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Still a Boor and a Coward [Victor Davis Hanson on Letterman, Wright + Thoughts on a Creepy Culture]
NRO Corner and PajamasMedia ^ | June 11 and 12, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/12/2009 11:52:42 AM PDT by Tolik

NRO Corner:

A Letterman apologist named Jason Zengerle at the TNR blog claims logic is not my strong suit since I defended Sarah Palin's family and thought Letterman's apology was, well, like most of what he does these days, infantile and cowardly:

I know logic isn't VDH's strong suit, but is it really so hard to believe that the joke Letterman was making about a Palin daughter getting "knocked up" was about the Palin daughter who, you know, got knocked up?

Is that supposed to be funny in a Lettermanesque way? Zengerle apparently cannot follow basic logic, so here it goes: The girl at the game with Governor Palin was not 18-year-old Bristol, but 14-year-old Willow. So logically we are to assume that when Letterman refers to Palin and her daughter at a recent baseball game, he means the actual governor and the actual daughter who actually attended it. 

The intent of Letterman's tripartite sexual reference was to suggest that the Palins were synonymous with female promiscuity. (cf. Letterman's further references to the governor's "slutty" look, and remarks about former governor Eliot Spitzer's interest in a Palin daughter, e.g., the "toughest part" of Palin's visit "was keeping former New York governor Eliot Spitzer away from her daughter.")   

Cf. that logic:

(a) Palin is in N.Y. with her 14-year-old daughter;

(b) former N.Y. governor Spitzer was caught visiting a young prostitute. Ergo . . .

(c) Sarah Palin will naturally have to "keep" a randy Spitzer away from a likewise randy 14-year-old with dug-out propensities.

Zengerle then finishes with "P.S.  VDH says Letterman would never make jokes about the offspring of the Obamas, Kerrys, Bidens, or Gores. Not true." (He then references a Letterman pun to a speeding ticket by the Gore son. Some moral equivalence that — a pun on speeding versus a pun on the statutory rape of a 14-year-old.)

First, Zengerle cannot read. I did not write that Letterman does not generically attack others; rather that in this particular context he would not have used such grotesque references to the children of iconic liberals: "But the reason he picked the Palins, and not the Obamas, Gores, Bidens, or Kerrys, was precisely because he knew it would not equate to his "last show."

Letterman would never make a joke about an underage daughter of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John Kerry, or Al Gore having sex with Alex Rodriguez or Eliot Spitzer. Sorry, he would not. Any idiot knows that.

Letterman offered no apology, but more of his usual postmodern, I'm goofy; feel sorry for me; "got the wrong daughter;" I'm Dave after all junk. The fact remains that in three separate references he slurred the female governor of Alaska and her 14-year-old daughter on a recent visit to his New York. And when he tried to contextualize it, all he did was make it worse by suggesting that he meant instead Governor Palin's 18-year-old daughter, who recently delivered an out-of-wedlock child.

 

So follow the additional sick logic there: Having one illegitimate son naturally implies inherent promiscuity of the sort that would send you down to the dugout to have sex with a baseball player or draw in a frequent patron of prostitutes?

Letterman has devolved into a mean-spirited, demented sort. Good luck to his apologists, like Zengerle, who try to explain what he said was not quite what he said. All they accomplish is to end up as foolish and creepy as Letterman himself.


David Letterman, Rev. Wright, and Thoughts on a Creepy Culture

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/david-letterman-rev-wright/

The Demise of David Letterman

I had a number of exchanges on the Palin-Letterman controversy (see below). Where to start on David Letterman’s attack on Palin on her visit to New York to do charitable work, accompanied by her 14-year-old daughter Willow?

The hypocrisy of the Left that used to monitor slurs about women’s appearances, sick jokes about statutory rape, demonization of women with charges of promiscuity-all this rightly was taboo? But now silence? (But then no one seemed bothered either by the rather shameless instance of plagiarism on the part of Maureen Dowd, the NY Times columnist, who habitually accuses Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld of lying and other moral lapses.)

The metrosexual, hip David Letterman offered an apology I think that essentially was something along the following lines. Here’s my paraphrase: ‘Sorry, I confused the 14-year-old Willow Palin with the 18-year-old Bristol Plain, so I was wrong for suggesting the younger Palin girl would be “knocked up” during a baseball game with Alex Rodriguez, or draw in Eliot Spitzer for sex, when I really meant that Bristol certainly would.” (Note the silence about calling Governor Palin “slutty” looking. So if some right-wing nut says that Michelle Obama is “slutty” looking, are we to expect no consequences?)

