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Other Far Right Response (Andrew Sullivan Mentions Free Republic Response to Tiller Murder)
The Atlantic ^ | 31 May 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 06/01/2009 11:17:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway

From the Free Republic blog commenters, courtesy of Balloon Juice:

What goes around comes around...

One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

This isn't good, boys and girls ... not good at all. This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist, every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

SNIP

(Excerpt) Read more at andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; fr; freerepublic; prolife; sullivan; tiller
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1 posted on 06/01/2009 11:17:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Jim Robinson

We have to excerpt it, even though, except for 10 words, it originally comes from Free Republic.


2 posted on 06/01/2009 11:18:41 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

To be fair, shouldn’t they have some comments from DU types?


3 posted on 06/01/2009 11:21:56 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: nickcarraway

the canonization of this monster is already underway. if there were only 1% of the outrage toward the murder of innocent babies as this leftist’s “Saint with a Scalpel” the world would be a better place.


4 posted on 06/01/2009 11:23:11 AM PDT by fortunate sun (Tell me what books you want to ban and I'll tell you what type of politics you hold.)
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To: nickcarraway

definitely not representative of FR or conservatives.


5 posted on 06/01/2009 11:24:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: nickcarraway

although, I have to admit, there is a good bit of truth to each of the excerpted comments, even if they are delivered, as it were, with the gloves off.


6 posted on 06/01/2009 11:25:09 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: fortunate sun
the canonization of this monster is already underway

The attempted cannonization. It's not going to fly.

7 posted on 06/01/2009 11:25:47 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: nickcarraway

Andy just doesn’t like ‘breeders’ or breeding.


8 posted on 06/01/2009 11:26:06 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
idefinitely not representative of FR or conservatives.

The devil is trying hard right now. Keep the faith!

9 posted on 06/01/2009 11:26:16 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: nickcarraway

Do not post commie propaganda.


10 posted on 06/01/2009 11:27:32 AM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: nickcarraway
Not surprising. I wish people would think before they post.

Have we really made so much progress since the 12th Century? Because of our technology we've figured out how to routinely murder babies in utero, but we still murder in churches.

11 posted on 06/01/2009 11:27:33 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: nickcarraway

....and we follow this with the MAINSTREAM left’s response to the killing of all those unborn children:

“.............................”


12 posted on 06/01/2009 11:27:40 AM PDT by TitansAFC (The retarded 1950s GOP of today still thinks the public wants statesmanlike losers. We want fighters)
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To: the invisib1e hand
The attempted cannonization. It's not going to fly.

Exactly. Let's have the conversation nationally about all of the gory details of how this so-called martyr of the left has made his fortune. I look forward to the argument.

13 posted on 06/01/2009 11:27:44 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: colorado tanker
Not surprising. I wish people would think before they post.

The argument doesn't wash.

Nazi's mass murdered;

The man did kill innocent, defenseless human beings and in even primitives "12th century" and prior civilizations cry out for justice;

The radical left will leverage this murder to marginalize sane, normal pro-life people (the majority of Americans, incidentally.

Nothing in the excerpted comments needs to be defended. Nothing.

I didn't read the rest. I'm sure there are some zingers, but that's not reason enough to let the thug media put the Cause of Life or the majority of Americans on the defensive.

14 posted on 06/01/2009 11:32:26 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: nickcarraway

Why are you working so hard to spread this idea?

You have the same mentality as those who blamed Rush Limbaugh for the Oklahoma City bombing back in 1995.

Why are you doing their work for them?


15 posted on 06/01/2009 11:33:33 AM PDT by donna (Gasoline usage: Demand dropped 9.6% in 2008; total decline from 2005 thru 2008 was 28%)
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To: donna

Have I missed the outrage over the military recruiter that was just killed in AK?


16 posted on 06/01/2009 11:35:13 AM PDT by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: colorado tanker
"Have we really made so much progress since the 12th Century? Because of our technology we've figured out how to routinely murder babies in utero, but we still murder in churches. "

And what are churches?

