Texican

Actually, someone submitted a bill to limit the pay for the members of all of those useless boards to just the hours actually worked. Of course, most of those board members are either termed-out legislators or their family members. So the brave souls in the Assembly Appropriations Committee have shelved the bill. This accomplishes two things - one, the board members still get their $100k salaries for meeting once a month and two, no one in the legislature actually has to be seen voting to continue this wasteful practice. Some great courage they have...


46 posted on 05/30/2009 7:57:45 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Steelfish
“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.” He added: “You have to cut where the money is.”

Eventually the Feds, perhaps the Obamanation administration, is going to extend this paradigm to social security. It will only be for the poor.

47 posted on 05/30/2009 8:00:36 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: D Rider; All
Another FReeper, whose name I forgot, crunched the numbers: IF Cali laid off or stopped paying EVERY state employee, they'd still be out of whack(over budget -costs- vs. revenue.) That's how bad they are.

Welfare and freebies are going to have to go.

48 posted on 05/30/2009 8:10:44 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: 4rcane
yes, a good start is the cut anyone working for government with 6 figures salary

Six-figure saleries are very common for state (and city) workers in Calif. When govt workers retire, they can get a pension that is something like 98% of their prior salary PLUS they can go back to work and essentially get a double salary.

The state needs to go bankrupt.

49 posted on 05/30/2009 9:20:34 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

High level CA officials have told me that this budget was made to alarm people. It is pure manipulation by threatening the 2/3 federal subsidy on child healthcare, and closing all state parks.

The journalist is falling for the manipulation, hook and line.


50 posted on 05/30/2009 9:20:54 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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