Misopalinism

What it is about Sarah Palin that drives the Left insane? Her charisma? Her authentic blue-collar roots? The accent? Todd? The pregnancies? The ability to galvanize crowds. Joe Biden tried to fake his working class origins, but Palin seems to live, not romanticize, the life of the middle strata, so would not the Left appreciate someone from the non-elite?

I suggest two reasons for the fury of the  aristocratic Left. One was Palin’s stance on abortion. In the elite feminist mind, the perfect storm would be for a 40ish career woman, on the upswing of her cursus honorum, getting pregnant and, then, heaven forbid, delivering the child with full fore-knowledge of chromosomal abnormality. Or having her 17-year old come to full term with a child, unmarried, and without money?

The Shadow of Abortion

For most upscale, educated liberals, a daughter’s future career is ruined by pregnancy, and abortion is often the answer. Second, Todd Palin, the Palin accent, the Wasilla connection, the whole notion of Alaska, all this conjured up the elite liberal notion of “trailer trash”-and we all know from Obama’s clingers speech, that the white Christian working class is the last group in America that can be caricatured and slurred with impunity. To the liberal urban elite, poor “whites” are those responsible for racism and other sins associated with the dominant culture, and thus by association taint the white aristocracy unfairly.

Race, again, all the time

I received a lot of angry mail about a recent prediction that the Obama administration would acerbate not diminish racial tensions, by its addiction to identity politics and the constant invocation or racial difference. Nothing since his ascension has disabused me of that observation. Obama himself, in unusual fashion, has given a number of speeches abroad emphasizing his African heritage, his middle name Hussein, and his father’s Muslim’s connection.

We have heard the Attorney General call his countrymen “cowards” for not talking more about racial identity. We have heard our Supreme Court nominee state on repeated occasions that a Latina is intrinsically better at being a judge than a white male counterpart. Now Rev. Wright has reemerged to  suggest that Obama will no longer meet with him because “Them Jews ain’t going to let him talk to me ….”  (a new book about Obama suggests he and Wright met in secret during the campaign after the Wright racist outbursts).

He’s Back

Note as well, that Wright, in his anti-Semitic diatribe, employs the now customary straw men “they”, which we’ve become well accustomed to. (I note here that what was most disturbing about the Letterman Palin jokes and his “apology” was the audience laughing at his crudity-reminiscent of the standing ovations in the Trinity congregation that met Wright’s profanity, racist outburst, and damning of the United States. This country has a long way to go.)

This racialism will continue. Why? Because Obama discovered long ago than racial identification brings as many dividends as does the content of one’s character or achievement. It is a force multiplier and foolishly left untapped. I fear more, not less, of this, as the tab for Obama’s charge-it economy comes due at about the same time dubious players abroad conclude that serial apologies amount to a green light for adventurism. When his popularity dives, I think critics will be seen as biased and prejudicial.

What was ironic about all Wright’s accusations of Obama’s Jewish hypnosis, was that in just the first six months of his administration Obama has proven to be the most anti-Israeli President since the founding of the Jewish state. Wright should be delighted not disappointed; perhaps his unhappiness is the inability to bask publicly in White House visits, rather than ideological discord

Doctor Faustus

(Remember that Obama’s connection with Wright was premeditated: in the Chicago racialist atmosphere, his career was going to be stalled at the state level, since he lacked, as a half-white, half-African Harvard graduate, fides as an authentic African-American from the Chicago neighborhood. Wright gave Obama just that authenticity-the more Wright laced his sermons with racism and hatred, the better Obama might resonate with the community as a Trinity devotee.)

But there is nemesis in the world. And once one makes a pact with Mephistopheles, well, read Marlowe and Goethe. Wright is Obama’s Fury, one of his Keres as it were.

