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Forbidden Arkeology: "The Riddle Of Ararat"
Fortean Times ^ | By Robin Simmons

Posted on 06/13/2009 3:58:37 AM PDT by Fennie

There's a well-known account of ten year old Georgie Hagopian, who saw Noah's Ark while climbing Ararat with his uncle in 1904. The date isn't precise but this was around the time my grandfather was in the region and heard convincing stories of the Ark, preserved in ice and snow, still occasionally visible.

My grandfather died in 1980, aged 106. As a boy, I listened to his adventures as a doctor in Eastern Turkey and Russia between 1904 and 1910. He worked in the very shadow of Greater Ararat - the legendary Biblical landing place of Noah's ship.

My grandfather said some of the Kurds and Armenians he treated confided that the great Ark was preserved on Ararat. They said, it's "high on the northern side, a little below the saddle" of the twin-peaked dormant volcano.

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1 posted on 06/13/2009 3:58:37 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Ahh, wouldn’t the evolutionists just love it if the ark were found?


2 posted on 06/13/2009 4:19:06 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: RoadTest

Localized flood. Nothing to see here - just old rotten wood. Move along now.


3 posted on 06/13/2009 4:20:43 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Palin/Bachman 2012: Conservative Viagra)
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To: Fennie

Pure Rubbish.

Noah’s Ark

Muzzie Traditions about the Ark

WWII tales

SR71 Blackbird Flights

Nephilim- daughters of man

deception of the Antichrist that precedes the Second Coming


4 posted on 06/13/2009 4:22:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Fennie; All

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark.htm
Apparently there is a government park in Turkey that has been declared the site of the Ark of Noah.


5 posted on 06/13/2009 4:43:50 AM PDT by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Many cultures around the world have tales of the flood. People have seen Noah’s Ark and it does not look like the Sunday School pictures of boats with animals in them.

The ark is a type of Christ. Those in Him will escape God’s righteous wrath to be poured out on this earth as the flood was. Only eight people survived the worldwide flood.

They asked Jesus if many would be saved. His answer was, “Enter ye in at the strait (narrow) gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:13)

Eight people out of the whole world.


6 posted on 06/13/2009 4:47:11 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: RoadTest

Got ya. Just satire.


7 posted on 06/13/2009 5:14:06 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Palin/Bachman 2012: Conservative Viagra)
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To: RoadTest
Only eight people survived the worldwide flood.

Just keep in mind that the Bible was written in a way to be understood by the largest number of people at the time who could read.....there are many who believe that the literal translation is not always the factual translation.

That is not a means of demeaning the Bible. It is a means of understanding it and explaining the science of it.

The worldwide flood was most likely a massive regional flood beyond which there was no exploration at the time....hence, it was THEIR world that was flooded.

8 posted on 06/13/2009 5:15:03 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Fennie

And in the HOLD of the ship is.....the Ark of the Covenant!


9 posted on 06/13/2009 5:18:19 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I suspected that. I was going to answer you with satire but I had something more important to say.


10 posted on 06/13/2009 5:25:55 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Well considering the latest interglacial (when the ice sheets started to retreat) period started just 11,000 years ago, it’s not surprising that many cultures have flood stories.

When the ice melted, the sea level rose, and coastal cultures around the world would have been affected. The Bering Strait flooded, the Black sea flooded, numerous islands sank beneath the ocean...


11 posted on 06/13/2009 5:43:22 AM PDT by Raymann
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To: Fennie

But the Bible says nothing of Mount Ararat.

KJV Gen 8:4 And the ark rested() in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

The Mountains of Ararat are the region of Eastern Turkey that is north of Mesopotamia.

Tradition puts the Ark on top of the Mountain. The Bible does not.


12 posted on 06/13/2009 5:46:01 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Conan the Librarian
Tradition puts the Ark on top of the Mountain. The Bible does not.

I recalled a song Tennessee Ernie Ford this and a search revealed that the Statler Brothers also sang:

Well the ark rose up on the foot of the deep
And after 40 days Mr.Noah took a peek said
We ain't movin' Lord where are we at
The Lord said you're sittin' on a mount Ararat.

13 posted on 06/13/2009 5:51:14 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private FC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC - Lnc Crprl -6/4/09 - 29 Palms, CA)
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To: Raymann
Well considering the latest interglacial (when the ice sheets started to retreat) period started just 11,000 years ago, it’s not surprising that many cultures have flood stories.

Yes, it is theorized that the central US was a low ocean, held back by a glacial wall in the rockies. When that broke, the water flowed out to sea.

You are correct, all we have is theory, stories and a few scientists' models....and we all know how reliable those are!

