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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

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To: mass55th
It's also possible that the shooter could have been the mother, father, grandparent of one of those late-term babies butchered by Tiller.

Hope that's the case. It would change the dynamic of this thing dramatically.

651 posted on 05/31/2009 11:49:52 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Conservative_Rob

You may be a bit late but you’re right on target. If so-called ‘conservatives’ were more interested in doing the right thing instead of worrying about how they’re going to look to the Democrats they might be able to enlist a following.


652 posted on 05/31/2009 11:50:32 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: securityman

What about the unaligned? those needed to be persuaded that abortion is vile and should be made illegal? do you care what they think? rank and file Americans, those without a firm commitment to the pro-life cause, who are led to think the pro-life community is peopled by the lunatic fringe, are not likely to join it.


653 posted on 05/31/2009 11:50:48 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: ScreamingFist

Our country has strayed from the rule of law. Many of our public officials are corrupt and openly break the law.

Our laws should be based on Gods law. When the government strays from that it must be brought back into line. Of course peacefully is always preferable. Hopefully this doesn’t act as a trigger for more violence.


654 posted on 05/31/2009 11:51:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

“You don’t go on Sunday to beg forgiveness and confess your sins, though, I realize that most churches and people don’t follow this anymore.”

That’s Pharasees thinking. I don’t think the Creator of the universe has a problem with people repenting at an unscheduled time and place.


655 posted on 05/31/2009 11:51:16 AM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: AUH2O Repub

It was a woman who took shots at Tiller, the last time.

She, obviously, was a terrible shot.

She went to prison, where she belonged.


656 posted on 05/31/2009 11:51:58 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Alas

How many innocent lives were saved by this? I would hope the other murderers out there at Planned Parenthood and other death mills start looking over their shoulders a little wondering who will be next?


657 posted on 05/31/2009 11:52:20 AM PDT by 30-06 Springfield (Go ahead, tell it like it really is!)
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To: Kansas58
The left never apologizes for the nuts on the left.

You're absolutely right, but the left has a cause that is popular, or popular with the press, at any rate, so that makes it OK.

In any case, we're better than they are! Violence is much more acceptable on the left; look at their "anti-globalization" riots.

Still, I think we have to avoid going overboard in our apologies; we, after all, did not encourage murder, do not condone it, and our principles do not permit it. So, in a sense, there's really nothing to apologize for.

658 posted on 05/31/2009 11:52:22 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kansas58

Obamacide!


659 posted on 05/31/2009 11:52:22 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Publius

Public sentiment is running ever more against abortion.

It is tolerated, in large part, because the average person doesn’t know or more likely has blocked out what kind of numbers are involved here.

I’ve heard Tiller killed 60,000 human beings!

I HOPE the Left gives us an opportunity to get the truth more widely known by using the Tiller case as a “propaganda piece”.


660 posted on 05/31/2009 11:52:32 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Kansas58

Though this guy was probably the worst human being on earth, the only one that should be allowed to take his life is the Lord.


661 posted on 05/31/2009 11:52:56 AM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: fortunate sun
If you’re NOT praying for Hitler, Pol Pot, even Satan, you obviously missed the Christ’s message.

lol....you Birkie Christians kill me.

is that what Jesus Freaks (hippie believers from the 70s) became when they grew up?

662 posted on 05/31/2009 11:52:56 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Lorianne
I do not support this. He should have been prosecuted, not killed.

I don't support it either. But the problem, of course, is that he bought off the prosecutors, judges, and even the governor. And he has massive funds to pay his lawyers, while the pro-life organizations are having difficulties raising money in hard times.

So how likely was it that he would ever be convicted of anything? And, of course, if he had been, he would have immediately appealed, with his bottomless pockets and the support of taxpayer funded organizations such as Planned Parenthood.

663 posted on 05/31/2009 11:53:12 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: metmom
I just did a quick drive by of DU. It took all of 5 posts before someone commented that we are celebrating here at FR.

And less than that for them to smear the whole *right wing* movement as hypocrites.

Doesn't matter, Liberalism is a mental disorder, their minds are warped, it's the same with the death penalty argument, they say how can a person be pro-life and for the death penalty unless they're hypocrites, and most pro-lifers are for the death penalty.

It's a fine line to walk, putting people to death for killing the innocent. Is it a deterrent, justice, vengeance? So what does one do who believes in the death penalty when the state itself sanctions the killing of the innocent? What did the German people do when their State sanctioned the killing of the innocent?

664 posted on 05/31/2009 11:53:14 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: GCC Catholic
) Because this is still the murder of a human being; even though the work that Tiller did was utterly and intrinsically evil, the goal of stopping him could never be used to justify this as a means.

If you were sitting your your couch cleaning your gun and Osama Bin Laden came to the door, would you be justified in killing him?

If so, then NEVER say Never.

665 posted on 05/31/2009 11:53:30 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: mass55th
The tragedy is also that an abortionist is looked up to as a hero, and a baby as the enemy.