Churches aren't museums for Saints, they are gathering places for sinners where they should hope to hear the Gospel, the Lords word.

17 posted on 06/01/2009 11:35:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: nickcarraway

Not even counting the fact this guy Andrew Sullivan thinks other men’s poopers are attractive— he is the biggest, most shameless sleazeball.


18 posted on 06/01/2009 11:35:33 AM PDT by exist
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To: the invisib1e hand
definitely not representative of FR or conservatives.

There are more than just a few sickening comments left by FReepers on this topic. Unfortunately it reflects upon this website and on everyone here.

The behavior here has been absolutely disgusting, and no amount of rationalization can justify the murderer's actions or the victim's death.

19 posted on 06/01/2009 11:41:05 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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To: nickcarraway

I noticed he didn’t post a link to the comments.
I guess I should just assume those are all typical of the rest of the comments.
It’s so much easier that way...


20 posted on 06/01/2009 11:44:08 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: roses of sharon

nick is a troll..I’ve noticed he’s been posting daily kos crap for the last few days. I think there are several Obamabots on Fr fomenting dissension.

I’m disappointed that Sully didn’t quote me. I had some good lines. =(


21 posted on 06/01/2009 11:46:09 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: Reagan69

>>>Have I missed the outrage over the military recruiter that was just killed in AK?<<<

Yes, you did. Zero gave a press conference denouncing the heinous crimes committed by our military, and how it was only a matter of time before someone “took things into their own hands” in their zeal to right perceived wrongs. Oh, and Medea Benjamin and StarHawk were at his side.

Eric Holder is sending the FBI to protect Nation of Islam mosques.

Film at 11:00.


22 posted on 06/01/2009 11:46:38 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: exist
Andy Sullivan thinks homosexual activity is somehow pro-choice?
That's kinda funny, and sick.

23 posted on 06/01/2009 11:50:24 AM PDT by vox_freedom (If anyone wanted to know what would happen with a far, far left POTUS, it's here and now...)
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To: astyanax
Oops! Link to mentioned comments is at balloon juice:
Update. I’m not usually one for nutpicking, but the Freeper comments on this are unusually appalling. (They’ll probably be taken down but here they are permanently: pdf1;pdf2)
I think he's confused as to which group likes self-censorship.
24 posted on 06/01/2009 11:50:43 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
that's not reason enough to let the thug media put the Cause of Life or the majority of Americans on the defensive

But that's exactly what will happen.

25 posted on 06/01/2009 11:55:31 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: SaveTheChief

I was gone for a couple of days.

Some of the comments I’ve read make me quite literally ill. I know that people are speaking freely, but at NO POINT will I ever justify, rationalize, defend or explain a murderer who went into a church (or anyplace else) and killed someone in cold blood.

I know that people are passionate about the issue of abortion, but this man was murdered. If you are going to excuse the murderer, these are scarier times that we can even concieve.

Because excusing him means you have just painted a target on everyone’s head. Any soldier returning from war might be considered by some to be a “murderer” and so, it’s excusable if they are killed. Some might consider it “justice”...we would think that kind of thought is dangerously radical...

So, how does excusing the doctor’s killer not make YOU a dangerous radical?

It is reprehensible that anyone would make any comment except that men should not be gunned down in cold blood.

I will be watching to see what develops after this taking of innocent life in Arkansas. These victims are members of our military.

Some may hate them with a passion because they disagree with the war. That is no excuse to take the law into your own hands.

We are a nation of laws. There’s a reason.


26 posted on 06/01/2009 11:58:16 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (doubleplusungood)
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To: y6162
Yep, all last night he was posting from the most obscure moonbat sites.

These events are always good bait for FR’s trolls, they can't help themselves.

Some here on the “right” are still super invested in Hussein, others are simply those who do not like social conservatives in the Republican party.

So they sidle up with the left to try and discredit so-cons and other rightwingers who they feel are too hard on the left.