Is there anything that explains all these strange developments? Yes, a postmodern view that the tawdry means justify the utopian ends, that a Letterman is cool and progressive, that a Wright means well in the end, that a Dowd is on the right side of the political attack on the Bush administration-and therefore sexism, racism, and plagiarism are, well, simply alternate narratives rather than violations of absolute norms and protocols.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: davidletterman; letterman; palin; race; racialism; revwright; vdh; victordavishanson
see the first post:

A Boor and a Coward [Victor Davis Hanson tears apart the creep, a.k.a David Letterman]

1 posted on 06/12/2009 11:52:43 AM PDT by Tolik
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index:
Just Make Stuff Up. President Obama’s war on the truth
A Boor and a Coward [Victor Davis Hanson tears apart the creep, a.k.a David Letterman]
Our Historically Challenged President. A list of distortions
I No Longer Quite Believe ... [Victor Davis Hanson on Orwellian media & science, race relations]
It's Better When You Wake Up Body-Snatched . . .
The Reckoning. Obama Versus the Way of the Universe
The Age of Middle East Atonement. Therapeutic efforts to disguise the truth never really work
Is It Going to Be Race and Resentment — All the Time?
Multiculturalism Trumps Freedom?
Sotomayor’s Mistake. The diversity mess
The Affirmative-Action Aristocracy?
Lost in the Labyrinth of Race
Israel’s Cuban Missile Crisis - All the Time ... if Iran gets the bomb
Ministers of Truth
Euroamericans?
Is America Premodern or Postmodern?
President Palin’s First 100 Days. Imagine if Sarah Palin had Obama’s record
Cracks in the Facade. Fissures in the Obama Totem
Why Did Republicans Lose Their Appeal? And how can they get it back?
Americans Want It Both Ways Our Have-It-Both-Ways Generation
Our Jekyll and Hyde President. More radical than Jimmy Carter v smoother centrist than Bill Clinton?
Crazy Times — Crazier Times to Follow - when nonsense is passed off as wisdom
Confessions of a Contrarian [deconstructing Obama, the Left and more]
 President Obama’s First 70 Days. It really does all make sense
Thoughts About Depressed Americans
Bush Did It. What a difference an election makes [Brilliant Parody]
 Our Battered American [gets angrier - Must Read Rant]
Just a partial list. More at the link:  http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index
2 posted on 06/12/2009 11:53:13 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; SJackson; dennisw; kellynla; monkeyshine; Alouette; nopardons; ...


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3 posted on 06/12/2009 11:54:03 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Even making a reference to the older daughter’s pregnancy is in really poor taste. Letterman needs to be fired.


4 posted on 06/12/2009 11:56:39 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Tolik
As always the left thinks rape and child sexual abuse is funny (or titillating, I cannot decide).
5 posted on 06/12/2009 11:57:29 AM PDT by svcw
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To: Tolik

Maybe Letterman’s kidneys will fail. (referencing another instance of liberal “humor”)


6 posted on 06/12/2009 12:00:54 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Tolik

search..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2270498/posts


7 posted on 06/12/2009 12:02:41 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: svcw

It’s more that they think trashing Palin is good and deserves approval. It’s WHO he was trashing because if the same exact words were said against a lib that wouldn’t think it was funny. They are hypocrites, as we know, and letterman is a perverted highy paid pawn.


8 posted on 06/12/2009 12:03:38 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Tolik
with 'props'/acknowledgement to FReeper 'raccoonradio'

The Hate Show
...With...
David Bitterman

9 posted on 06/12/2009 12:04:15 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: lilylangtree

Well, he should be fired, or at least apologize, but instead CBS extended his contract through 2012.

Rewarded.

not punished or reprimanded in any way.

This entire world is upside down.


10 posted on 06/12/2009 12:05:24 PM PDT by Clarence (back to lurking now...)
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To: SpaceBar

What I find equally disturbing is the termed “knocked up.” You would never find a liberal using that term in any other situation than against a Republican woman. Women traveling to Kansas to get a late term abortion are exercising their choice after an unwanted pregnancy. Governor Palin’s daughter on the other hand got “knocked up.”

What hypocrites!


11 posted on 06/12/2009 12:06:18 PM PDT by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

Priceless!


12 posted on 06/12/2009 12:06:21 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: SpaceBar

Nah, knowing he has a weak ticker I’d go with a heart attack.

C’mon, lefties, it’s just a joke! Unwad your panties.


13 posted on 06/12/2009 12:06:51 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Whoever coined the term "foolproof" underestimated the ingenuity and determination of fools.)
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To: lilylangtree

Letterman deserves a fat lip, a bloody nose and a few loose teeth.

He’s a sissy boy coward.


14 posted on 06/12/2009 12:19:05 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: Tolik

Letterman has become a stupid pet trick. I’ll get my comedy from the free media.


15 posted on 06/12/2009 12:21:52 PM PDT by pallis
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To: lilylangtree
Not only fired, but FINED by FCC and be forced to undergo sensitivity training.

Hell, Imus had to do it, and his joke--as disgusting as it was--was not written and approved of ahead of time.