You are so right.

666 posted on 05/31/2009 11:53:55 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Palladin
“This is a dark day for the pro-life movement. “

But a good day for unborn babies in Kansas, especially those who were on Tiller’s hitlist for Monday morning.

Their mothers may take pause and think about what they were about to do.

Or they may be afraid to go near the clinic.

This is a good thing.

I couldn't disagree more. You have no concept of the scale of the abortion problem if you think this did anything. It's just ammo for the pro-abortionists.

This is a bad thing.

667 posted on 05/31/2009 11:54:44 AM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: tired1

Oh, Hitler???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-goGpnc_M


668 posted on 05/31/2009 11:54:46 AM PDT by doug from upland (10 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: Kansas58

Violence like this doesn’t accomplish anything of value. A crime is still a crime, and I hope the perp gets what’s coming to him.


669 posted on 05/31/2009 11:54:56 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: Jeffrey_D.

Rader was Prident of the Parish Council, a Boy Scout leader, and contributed his famous spaghetti sauce to the potluck dinners there.

He also took the corpse of one victim inside the Fellowship Hall, where he further abused it, posed it, and took photos taken into evidnce by the police.

Not to rag on the Lutherans. There have been plenty of Catholic, Methodist, and Presbyterian serial killers, too.


670 posted on 05/31/2009 11:54:56 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: CGTRWK
Awful lot of wink and a nod support here for a cold blooded murderer

Don't be ridiculous, nobody supported Tiller's activities.

671 posted on 05/31/2009 11:56:11 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: wardaddy
but since you asked boy, this forum is full of threads with pics (in case you can't read) of your's truly out in the streets on behalf of Bush, war vets, counter amnesty and whatnot

I know who you are princess, apparently your quick posts are no better than mine.....try the shift button and try again.

672 posted on 05/31/2009 11:56:42 AM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: cajungirl

Where would you have stood, in 1776?

What, exactly, do the law abiding do, when their GOVERNMENT no longer feels restrained by “the law”?

I think armed revolution is not necessary, at this point in history, but some disagree.

That is between the revolutionaries and their God, just as Tiller claimed that abortion was between a Woman and her God!

Frankly, I think you are being harder on our side than you are on the abortionists.

The abortionists CREATED the chaos we live in.

That does not justify violence, but it does explain the violence.


673 posted on 05/31/2009 11:57:14 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: whatisthetruth; metmom

Just so. Liberals will smear those who support the right to life no matter what. And they can always dredge up an old clinic bombing if they want an illustration—never mind that instances of violence against abortion clinics are extremely rare, far rarer than violence against people peacefully praying on the sidewalks.

I don’t excuse this deed, but it is not typical or symptomatic of those who oppose the murder of innocent human beings. Almost all the violence has been on the other side—police brutality, people running their cars up on the sidewalk to mow down people who are praying there, security guards using violence against protestors, and so forth. But that doesn’t get reported.


674 posted on 05/31/2009 11:57:16 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: doug from upland

That’s the Christian way. Why do so many of our brothers miss the mark? Could you imagine Christ celebrating this event?


675 posted on 05/31/2009 11:57:24 AM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: whatisthetruth

Somebody posted on a blog I read that the police have pulled over a suspect. Anybody know if this is true?


676 posted on 05/31/2009 11:57:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kansas58

Just think of it as a very late term abortion.


677 posted on 05/31/2009 11:57:48 AM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: metmom

I don’t support the murder of this guy, but the way they (DU) are holding this doctor up as some sort of hero is disgusting beyond belief.


678 posted on 05/31/2009 11:58:05 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Kansas58; Palladin

Car registered to person in Merriam, Kansas (Kansas City/Overland Park) area — according to Police — per Fox News.


679 posted on 05/31/2009 11:58:28 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Cicero

Your second reason is possible and the best case scenario for the pro-life movement out of all this. But even so, it would require honesty from the MSM to point out in a way that grabs people’s attention how vile Tiller was. Most people depend on headlines and soundbites and they will simply say “abortionist killed.” I’m not very hopeful that this will not be used against the pro-life movement in a BIG way, in a Reichstag fire way.

But perhaps it won’t.


680 posted on 05/31/2009 11:58:50 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: metmom

Someone upthread made a good point that we wouldn’t allow perverts to rape and kill already-born children no matter what the “law” of the land might say about it. I’m asking myself, since I believe-I know-that unborn babies are as fully human as born children, at what point, when the “law” has tied our hands and silenced our voices, do we take action in preventing the murders of unborn babies? I don’t know, but I do fear a creeping indoctrination of even people on the right who oppose abortion that unborn babies aren’t as fully human and deserving of protection as born children. If that’s the case, then what are we opposing?


681 posted on 05/31/2009 11:59:14 AM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: ThreeYearLurker

“Though this guy was probably the worst human being on earth, the only one that should be allowed to take his life is the Lord.”

Not true; if the government decides a person should die for crimes it is biblical.

War is biblical as well.