27 posted on 06/01/2009 12:00:10 PM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: colorado tanker
But that's exactly what will happen.

Punch. Counterpunch. Duck. Punch.

It's a fight.

28 posted on 06/01/2009 12:00:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand
definitely not representative of FR or conservatives.

My reading of the threads indicates these kinds of postings are the rule rather than the exception.

We sure can be good at fouling our own nest.

29 posted on 06/01/2009 12:00:54 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: nickcarraway
It's sad that elitist gasbags will take those things and make hay, but it doesn't make sense either to pretend away one's views to appease them.

It appears some folks are saying what they think.

The ends do not justify the means IMO (rule of law and all), but I won't pretend to not think fewer "doctors" killing unborn children is good.

30 posted on 06/01/2009 12:01:36 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (He must fail.)
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To: colorado tanker
re: Not surprising. I wish people would think before they post.)))

I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew or some of his ilk were doing the posting! Found a newbie yesterday who joined just to post about the murder. When something like this happens, we ought to go into "watch for disruptors pretending to be freepers to make FR look bad" mode.

31 posted on 06/01/2009 12:01:37 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Lando Lincoln
We sure can be good at fouling our own nest.

There are FRinos to be considered.

32 posted on 06/01/2009 12:02:01 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: nickcarraway

Did you click on the Balloon Juice link? OMG - the dregs of the internet!


33 posted on 06/01/2009 12:04:41 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: nickcarraway

You know what they say, you want it bad, you get it bad. Nothing like getting whacked in church, at least he was close to his god.


34 posted on 06/01/2009 12:05:48 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: nickcarraway; All
A right to life individual has gunned down a physician who committed late term abortions.

People who see the killing of the unborn as murder, are pleased that this doctor will no longer be committing abortions.

An Army recruiter has been gunned down and killed on a Little Rock street.

People who see the recruitment of young men and women as evil, because some of them might be killed or severely wounded in action, are pleased this person will no longer be recruiting our youth to serve in the armed forces.

Whatever my opinion on both of these events is, it's not my opinion that matters.  What matters is that there are people out there who will support one of these two events.  I don't support either of them.

When we abandon the law, to conduct or approve of one of these actions, we make it reasoned for people who disagree with us to resolve their differences by the same method.

We don't agree with late term abortions.  They don't agree with recruitment.  Each of us thinks the other group approves of terrorist tactics.

I see a lot of folks winking and nodding around here.  They are so thrilled that an abortion doctor has just been forcably 'retired'.  Folks, these two events should be a good example of why you are incredibly wrong to be somewhat happy about the abortion doctor's murder.  You don't seem to understand that when hunting season is open, so you can resolve your differences with a gun, hunting season is also open for others to resolve their differences with a gun.

Do we want to see Wall Street people gunned down?  Do we want to see bankers gunned down?  Do we want to see Pastors gunned down?  Do we want to see judges gunned down?  Do we want to see Conservatives gunned down?

When you open the doors to street justice, you allow anyone with a gun to become judge and juror.

I find both of these murders to be unacceptable.  The ramifications are too dire to contemplate.  If people who profess to support the rule of law are willing to wink and nod when people they disapprove of are gunned down, then we've lost the battle.  Conservatism is dead.
35 posted on 06/01/2009 12:06:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Conservatives will not be killed by liberals.

Liberals, by their very nature, require gov’t agents to do their killing for them.

It will be outside the rule of law, but it will be the government being the “trigger man”.


36 posted on 06/01/2009 12:07:50 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: DoughtyOne

You are making an argument with two things that are in no way morally equivilent. Your argument that military recruiting and peforming abortions are morally equivilent is preposterous. You need to rethink this position, you insult all military people and all citizens of this country.


37 posted on 06/01/2009 12:11:42 PM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: MrB

So you’re saying the recruiters were shot by whom? Conservatives? Give your comment a little more thought.

While I agree that the government is leftist right now, and so some of the left’s goals will be carried out by the government, it’s clear the private sector leftists are capable of gunning people down. We just saw one do it.