14 posted on 06/13/2009 5:52:56 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Just keep in mind that the Bible was written in a way to be understood by the largest number of people at the time who could read.....there are many who believe that the literal translation is not always the factual translation.”

Yes...the allegorical hermeneutic view.

What historical matters written of in the OT have been 100% disproven?


15 posted on 06/13/2009 6:11:39 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: Fennie

Mount Ararat from Yerevan, Armenia. The mountain is the national symbol of Armenia although it is now located in Turkey.

16 posted on 06/13/2009 6:20:10 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: woollyone
What historical matters written of in the OT have been 100% disproven?

First, lose the attitude if you want a discussion.

Second, I never said anything about disproving the Bible. I am talking about its literal versus figurative meaning.

Bread and Wine are not actually the body and blood of Christ. Jesus was not talking about feeding hunger with bread and blood, but feeding the spirit.

Can figurative interpretation be taken too far? Yes! It can be used to either dimiss the entire Bible and its teachings or used to selectively interpret God's will to suit one's preferences.

However, literal interpretation misses the message God is communicating to us. Figurative teaching is a method used in the Bible to convey meaning, and it is not meant to diminish that meaning in any way.

17 posted on 06/13/2009 6:48:39 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Fennie
A view of Ararat from The city of Igdir in Turkey:


18 posted on 06/13/2009 8:49:38 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: a_Turk

— Latest Photos Of The REAL Noah’s Ark —

http://www.666soon.com/search_for_noah.htm


19 posted on 06/13/2009 9:56:10 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Hard to imagine that the flood level was 13,300 feet above sea level at the time...


20 posted on 06/13/2009 11:27:56 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: Erik Latranyi

lose the attitude? your skin is too thin for dialog. Have a nice day.


21 posted on 06/13/2009 5:16:08 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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22 posted on 06/13/2009 6:23:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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23 posted on 06/13/2009 6:23:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: RoadTest

> Ahh, wouldn’t the evolutionists just love it if the ark were found?

Speaking as an Evolutionist who also believes in Creation, I would be fascinated.


24 posted on 06/13/2009 6:58:06 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Fennie; Alamo-Girl; airborne; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; backhoe; ...
GREAT ARTICLE WITH LOTS OF NEW INFO, TO ME . . . From:

http://www.s8int.com/noahsark10.html

An Old Testament professor at a respected liberal arts university once reminded me of the Gospel's warning - "As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man." The text's true meaning, he said, a reminder that when the 'sons of God' (the fallen angels in Genesis 6) again breed with the 'daughters of man', the great deception of the Antichrist that precedes the Second Coming is imminent. This puts so-called alien abductions in a whole new light.

The same scholar asked me: "What would happen if the Ark were conclusively proved to be preserved in the ice of Ararat and then it became apparent that it had been looted by the West? And further, that it was a long-known secret kept by the powers that be? That this sacred mountain and its treasure had been profaned by the 'great Satan' (America)?"

He went on: "And what if the Ark were revealed to be on Ararat and not on Al Cudi, as some translations of the Koran say? Would that further aggravate the situation by making it appear that Mohammed was a liar?"

The idea of the great Ark of Noah actually existing - to say nothing of being preserved into our day - goes against consensus academic and scientific opinion. However, as every fortean knows, geologic anomalies abound that challenge standard models of slow, uniform changes over millenia.

Colonel James Irwin, the late moon-walking Apollo astronaut, apparently had access to information not generally available. He made several high altitude explorations of Ararat. He told me he thought the preponderance of evidence indicated there was something ancient and meaningful hidden on the heights of Ararat. Something that would affect the way all mankind relates to each other -- and the Creator.

THANKS

25 posted on 06/13/2009 7:37:48 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 2harddrive

Uhhhh . . . no.


26 posted on 06/13/2009 7:39:44 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Texas Fossil

Your post seems to be Too cryptic to get your points.


27 posted on 06/13/2009 7:40:59 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Fennie

VERY interesting and fascinating.


28 posted on 06/13/2009 8:04:23 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: All

OK Imagine you are Noah et al after what they went through. You now need fuel and shelter on a planet that was completely deluged. What do you use?
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It would be awesome if it was found, but I tend to think it was then used for firewood and tent poles...


29 posted on 06/13/2009 8:06:34 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: a_Turk
Hard to imagine that the flood level was 13,300 feet above sea level at the time...

Actually the Ark would have been at sea level, at the time it 'docked'.
With respect to the topology and terrain -- the idea is that it was a lot more turbulent in its changes in the years following the Flood, than it is today.

30 posted on 06/13/2009 8:50:15 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 06/13/2009 9:36:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Conan the Librarian

I also draw a distinction between the mountains of Ararat versus Mount Ararat.