16 posted on 06/12/2009 12:24:13 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: Tolik
Letterman would never make a joke about an underage daughter of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John Kerry, or Al Gore having sex with Alex Rodriguez or Eliot Spitzer. Sorry, he would not. Any idiot knows that.

But a liberal, apparently, does not.

17 posted on 06/12/2009 12:25:59 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Have you risen above your own public education today?)
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To: Tolik
Letterman has devolved into a mean-spirited, demented sort.

I think Letterman is using his barnyard "humor" to feed into the polarized society. The comments on the yahoo website regarding this issue are close to 50/50 with many people saying that it is Palin who is trying to advance her celebrity by overreacting to Letterman's "edgy" jokes.

These same people would be outraged if the situation was reversed. Letterman is not a fool, he is just burnishing his naughty boy image and the left loves it.

We are the foolish ones for thinking that appealing to decency and fair play means anything to the "progressives". They think abortion on demand is a right for God sake. Why are we trying to appeal to their sense of decency?

18 posted on 06/12/2009 12:29:41 PM PDT by oldbrowser (This is not an administration, it's a crime syndicate.)
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To: nj patriot
What I find equally disturbing is the termed “knocked up.”

And what is doubly amazing is that Lettermen "knocked up" the mother of his son and didn't feel the need to marry her until last year (I believe) when the child was already 4 or 5 years old.

The level of hypocrisy is astounding.

19 posted on 06/12/2009 12:33:54 PM PDT by carolinablonde ("The Constitution protects all of us, not just those on the left." - Gov. Sarah Palin)
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To: Tolik
So follow the additional sick logic there: Having one illegitimate son naturally implies inherent promiscuity of the sort that would send you down to the dugout to have sex with a baseball player or draw in a frequent patron of prostitutes?

Letterman, the father of an illegitimate son himself, may well partake of the prostitutes, I mean, have you seen his wife?

20 posted on 06/12/2009 12:37:52 PM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: Tolik
So if some right-wing nut says that Michelle Obama is “slutty” looking, are we to expect no consequences?)

No chance of that!

Michelle is too porky and scowls too much to ever be described as "slutty"..

21 posted on 06/12/2009 12:41:02 PM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: Tolik
I suggest two reasons for the fury of the aristocratic Left. One was Palin’s stance on abortion. In the elite feminist mind, the perfect storm would be for a 40ish career woman, on the upswing of her cursus honorum, getting pregnant and, then, heaven forbid, delivering the child with full fore-knowledge of chromosomal abnormality. Or having her 17-year old come to full term with a child, unmarried, and without money?

This is why they hate Sarah with such passion. It's satanic.

22 posted on 06/12/2009 12:59:13 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: carolinablonde

Only Republican women get “knocked up.” However anyone I know would have to be “knocked out” to have sex with that John Belushi look-alike that Letterman had that mercy hump with.
I am not sure which one of those two was showing mercy but it would make an unwatchable scene.


23 posted on 06/12/2009 1:06:06 PM PDT by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers; SpaceBar
Nah, knowing he has a weak ticker I’d go with a heart attack.

Yes, Dave has a ticker problem, not a kidney problem. I think the liberal advice is for the baby-mama to feed the baby-daddy lots of eggs and butter.

24 posted on 06/12/2009 1:08:00 PM PDT by Free State Four
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To: lilylangtree

The older daughter is ONLY 18. Not even out of her teens. My goodness she may be old enough to vote, but she is still not old enough to order an alcoholic beverage in a restaurant. This is just so sickening. Destroy not only Sarah Palin but her children as well. What next? How low will Conservatives allow this type of Liberal Compassion to go?


25 posted on 06/12/2009 1:31:19 PM PDT by navymom1 (Save Free Speech, defeat the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Tolik
Hey Letterman, here's a joke you can tell:

Nancy Reagan called up John Hinkley, the guy who tried to assassinate her husband. She asked how he was doing and said she heard he was going to be released. He said he was doing as well as could be expected and yes he was planning on being released. Nancy said, "Well that's nice, but I need to let you know, that David Letterman is dating Jody Foster."

26 posted on 06/12/2009 1:47:14 PM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: oldbrowser
We are the foolish ones for thinking that appealing to decency and fair play means anything to the "progressives". They think abortion on demand is a right for God sake. Why are we trying to appeal to their sense of decency?

This is the Republican/Conservative blind spot. Many just don't seem to understand the Left's motto: "By any means necessary."

