Lutheran (ELCA) Ping!
Glory to the Holy Trinity!
Posted on 06/07/2009 2:56:42 PM PDT by lewisglad
News of Dr. George Tiller's death was only hours old last week when bloggers began asking the question: What kind of church accepts a doctor who performs abortions into its membership?
"I wonder what kind, if any, preaching against sin this church did since Tiller felt welcomed there," opined Blue Collar Todd, who declares on his blog that "liberalism, or sometimes called progressivism, is a false religion that stands in total antithesis to biblical Christianity."
Todd has already made up his mind, and so have others who called or e-mailed me this week to criticize a column I wrote describing the desperate circumstances that brought people to Wichita to obtain late-term abortions.
But I'll take a swing at the pitch anyway.
What kind of church would embrace George Tiller? A church that believes the creator endowed human beings with both conscience and intelligence, to enable us to wrestle with the complicated questions. A church that recognizes that one's relationship with that creator can't be dictated by a central authority, or proscribed by a narrow list of rules.
Tiller's church, Reformation Lutheran in Wichita, Kan., is one that trusts its members with the freedom to decide on matters of conscience. It holds that a choice made for good reasons and in good faith does not separate a human being from God.
Some call this "relativism," and blame it for a decline in morals and corruption of society.
I call it freedom. And, as with the right of a woman to decide on what terms to bring a child into the world, we should be vigilant against anyone or anything that would take it away.
(Excerpt) Read more at voices.kansascity.com ...
Nice straw man.
I was addressing a specific statement by the n00b. I have a specific question in relation to the n00b’s specific statement. I don’t feel like copying and pasting, but at this point, the posts are still there if you’d like to review.
I would have to say the same type of church that embraced Hitler and his like. A church where sin is not preached or that our choices can send us to hell. A church full of greasy grace and no sanctification.
Glory to the Holy Trinity!
“Thou shalt not kill” fits for both the murderer and the abortionist.
I read his post and while Tiller was a Killer, he did not deserve to be assassinated.
Moreover, his question was stupid since no Christian church would condone Tiller being killed.
It’s not so much that they received him, as that they let him remain as he was.
Again, how is that more pertinent? What makes the murder of Tiller more important than the 60,000 murders Tiller bragged about committing?
Hitler thought he had a good reason for killing millions of people. I guess he is with God.
SARCASM OFF!
There, fixed it . . . just in case others didn't get that . . .
The ELCA is a natural fit for him.
I'm not aware of any. Are you?
You'd be wrong. It was ELCA, the "I'm OK, you're OK" organization that mistakes itself for Lutheran.
And they held him up as an example to the rest of the congregation.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A LEFTY TOLD A LEFTY TO TONE IT DOWN?
Agreed. I’m just curious why anyone would think the murder of Tiller is somehow even worse than the 60,000 murders Tiller committed.
Complicated questions? God gave a very simple commandment in the Garden of Eden and man failed the test, egged on by Satan, who always tries to use sophistry, like the defenders of abortion. Similarly, the Pharisees and Sadducees tested Jesus with tricky legalistic questions, and Jesus blew them away by saying there were only 2 commandments: Love God, and love man (since man is made in God's image, the 2nd is really a corollary to the first). Primitive tribesmen, medical science, even abortionists all know that what's in the womb is a human being, and killing it is the taking of innocent life. "You shall not commit murder [i.e. take innocent life]." That's a narrow rule, and it didn't come from any church, but from God himself. He knew what He was doing in making it simple, because he knew sinful man would immediately go looking for loopholes. People can always cook up excuses for sinning, which is what Dr. Tiller's defenders are doing.
This can't be good for the already moribund, kinda, sorta, semi-religious social club. I'm sure they're are quite a few members around the country that were none too pleased to discover who one of their fellow parishioners was. Or maybe anybody prone to that reaction left along time ago; explaining the moribund status.
Because everyone is their own little god.
Not worse, but illegal and for the time being abortion in legal in this country.
And when abortion is made illegal abortionists and the women who seek abortions will be committing a crime.
Perhaps you can find some sympathetic columnist arguing in favor of Churches that admonish “a narrow list of rules” in regards to justifying Roeder's murdering act, post that article and your trollish crap would THEN be pertinent to the actual thread at hand. All you looke like is some attention starved toddler trying to change the subjerct in a much incongruous manner.
In the case of Tiller, Christ gave the rules on how to address unrepentant sinners, likewise to Roeder. Any Church embracing those "unrepentants" as well as excusing their actions are deemed damned (Read the first several Ch. of Revelations.
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