682 posted on 05/31/2009 11:59:32 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Wil H
Just think of it as a very late term abortion.

Sounds like he got a dose of his own medicine.

683 posted on 05/31/2009 11:59:34 AM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Free Descendant

I certainly do have a “concept” of the scale of the problem —I have been a prolife ACTIVIST for forty years.

If just ONE baby’s life is saved by Tiller’s death, that is a good thing.

As the Jewish proverb goes “He who has saved one life has saved the whole world.”


684 posted on 05/31/2009 11:59:48 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

If it get to trial and he opps for a jury, many things could come to light.


685 posted on 05/31/2009 12:00:22 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: 30-06 Springfield
How many innocent lives were saved by this?

Too few. On the balance more will be lost by this.

686 posted on 05/31/2009 12:00:27 PM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: Kansas58; cajungirl
The abortionists CREATED the chaos we live in.

That does not justify violence, but it does explain the violence.

Yes it does. Abortionists have murdered over 50 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS since 1973 and this makes people angry. This anger should NEVER turn to violence, but it is legitimate anger.

687 posted on 05/31/2009 12:00:52 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: fortunate sun

“If you’re NOT praying for Hitler, Pol Pot, even Satan, you obviously missed the Christ’s message.”

Praying for someone doesn’t mean you condone their actions. However it is too late to pray for the dead, and Satan was given justice by God himself. Are you saying we should pray for Satan because of Gods justice?


688 posted on 05/31/2009 12:01:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jennyjenny
I guess the folks on DU would be offended if I called him a baby killer. But he has aborted unborn children at over 6 months, and I am sure he has aborted very late in the pregnancy -- 8 or 9 months...

If a baby has a heart beat, a brain, and is basically just as human outside the womb as inside, then it is a baby...

689 posted on 05/31/2009 12:01:18 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: betty boop
Thank you for your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

Just because outright, objective infanticide has been "legalized" (e.g., late-term abortion, refusal to protect born-alive infants), are we then required to say that infanticide is "just?"

When the law no longer serves justice, then it seems pretty clear to me that a state of de facto anarchy already exists.

Indeed. And tragedies like this today are the result.

I join in prayer for everyone suffering under this tragic event - whether Tiller's loved ones or members of the pro-life community.

690 posted on 05/31/2009 12:01:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mrsmel

maybe some of these freepers can run off to Omaha and join Tiller’s prayer groups for his soul or whatever.

threads like these is why I laugh when O’Butthead calls us right wing extremist

we are hardly that...shows how ignorant he is

folks here squabbling over poor Tiller


691 posted on 05/31/2009 12:01:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
I read to post #38 and that was as far as I could stomach.

George Tiller was a serial murderer. Now, someone has murdered him. That person has also killed their future and perhaps lost their soul to rid the world of a serial murderer.

I sincerely wish that Tiller had found the Lord, the Giver of life and repented of his serial slaughter of the alive unborn. But if he didn't, he will spend a very horrible eternity because of his chosen means to wealth.

The media spectacle of ginning up hate toward pro-lifers will be a circus for a while. Feminazis will exploit the murder for propaganda purposes.

But there are entirely too many Americans who will spend eternity in the same horrible end as George Tiller. Evil will use this murder of a serial murderer to drag even more souls to Hell by exploiting thetangle of evil that is abortion on demand in America and the twisted mindset of far too many who refuse to admit the alive unborn are every bid fellow human beings, thus they enable the evil to persist and grow.

692 posted on 05/31/2009 12:01:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: whatisthetruth

Good one!!


693 posted on 05/31/2009 12:01:49 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Kansas58
Tiller's been around for years. The big question is...why NOW? Why, when the polls were turning toward pro-life?

Abortion clinic bombings are ancient history. Most young people know nothing of them. Pro-life marches are exceedingly peaceful, at least from our side.

May God have mercy on Tiller's soul. And may his killer be found and prosecuted.

Murder is always wrong.

694 posted on 05/31/2009 12:02:09 PM PDT by MantillaMilitant
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To: mrsmel

Good point.


695 posted on 05/31/2009 12:02:18 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Prince Arugula and Lady Armpit, AKA BO & MO are driving me batty!)
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To: whatisthetruth
You're comparing America to Nazi Germany?

Besides winning a Godwin award, that's an obnoxious comparision.

696 posted on 05/31/2009 12:02:25 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: ScreamingFist

what is a screaming fist anyhow?

some sort of bathhouse fetish?


697 posted on 05/31/2009 12:02:37 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Kansas58

Apples and oranges. The revolt against Britain was carried out by elected representatives of the colonial population, by legitimate leaders. The American Revolution was not an isolated action by a single vigilante. You simply cannot justify Tiller’s murder by analogy to the American Revolution. You do our cause a disservice by trying.


698 posted on 05/31/2009 12:02:37 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Free Descendant

The murdering fool helped the pro-abortionists and the gun grabbers.


699 posted on 05/31/2009 12:02:56 PM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance

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