27 posted on 06/12/2009 1:49:38 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: navymom1

What aggravates me is that he’s remarked that the mom is slutty so he believes therefore the daughters (doesn’t matter which teen he was referring to) are slutty, without morals. And that if either were raped by this horndog Alex Rodriquez then nobody cares because he’s stereotyped all into one category. This is one big baldface lying racist statement. We know lumpy letterman for what he truly is. And CBS rewards this horrible creature. Both ganglion (BTW my son had one of these and a ganglion is truly ugly cyst) letterman & CBS should be put out of business. I’m so angry over this.


28 posted on 06/12/2009 2:10:52 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: lilylangtree

Letterman needs to be ignored.

Who’s on Conan’s show tonight?


29 posted on 06/12/2009 2:25:35 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (America is the best -- 20 million illegal immigrants can't be wrong.)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 06/12/2009 3:02:40 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Any 'jokes' about raping my 14-year-old are despicable." - Todd Palin)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Watch Craig Furgeson...he’s funny, and I think he leans right.


31 posted on 06/12/2009 3:06:06 PM PDT by bannie
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To: bannie

I’ve seen him. He’s pretty funny, but his monologues tend to ramble on a bit for my tastes.

He doesn’t lean very far right. I’ve heard him make some statements the ACLU would love.

Plus, doesn’t he come on AFTER Letterman? Too late for me.


32 posted on 06/12/2009 4:09:57 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (America is the best -- 20 million illegal immigrants can't be wrong.)
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To: All; Tolik

Related thread:

Letterman is the right’s new public enemy (RINOs advising us not to get mad)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2270662/posts

See post #91 for Letterman’s sponsors contact information..


33 posted on 06/12/2009 4:18:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I tvo the fellow. He does ramble, but he's so cute when he does it.
:-)
34 posted on 06/12/2009 5:16:51 PM PDT by bannie
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To: lilylangtree; All

I just found out that the Olive Garden restaurant is also an advertise of David Letterman. This is for those who have decided to no longer do business with Mr. Letterman’s advertisers.

What a sad state we are living in.


35 posted on 06/12/2009 5:46:46 PM PDT by navymom1 (Save Free Speech, defeat the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Tolik

The intent of Letterman’s tripartite sexual reference was to suggest that the Palins were synonymous with female promiscuity. (cf. Letterman’s further references to the governor’s “slutty” look, and remarks about former governor Eliot Spitzer’s interest in a Palin daughter, e.g., the “toughest part” of Palin’s visit “was keeping former New York governor Eliot Spitzer away from her daughter.”)

Cf. that logic:

(a) Palin is in N.Y. with her 14-year-old daughter;

(b) former N.Y. governor Spitzer was caught visiting a young prostitute. Ergo . . .

(c) Sarah Palin will naturally have to “keep” a randy Spitzer away from a likewise randy 14-year-old with dug-out propensities.

Great post, Tolik.


36 posted on 06/12/2009 7:37:07 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Any 'jokes' about raping my 14-year-old are despicable." - Todd Palin)
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To: All

What I found amazing is how Letterman can characterize Palin’s appearance to be that of a “slutty flight attendant”.

I’ve flown a lot and truth be told, I can’t say that I’ve ever seen a “slutty flight attendant”. There’s nothing about Palin’s physical appearance that says “slutty” at all.

I suspect that Letterman only wishes he were married to someone as attractive as Palin is - rather than his current wife.

P.S. If anyone can describe to me what a “slutty flight atendant” looks like, I’d like to hear it!


37 posted on 06/12/2009 8:47:52 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Harley

LOL Post 26.


38 posted on 06/12/2009 9:57:25 PM PDT by Ciexyz (I heard Joe the Plumber speak 03-30-2009.)
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To: Tolik
"For most upscale, educated liberals, a daughter’s future career is ruined by pregnancy, "

Meanwhile, those same "upscale, educated liberals" have advocated and provided a monthly "per child" stipend for every liberal woman who makes a lifestyle out of squirting out one kid after another for taxpayers to support from cradle to grave on welfare.

How about their "future careers"?

For a time, only elected officials adopted the attitude of "do as I say, not as I do"...now, anyone who calls themselves "democrat", "liberal", or "progressive", thinks they yield the same power over the rest of us.
39 posted on 06/12/2009 11:05:58 PM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity (bailout) we receive...think about it.)
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I believe that Letterman’s company “World Wide Pants” owns Craig Ferguson’s show.


40 posted on 06/14/2009 4:21:55 PM PDT by Jenny217
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