38 posted on 06/01/2009 12:11:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

No. But with the swearing-in by the Chief Justice Roberts of the non-”Natural Born” usurper Obama — the Rule if Law is comatose.


39 posted on 06/01/2009 12:12:22 PM PDT by bvw
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To: roses of sharon

“Some here on the “right” are still super invested in Hussein,”

Right! I was exchanging with Andy Jackson yesterday who was an Obamachev apologist and, he says, he’s a conservative.

How can that be? What form of contorted, brain cramping, reasoning allows a conservative to support ObaMugabe?

I just figured he’s nuts.


40 posted on 06/01/2009 12:14:02 PM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: central_va
You are making an argument with two things that are in no way morally equivilent. Your argument that military recruiting and peforming abortions are morally equivilent is preposterous. You need to rethink this position, you insult all military people and all citizens of this country.

You just don't get it do you? Whatever your or my opinion about equivalences is, we will not be the only ones sitting as judge and jury, if street justice becomes the norm.

I don't think they are equivalent. So what? The person that gunned those recruiters down, did.

Street justice is NEVER the answer.

41 posted on 06/01/2009 12:15:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m going to step out and say that this incident was perpetrated by a Muslim prison convert. At the very least, it is related to Islam and was done in the name of “Allah”.

What I’m saying is, (in general) you won’t see individual leftists gun people down. The leftist/statist gains power for the very reason of using that government power to exterminate their ideological opponents. This is a deep, essential part of their ideology.


42 posted on 06/01/2009 12:15:59 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: DoughtyOne
We don't agree with late term abortions. They don't agree with recruitment. Each of us thinks the other group approves of terrorist tactics.

I think, though, that if you try to compare US servicemen to abortionists the "moral equivalence" falls apart in a hurry.

43 posted on 06/01/2009 12:16:26 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: bvw

Do you think that justifies street justice? If you do, just be prepared to see someone you love judged and found wanting. Once street justice becomes the norm, all bets are off.


44 posted on 06/01/2009 12:17:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: nickcarraway

I see Andrew Sullivan is stealing comments from FreeRepublic.com again. But, you have to excerpt his comments. How’s that for being fair.


45 posted on 06/01/2009 12:19:06 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Mamzelle
we ought to go into "watch for disruptors pretending to be freepers to make FR look bad" mode

That is a really excellent point, FRiend.

46 posted on 06/01/2009 12:19:22 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: Fido969

Please read this post. Also know that I don’t think your post was worded quite as objectionably as the other poster’s was, so consider it toned down in accordance with your polite disagreement.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2262303/posts?page=41#41


47 posted on 06/01/2009 12:19:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: nickcarraway

Tiller was unsavory. Roeder is, as far as I’m concerned, little if any better.

That said...after his behavior in the last presidential campaign, Andrew Sullivan is really not somebody I care to hear lectures from on civility in politics.


48 posted on 06/01/2009 12:22:13 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Reagan69
Have I missed the outrage over the military recruiter that was just killed in AK?

I'm not trying to be picky BUT AK is Alaska AR is Arkansas. Someone may not understand what you are talking about unless there has been a recruiter drive-by shooting in Alaska too.

49 posted on 06/01/2009 12:22:35 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Winstons Julia
We are a nation of laws

We used to be. Now we're a nation of "feelings".

Those in charge can justify anything they do simply by saying "This is best for the country" or, "We need to do this to protect or help..."

The Federal Government no longer respects State Laws or sovereignty. Individual rights are ignored because of an order from above to sacrifice for the good of the collective. The Constitution may as well no longer exist in a nation where the President can make law and policy through executive order, while no one with authority stands to question it.

I am absolutely horrified at what this nation has become.

The murder yesterday and the murder today at the recruitment center should make every American tremble with fear in that it is only a matter of time before we have lost all respect for the law, for human rights, and for the sanctity of life.

We have lost our soul when we can see fit to justify cold, calculated murder.

50 posted on 06/01/2009 12:25:28 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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