I assume that he would have gone aground somewhere in northern Turkey or Georgia if he was coming from the Black Sea, or somewhere in Kurdestan if he was coming from the Persian Gulf area. I also assume the ark was broken up for timbers or simply rotted away centuries ago.

So, if they really did find it up on the side of a 13000 foot mountain, it would certainly get my attention.


32 posted on 06/13/2009 11:14:21 PM PDT by marron
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To: Erik Latranyi

FIrst, lose the “everyone has an attitude if they disagree with me” attitude

Then, start recognizing that similie and metaphor have their places, but when the words like or as are not used, just because you find the passage difficult to accept due to your preconceptions, that does not make the Bible figurative

It just means you choose to not believe what it plainly says.


33 posted on 06/14/2009 5:51:31 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Yes!

When God was talking literally He made it pretty obvious. The Bible gives the story of Noah as an account of history, not a parable, although it is a type of being saved in Christ.

You are right in saying the so-called “eucharist” is not literal food. He said “Do this in remebrance of me”, not cannibalising me.

In the O.T. He said about the lamb in Exodus 12:11: “It is the Lord’s passover” This is not any more or less literal than “This is my body”, in which case He was talking about the group of gathered believers, which is the body of Christ.

The Bible is full of the literal and the figurative, and prayerful reading and study clarify the confusion. A


34 posted on 06/14/2009 6:07:48 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: RoadTest
The Bible is full of the literal and the figurative, and prayerful reading and study clarify the confusion.

Absolutely! Those that go for all figurative or all literal miss quite a bit.

35 posted on 06/14/2009 6:46:38 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: RaceBannon
Then, start recognizing that similie and metaphor have their places, but when the words like or as are not used, just because you find the passage difficult to accept due to your preconceptions, that does not make the Bible figurative.

Can you re-write this please? I do not understand.

36 posted on 06/14/2009 6:48:01 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

that means some people place an immediate thought that what they read is not literal, but metaphor or analogy

99% of the time, it aint

Unless the Bible is clearly saying an anology or similie or metaphor, it is real and literal

Just because it sounds fantastic or too hard to be actually accomplished by mortal man does not make it symbolical


37 posted on 06/14/2009 7:03:51 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: wideminded

Ararat was part of Armenia for thousands of years and will be again when the Muslim Turks are sent packing.


38 posted on 06/14/2009 7:18:53 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: SunkenCiv

On the 2nd December 2002 Claudio Schranz has been able to film clearly a beam of Noah’s Ark protruding out of the ice on Mount Ararat. It was found at 4000m between the beginning of the Parrot glacier.

Discovery Wooden Beam — http://www.noahs.it/Discovery%20Wooden%20Beam.htm


39 posted on 06/14/2009 7:48:04 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.noahsark.it/Discovery%20Wooden%20Beam.htm


40 posted on 06/14/2009 7:51:27 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Now you know why the Ark of Noah is

“A TICKING TIME BOMB”

There’s is another bomb in Jerusalem;

The Temple Mountain


41 posted on 06/14/2009 8:47:28 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: marron

Thank you!

Someone who has read the Bible!

With all the trees soaked by water, the ark would be a GREAT source of wood for rebuilding society.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 10:48:46 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Quix

I simply put up my skeptical filter when I saw such a string of unlikely related snippets put together. The discussion was not coherent, tied together, or logical.

Does that mean the I do not think some of the subjects are worth examining, No.

But it did mean that I found the site vague, disjointed, and trying to tie together things in a manner that my BS filter rejected.

Respectfully,

Texas Fossil


43 posted on 06/14/2009 11:29:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"there are many who believe that the literal translation is not always the factual translation."

Grasping at straws!

Massive global evidence says global destruction, and flood in a loud voice. A local flood would not fit the undeniable world wide evidence. The very existance of the broken-up continents cannot be explaned without a global event. The existance of deep oceans requires the changes and events described in the Bible.

44 posted on 06/14/2009 11:43:11 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Texas Fossil
I did also. Actually took the time to read the whole thing and understand the cogent points.
45 posted on 06/14/2009 11:44:31 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: Fennie

bad link.


46 posted on 06/14/2009 11:46:06 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: El Cid; a_Turk
"Hard to imagine that the flood level was 13,300 feet above sea level at the time"

Really a strawman.

Pre-flood, there were no great mountains, and the world had been one single continent, with a broad, shallow ocean of essentially fresh water.

47 posted on 06/14/2009 11:47:35 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Fennie

Thanks Fennie.


48 posted on 06/14/2009 5:20:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: editor-surveyor

Do you mean 2-3 million years ago?


49 posted on 06/15/2009 4:59:48 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: a_Turk

No, I don’t need that fantasy stuff; the real thing suits me fine.


50 posted on 06/15/2009 7:53:26 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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